Lord Duckhunter Posted 13 December, 2023 Share Posted 13 December, 2023 (edited) Probably? No doubt, he’ll start. Edited 13 December, 2023 by Lord Duckhunter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry_SFC Posted 13 December, 2023 Share Posted 13 December, 2023 He's Martins mate. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Bateman Posted 13 December, 2023 Share Posted 13 December, 2023 10 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said: Horrible performance. Probably starts at the weekend He was so bad. What did Bree do wrong?? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted 13 December, 2023 Share Posted 13 December, 2023 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 13 December, 2023 Share Posted 13 December, 2023 12 minutes ago, Patrick Bateman said: He was so bad. What did Bree do wrong?? Wouldn’t drink the Kool-Aid 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notnowcato Posted 13 December, 2023 Share Posted 13 December, 2023 Got the assist 🤣🤣 He probably does start as I think KWP has a knock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfc4prem Posted 13 December, 2023 Share Posted 13 December, 2023 The guy is a complete waste of a shirt. Fucking acts as if he's playing 5 a side with some mates. Always in no man's land. Always making stupid fucking mistakes. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niceandfriendly Posted 15 December, 2023 Share Posted 15 December, 2023 Can't believe Bree lost his place. Shows that Martin will pick his mates ahead of players doing well. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdmickey3 Posted 15 December, 2023 Share Posted 15 December, 2023 Manning is utterly useless 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 15 December, 2023 Share Posted 15 December, 2023 I find it hard to believe that we supposedly beat some premiere league teams to his signature. From what I've seen, he's had one decent game for us and been woeful for the most part. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex Lion Tamer Posted 15 December, 2023 Share Posted 15 December, 2023 (edited) 14 hours ago, niceandfriendly said: Can't believe Bree lost his place. Shows that Martin will pick his mates ahead of players doing well. I think Bree should play but the reason Martin plays Manning is he wants more attacking penetration - that thing that everyone here claims they want rather than tippy tappy passing Edited 15 December, 2023 by Ex Lion Tamer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maggie May Posted 15 December, 2023 Share Posted 15 December, 2023 He’s going to have a blinder tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maggie May Posted 15 December, 2023 Share Posted 15 December, 2023 Is he better than Patrick Colleter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maggie May Posted 15 December, 2023 Share Posted 15 December, 2023 Just now, Maggie May said: Is he better than Patrick Colleter? He’s incredibly coaching Cristiano Ronaldo and Sadio Mane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 15 December, 2023 Share Posted 15 December, 2023 On 13/12/2023 at 22:20, notnowcato said: Got the assist 🤣🤣 He probably does start as I think KWP has a knock. I thought he had, but it was S Armstrong to Fraser who crossed short, flicked on by A Armstrong and finished by Edozie. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Munster Posted 16 December, 2023 Share Posted 16 December, 2023 4 hours ago, Ex Lion Tamer said: I think Bree should play but the reason Martin plays Manning is he wants more attacking penetration - that thing that everyone here claims they want rather than tippy tappy passing In fairness, that part is working. For the other team. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 16 December, 2023 Share Posted 16 December, 2023 It’s not just the fact that Manning has a number deficiencies - the back four are left completely unbalanced when he’s in the side. KWP and Bree execute RM’s system far more intelligently than Manning, who seems to think going on walk-about and then giving the ball away is a smart move. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 16 December, 2023 Share Posted 16 December, 2023 He has the unerring ability to accurately pass the ball to the opposition on a regular basis. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexLaw76 Posted 16 December, 2023 Share Posted 16 December, 2023 This season’s version of Jermaine Wright. almost undroppable 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintNewForest Posted 16 December, 2023 Share Posted 16 December, 2023 13 hours ago, Ex Lion Tamer said: I think Bree should play but the reason Martin plays Manning is he wants more attacking penetration - that thing that everyone here claims they want rather than tippy tappy passing I'm quite old fashioned, but I'd rather a full back could defend first and foremost before adding an attacking threat. I know that's quite unfashionable and out of date these days, mind. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 16 December, 2023 Share Posted 16 December, 2023 2 hours ago, SaintNewForest said: I'm quite old fashioned, but I'd rather a full back could defend first and foremost before adding an attacking threat. I know that's quite unfashionable and out of date these days, mind. I don't give a damn whether he is really a pretty poor attacker or midfielder he is primarily a defender and a piss poor one at that. Even worse he gives the ball away when under no pressure and gets caught in possession. His biggest weakness is he's unable to use his right foot probably because he doesn't trust himself. He is so one footed he is predictable therefore easy to catch on the ball. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 16 December, 2023 Share Posted 16 December, 2023 We always need a whipping boy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 16 December, 2023 Share Posted 16 December, 2023 10 minutes ago, derry said: I don't give a damn whether he is really a pretty poor attacker or midfielder he is primarily a defender and a piss poor one at that. Even worse he gives the ball away when under no pressure and gets caught in possession. His biggest weakness is he's unable to use his right foot probably because he doesn't trust himself. He is so one footed he is predictable therefore easy to catch on the ball. Added to that he ignores his winger and sits in midfield bang on the centre line. The opposition has all the time in the world to get the ball out wide and out in a measured cross. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 16 December, 2023 Share Posted 16 December, 2023 50 minutes ago, OldNick said: We always need a whipping boy. And this one rightly so. I literally worry every time he goes anywhere near the ball. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toussaint Posted 16 December, 2023 Share Posted 16 December, 2023 1 hour ago, OldNick said: We always need a whipping boy. In his case I don’t think it’s personal in the way it is with some players. You can’t criticise his commitment or application. I think people are genuinely perplexed as to why we bought him and why he gets picked over a better all round player. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 16 December, 2023 Share Posted 16 December, 2023 6 minutes ago, Toussaint said: In his case I don’t think it’s personal in the way it is with some players. You can’t criticise his commitment or application. I think people are genuinely perplexed as to why we bought him and why he gets picked over a better all round player. Is that the James Bree who should never wear a Saints shirt again, said by many on here 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Wolf Posted 16 December, 2023 Author Share Posted 16 December, 2023 1 hour ago, OldNick said: We always need a whipping boy. We also need someone who's every bit as bad as the whipping boy but gets away with it - This season it's Alcaraz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Wolf Posted 16 December, 2023 Author Share Posted 16 December, 2023 4 minutes ago, OldNick said: Is that the James Bree who should never wear a Saints shirt again, said by many on here Shows you how fickle football fans are. Remember a few months ago when Bree was being called a pointless Jones signing and is League Two standard? Yet if he leaves in Jan, it'll be the same people crying about there being "No loyalty in football anymore" and "Footballers should see out their contracts, we gave him a chance!!" Not sure I've ever seen Bree have a bad game for us, even in the PL his few appearances were 6/10 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 16 December, 2023 Share Posted 16 December, 2023 8 minutes ago, OldNick said: Is that the James Bree who should never wear a Saints shirt again, said by many on here Not me sir. I’ve always thought he looked like proper footballer. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toussaint Posted 16 December, 2023 Share Posted 16 December, 2023 23 minutes ago, OldNick said: Is that the James Bree who should never wear a Saints shirt again, said by many on here Not by me, he was unfortunate by association with Nathan Jones. He has also done well when called on this season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 16 December, 2023 Share Posted 16 December, 2023 1 hour ago, Toussaint said: Not by me, he was unfortunate by association with Nathan Jones. He has also done well when called on this season. Exactly this. He was being played at RB ahead of KWP so Jones could shoe-horn him in - made no sense. To his credit he has done a really good job at LB…arguably better showings than when he played RB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
64saint Posted 16 December, 2023 Share Posted 16 December, 2023 2 hours ago, OldNick said: Is that the James Bree who should never wear a Saints shirt again, said by many on here We could put a half decent team together of players who should never wear a Saints shirt again , all who have been given that honour on here in the last year !!!! . Bazzuna, Bree, Stephens, Bedanrk, Manning, Adam Armstrong, Smallbones, Charles, Aribo, Adams, Mara. ( To name but a few 😉). Substitutes: to many to mention 😂😂 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 16 December, 2023 Share Posted 16 December, 2023 2 hours ago, Whitey Grandad said: Not me sir. I’ve always thought he looked like proper footballer. Bit of the Danny Butterfield about him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gio1saints Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 (edited) Interesting Echo article on him today. I had not remembered his goal or assist stats from Swansea last year but if the last two games chance output is a thing to go by he may just lose his scoring Cherry very soon ( hopefully!) I’m not sure if by “chances” they mean shots on target or merely shots- but, on average this season, saints would have scored at least one goal from 9 shots and 3 goals if those 9 shots were on target. So, Ryan, and Saints, are rather unfortunate to not have an assist or two more to his name from last two matches. From the Daily Echo: He notched five goals and provided ten assists in a Swansea shirt last season, but has only managed to make two assists so far at Southampton. Across his last two appearances, Manning has created nine chances (four against Plymouth and five against Norwich City) - the most of any player. Edited January 5 by gio1saints Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 Unfortunately he can't defend. If we keep leaving chasms like we did against Norwich, the odd assist will not be worth the trade off. Bree for me every time because he knows how to defend which is the foundation of any promotion chasing team. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niceandfriendly Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 Can't stand watching Manning. We're so enjoyable to watch at the moment which makes it extra frustrating that we have such a weak link at left back. His passing is frighteningly bad. How is Bree not starting ahead of him? 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 2 minutes ago, niceandfriendly said: Can't stand watching Manning. We're so enjoyable to watch at the moment which makes it extra frustrating that we have such a weak link at left back. His passing is frighteningly bad. How is Bree not starting ahead of him? Because Bree is injured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niceandfriendly Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 Just now, Chewy said: Because Bree is injured. Ah ok I didn't know that cheers. Although pretty sure Manning started over Bree recently when Bree wasn't injured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pamplemousse Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 He isn't as bad as people make out, I just think because KWP is levels ahead of him (and most other full backs in the league) it stands out a bit more when he makes a mistake. If we do get promoted, we will definitely need a new left back though. I remember Danny Fox in the Prem... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 18 minutes ago, Pamplemousse said: He isn't as bad as people make out, I just think because KWP is levels ahead of him (and most other full backs in the league) it stands out a bit more when he makes a mistake. If we do get promoted, we will definitely need a new left back though. I remember Danny Fox in the Prem... That’s part of the problem though…it unbalances the defence. He interprets RM-ball in his own way and tries to play like KWP, but with 50% of the ability, meaning his deficiencies especially in defence (but also in transition) are often horribly exposed. A decent team like Leicester will take him apart. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gio1saints Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Pamplemousse said: He isn't as bad as people make out, I just think because KWP is levels ahead of him (and most other full backs in the league) it stands out a bit more when he makes a mistake. I think this is an excellent point. KWP is the best RB in this league bar none.Attack or defend. Every team we’ve played have had to work hard to keep him at bay. If I was an opposition manager I would concentrate on the other flank wherever possible. By his own admission Ryan has played poorly at times early on - BUT - has got his place back via injury and the last two matches have shown more of what was expected and playing better. Small but unpopular point, : much of his apparent deficiency is arguably ( means maybe not necessarily so before you go full abuse mode) due to KWP having more licence to go wherever he likes up front but mainly right and centre. Ryan has clearly been told to stay narrow by default usually to support the defensive set up in case of counter attacks and interceptions etc. It’s rare he overlaps at LB for instance. His defensive responsibility in that regard is a curb on his natural attacking strengths and may explain in part why he’s got most yellow cards this season for us. - and not looked as good because this role is not optimal for his skill set m. If he plays v Walsall and KWP rested and allowed more freedom I would not be surprised if he scores or assists. Will check the price out as should be good. 😎. Fire away all you who hate him Happy to discuss with normal fair minded Saints fans though. Think proof should be in the pudding because- in light of above he’s not as terrible as many of you make out. In fact he’s a very decent player who supports our system well and selflessly. Edited January 5 by gio1saints 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rallyboy Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 (edited) see below! 🙂 Edited January 5 by rallyboy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rallyboy Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 When the whole team was playing at 5mph and he was just playing short pedestrian passes sideways and backwards he didn't look great, but since we got the hang of moving the ball quickly he looks much better and is cool under pressure. He's no KWP but he's much improved, as are many. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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BERMUDASAINT Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 Ryan Manning has averaged the most chances created per 90 among the Southampton squad this season (1.9), just ahead of Stuart Armstrong (1.8), Not so useless after all. Who is the next whipping boy? Some of ya gotta have one! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 16 minutes ago, BERMUDASAINT said: Ryan Manning has averaged the most chances created per 90 among the Southampton squad this season (1.9), just ahead of Stuart Armstrong (1.8), Not so useless after all. Who is the next whipping boy? Some of ya gotta have one! Its his defending and giving the ball away in our half which is the issue I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry_SFC Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 2 minutes ago, skintsaint said: Its his defending and giving the ball away in our half which is the issue I think. Yeah, got no issue with his creativity. He just isn't that great at defending. Which when you're in a team as good as ours in an ok league, you can largely get away with. If we got promoted though he would really get shown up. He's basically another Danny Fox. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davefizzy14 Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 (edited) To be fair I think Manning has been excellent defensively recently. Edited January 18 by davefizzy14 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee On Solent Saint Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 22 minutes ago, skintsaint said: Its his defending and giving the ball away in our half which is the issue I think. Corners can be hit and miss also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErwinK1961 Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 45 minutes ago, BERMUDASAINT said: Ryan Manning has averaged the most chances created per 90 among the Southampton squad this season (1.9), just ahead of Stuart Armstrong (1.8), Not so useless after all. Who is the next whipping boy? Some of ya gotta have one! It doesn’t confirm which side he’s creating the chances for. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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