Shea Charles

[Jeremy Corbyn]

17 minutes ago, Sheaf Saint said:

Won Player of the Season award at Wednesday. 

https://www.swfc.co.uk/news/2025/april/26/shea-charles-wins-swfc-player-of-the-year-award/

Bodes well for us for next season.

Him and Edwards both smashing the champ and should be our core for the rebuild.

[Oldandtired]

If a player is on loan at a club, really likes it, really doesn’t want to return to parent club, can the club force the return against the player’s will, thereby risking a season of sulks à la ABK?

[Matthew Le God]

2 minutes ago, Oldandtired said:

If a player is on loan at a club, really likes it, really doesn’t want to return to parent club, can the club force the return against the player’s will, thereby risking a season of sulks à la ABK?

Loans expire at the end of the season. Players automatically return to their parent clubs. There is no need to force anything.

[Sheaf Saint]

2 minutes ago, Oldandtired said:

If a player is on loan at a club, really likes it, really doesn’t want to return to parent club, can the club force the return against the player’s will, thereby risking a season of sulks à la ABK?

Well yes. He's our player, and it would take a bid of a lot more than Wednesday could afford to convince us to sell him this summer. 

[ApprenticeBillionaire]

5 minutes ago, Oldandtired said:

If a player is on loan at a club, really likes it, really doesn’t want to return to parent club, can the club force the return against the player’s will, thereby risking a season of sulks à la ABK?

He's got no choice if he likes it.

He's contracted to us.

Ditto their fans...

Fan Rule #1 never get too attached to a loan player. 

[Holmes_and_Watson]

1 hour ago, ApprenticeBillionaire said:

Fan Rule #1 never get too attached to a loan player. 

Although, there are times where the loan move ends, the player departs and they still become a bit of a legend to get attached to.

[saintoaks]

When he returns can he play a part in our final games ?

[Verbal]

On 27/04/2025 at 12:16, Oldandtired said:

If a player is on loan at a club, really likes it, really doesn’t want to return to parent club, can the club force the return against the player’s will, thereby risking a season of sulks à la ABK?

Leaving aside the contractual stuff, just curious how much SC actually liked the chronic uncertainty of even getting paid.

[Badger]

6 hours ago, Verbal said:

Leaving aside the contractual stuff, just curious how much SC actually liked the chronic uncertainty of even getting paid.

I’ve no idea what the agreement was or how the mechanics of this work, but as he’s our player contracted to SFC don’t we continue to pay him, and Sheff Weds either pay us their contribution on agreed wages, or just pay him that element?  If the latter then Saints still pay the balance. 

[chiknsmack]

21 hours ago, saintoaks said:

When he returns can he play a part in our final games ?

The loan expires at the end of May.

[benjii]

On 27/04/2025 at 16:29, Holmes_and_Watson said:

Although, there are times where the loan move ends, the player departs and they still become a bit of a legend to get attached to.

 

Taider ❤️

[malcolm waldron]

On 27/04/2025 at 13:29, Holmes_and_Watson said:

Although, there are times where the loan move ends, the player departs and they still become a bit of a legend to get attached to.

What a player.....

[sockeye]

On 27/04/2025 at 12:16, Oldandtired said:

If a player is on loan at a club, really likes it, really doesn’t want to return to parent club, can the club force the return against the player’s will, thereby risking a season of sulks à la ABK?

I wouldn’t want to hang around Wednesday whilst Chansiri is still about if I were Shea.

[Matthew Le God]

On 29/04/2025 at 13:15, Verbal said:

Leaving aside the contractual stuff, just curious how much SC actually liked the chronic uncertainty of even getting paid.

He was in no danger of not being paid. He is a contracted Southampton employee. His wages are paid by Saints.

Sheffield Wednesday pay Saints a fee for loaning him plus a % of the wage amount. But Sheffield Wednesday not paying their players does not impact Charles getting paid by Saints.

[Verbal]

29 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

He was in no danger of not being paid. He is a contracted Southampton employee. His wages are paid by Saints.

Sheffield Wednesday pay Saints a fee for loaning him plus a % of the wage amount. But Sheffield Wednesday not paying their players does not impact Charles getting paid by Saints.

Regardless of where the paycheck comes from, if you were with an employer who didn't pay its employees on time, and saw that happen to everyone around you, how enthusiastic would you be to stay there?

And if you adfd back in the context of this discussion, it was a speculation about whether he'd be keen to push for a deal to stay at Weds.

Edited April 30 by Verbal
Extra i to dot because of who I'm replying to.

[Lee On Solent Saint]

On 27/04/2025 at 13:29, Holmes_and_Watson said:

Although, there are times where the loan move ends, the player departs and they still become a bit of a legend to get attached to.

What a player. Loved that guy

[Saint Fan CaM]

19 hours ago, sockeye said:

I wouldn’t want to hang around Wednesday whilst Chansiri is still about if I were Shea.

Apart from that, there’s no way that SW have the financial means to buy Charles. If he’s not playing for Saints next season (likely) he’ll be sold to a more financially able club and Dragan will recoup some of his lost £’s.

[Chez]

On 29/04/2025 at 20:11, Badger said:

I’ve no idea what the agreement was or how the mechanics of this work, but as he’s our player contracted to SFC don’t we continue to pay him, and Sheff Weds either pay us their contribution on agreed wages, or just pay him that element?  If the latter then Saints still pay the balance. 

Sfc pays him fully each month. The loan agreement is between the clubs. Sheffield pays money to SFC, not him.

[Dusic]

Noticeable how much more composed Shea Charlea was today than when he played in his first season with us - was very good today and lovely ball over the top for Manning's run at the end. Seema like someone who can run all day too. Will be a big player this seaaon if we can keep hold of him.

With two years left on his contract I hope he is one we are trying extend.

[a1ex2001]

10 minutes ago, Dusic said:

Noticeable how much more composed Shea Charlea was today than when he played in his first season with us - was very good today and lovely ball over the top for Manning's run at the end. Seema like someone who can run all day too. Will be a big player this seaaon if we can keep hold of him.

With two years left on his contract I hope he is one we are trying extend.

He’ll need to se plenty of game time if we want him to sign an extension, he’d be mad to commit himself for longer and then land up a bit part player.  His form at Wednesday showed he was clearly capable of being a really good Championship midfielder as a minimum so he will want to be playing and developing.

Fingers crossed he has a great season and we get to see if he is EPL standard next season.

 

[Saint_clark]

Thought he was our best player today just overshadowed by the more noticeable impact Manning had. 

He looks more physically imposing than I remember. 

[Harry_SFC]

1 hour ago, Saint_clark said:

Thought he was our best player today just overshadowed by the more noticeable impact Manning had. 

He looks more physically imposing than I remember. 

I think it's confidence more than anything to be honest. He has the momentum of being one of the best players in the league last season. I don't think Martin truly believed in him two years ago, which would've been a kick in the teeth considering Smallbone played as a defensive mid when he's not able to fulfil that role. 

Edited August 9 by Harry_SFC

[S-Clarke]

He's always been a good player in my eyes, but the loan has done in the world of good. What you notice with him is that he plays the ball through the lines, he likes to be progressive with it through the middle. He liked doing that in his first season with us as well, maybe that's why Martin didn't like him? He preferred the ball cyclers in that position, not someone with a bit of gumption and initiative to play a ball forward.

The sort of player you build the team around. I hope he's one of the lads with a new contract in the offing.

[Gloucester Saint]

21 minutes ago, Harry_SFC said:

I think it's confidence more than anything to be honest. He has the momentum of being one of the best players in the league last season. I don't think Martin truly believed in him two years ago, which would've been a kick in the teeth considering Smallbone played as a defensive mid when he's not able to fulfil that role. 

Yeah, shows how bad Martin’s judgement was that he preferred Smallbone to be DMC, although he’s been making much better signings for Rangers.

Shea is different league to Smallbone, no offence to Will. Smallbone is moving on I suspect.

[Saint_lambden]

42 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

He's always been a good player in my eyes, but the loan has done in the world of good. What you notice with him is that he plays the ball through the lines, he likes to be progressive with it through the middle. He liked doing that in his first season with us as well, maybe that's why Martin didn't like him? He preferred the ball cyclers in that position, not someone with a bit of gumption and initiative to play a ball forward.

The sort of player you build the team around. I hope he's one of the lads with a new contract in the offing.

He is. Primary one they want to tie down as his current deal ends in 2027. 

[SNSUN]

I was one that didn't rate him last time out in the Championship but he was young, had a big price tag behind him and was playing first team football for the first time ever so I gave him the benefit of the doubt. Boy has he improved with that loan. My MOTM. Him and Downes will be a good midfield, as long as the club can get someone in to help in AM (if Mat is off).

Long season but a promising first game of the campaign for him.

[redandwhitey]

I thought the last twenty minutes he was breathing through his backside 

played very well despite that

[S-Clarke]

1 minute ago, SNSUN said:

I was one that didn't rate him last time out in the Championship but he was young, had a big price tag behind him and was playing first team football for the first time ever so I gave him the benefit of the doubt. Boy has he improved with that loan. My MOTM. Him and Downes will be a good midfield, as long as the club can get someone in to help in AM (if Mat is off).

Long season but a promising first game of the campaign for him.

My feeling is that he'd be even better with someone more mobile and stronger alongside him. I wouldn't say no to £15m for Downes if it was offered, allowing us to go and buy some proper power in there. I think that's what we still lack.

[Baird of the land]

Like I’ve said before he wasn’t at all suited to Martin crab football.

[SNSUN]

26 minutes ago, Saint_lambden said:

He is. Primary one they want to tie down as his current deal ends in 2027. 

Get it done. Heck we should even look at bringing Pierce in if it helps get him to stick around!

[sockeye]

25 minutes ago, SNSUN said:

Get it done. Heck we should even look at bringing Pierce in if it helps get him to stick around!

From what I have seen, Pierce isn’t half bad, certainly wouldn’t mind us taking a look, but he would surely want to be playing week in week out at this stage in his career.

[SW11_Saint]

He was excellent today… looks like a totally different proposition. Great to have him back. 

[SNSUN]

11 minutes ago, sockeye said:

From what I have seen, Pierce isn’t half bad, certainly wouldn’t mind us taking a look, but he would surely want to be playing week in week out at this stage in his career.

Linked with Leicester and Wednesday are bonkers so it's a possible.

[Wiggles31]

Best player on the pitch today. 

[a1ex2001]

44 minutes ago, sockeye said:

From what I have seen, Pierce isn’t half bad, certainly wouldn’t mind us taking a look, but he would surely want to be playing week in week out at this stage in his career.

One of the few players I wouldn’t expect to leave Wednesday unless the chairman forces him out as he is finally guaranteed to start which is what he has wanted.  

[Saint86]

He is absolute class. Always amusing the number of fans that doubted him going into the season. Reckon he's got a very strong chance of being our player of the season. Him and Downes in midfield is already a premier league pairing (and he'll get better still), a complete cheat code for this level.

Just watched the highlights on ITV4. Charles' pass for Manning for the 2nd goal is just pure quality.

Edited August 9 by Saint86

[SWLondon Saint]

One thing I thought watching today was that he's not really a holding midfielder, he's actually pretty decent going forward, good touch, some great runs, can take the ball on the half turn or in his stride. Should have had a pen when his shot was blocked by an arm.

Ideal I think is Downes sitting in front of the defence with Charles and Fernandes ahead of him, then if we get up need to upgrade in the holding MF position.

[Turkish]

Bro played like he was on cheat mode 

[Farmer Saint]

4 minutes ago, SWLondon Saint said:

One thing I thought watching today was that he's not really a holding midfielder, he's actually pretty decent going forward, good touch, some great runs, can take the ball on the half turn or in his stride. Should have had a pen when his shot was blocked by an arm.

Ideal I think is Downes sitting in front of the defence with Charles and Fernandes ahead of him, then if we get up need to upgrade in the holding MF position.

Yep, he's proper box to box. I can see why multiple outlets have him as favourite for Championship player of the season.

Edited August 9 by Farmer Saint

[hypochondriac]

That ball for the last goal was something else. He's going to be our best player this year. 

[revolution saint]

He was excellent yesterday and very impressed with him.  You can see why RM didn't rate him though - the amount of accurate forward passes would have been a definite issue.

[S-Clarke]

52 minutes ago, revolution saint said:

He was excellent yesterday and very impressed with him.  You can see why RM didn't rate him though - the amount of accurate forward passes would have been a definite issue.

100% what I said yesterday, it sounds jokey but it must have been a reason. He favoured the ball cyclers in Downes and Smallbone who just crab the ball. I'm not entirely convinced Downes is a good fit for us now, but we'll see. Part of my feeling for him has bene soured by his mid-season antics though.

Charly was another one who saw a forward pass and made it, but unsurprisingly he was also ushered to the scrap heap.

[revolution saint]

4 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

100% what I said yesterday, it sounds jokey but it must have been a reason. He favoured the ball cyclers in Downes and Smallbone who just crab the ball. I'm not entirely convinced Downes is a good fit for us now, but we'll see. Part of my feeling for him has bene soured by his mid-season antics though.

Charly was another one who saw a forward pass and made it, but unsurprisingly he was also ushered to the scrap heap.

Yeah, to be fair to Downes, I don't think he's fully fit.  He seems to be one of those players that takes a while to get up to speed (Lambert was the same) so I'd give him a bit of slack.  I don't really see many options for him that are agreeable to the club even if he did want to move.  We'd be looking to get our money back, can't see a prem club touching him and very few champ clubs would risk that kind of money on him. 

I think he'll be fine but we definitely need more bodies in CM (assuming Smallbone and Aribo move on) so hopefully we'll have some other options.

[skintsaint]

3 hours ago, hypochondriac said:

That ball for the last goal was something else.

Remind me of Beck's playing that 'Quarter-back role'.... 😅

Used to fizz the ball cross-field a lot.

[benjii]

15 hours ago, SWLondon Saint said:

One thing I thought watching today was that he's not really a holding midfielder, he's actually pretty decent going forward, good touch, some great runs, can take the ball on the half turn or in his stride. Should have had a pen when his shot was blocked by an arm.

Ideal I think is Downes sitting in front of the defence with Charles and Fernandes ahead of him, then if we get up need to upgrade in the holding MF position.

Indeed. And this is, to some extent, an issue for the squad. It's partly why we are so vulnerable against quick transitions / counters.

Not his fault at all and I wouldn't try to change his natural game.

But, we could do with a proper "protector" to sit in front of the CBs sometimes. Downes doesnt really do that as he likes to move forwards to. BIG problem last season. Romeu.... please!

The way the match went yesterday suited us. We could just keep throwing on the attacking players on the bench. But sometimes we'll want to see a game out.

Edited Sunday at 12:35 by benjii

[Football Special]

He's so keen for us to do well he's even supporting Leicester's opponents today 

 

[trousers]

Just now, Football Special said:

He's so keen for us to do well he's even supporting Leicester's opponents today 

 

Our manager has given our players a day off already...? Still out!!!!!

[Badger]

12 minutes ago, Football Special said:

He's so keen for us to do well he's even supporting Leicester's opponents today 

 

Tapping up his brother to join us 

[Saint86]

25 minutes ago, trousers said:

Our manager has given our players a day off already...? Still out!!!!!

Agent Charles reporting for duty more like 🤣

🥷

[saintant]

1 hour ago, trousers said:

Our manager has given our players a day off already...? Still out!!!!!

Sunday is a normal day off - Russboy used to chuck in Mondays as well for a nice long weekend before the light jogging and fun kick about training sessions. How much fitter did we look yesterday!