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Holmes_and_Watson

Holmes_and_Watson

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25 minutes ago, spyinthesky said:

I understand Phil Parsons was royally fucked off at a recent Golf Event.
Was this because he knew that:
i) the the club's indiscretions had been found out with his knowledge or
ii)  that he had just found out?

At the moment we dont know, so let's wait until more information becomes available

I heard he'd been put off his game, by someone lurking behind a tree.

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Gloucester Saint

Gloucester Saint

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1 minute ago, Miltonaggro said:

That was my first thought, an attempt at backslapping bonhomie with known snides like that suggests naivety in the extreme.   

And probably fuelled the media firestorm even further. Parsons should be out of the door along with Tonda. SR - do the decent thing and sell asap even if you lose your shirt. You’ve sullied a city of 300k people reputationally. Bad results are one thing but this is beyond the pale.

Go, go now. 

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Convict Colony

Convict Colony

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Also i am very suspicious of the tweets im seeing now of this given the club hasnt released a statement and would do so until the appeal is finished "Tonda Eckert admitted he was responsible for the decision to spy on opponents — his key defence was that, since the practice is widespread on the continent, he had no idea he was breaking English football rules."

sadoldgit

sadoldgit

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2 minutes ago, Mr X said:

We are we persisting with a pointless apeal? If the EFL were to reverse this decision they would look more stupid and incompetent than us and that's saying something as the whole country is laughing at us! 

To be fair, it would be the panel making the decision so out of the EFL’s hands.

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AlexLaw76

AlexLaw76

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Just now, Convict Colony said:

Also i am very suspicious of the tweets im seeing now of this given the club hasnt released a statement and would do so until the appeal is finished "Tonda Eckert admitted he was responsible for the decision to spy on opponents — his key defence was that, since the practice is widespread on the continent, he had no idea he was breaking English football rules."

I mean, that is bollox really

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Mr X

Mr X

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Just now, sadoldgit said:

To be fair, it would be the panel making the decision so out of the EFL’s hands.

True it's just ain't going to happen though it would send the message that you can cheat and still get away with it 

vectraman

vectraman

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6 minutes ago, Waterside.saint said:

Unbelievable.  Someone must've OK'd this, and that someone should go

No.

Everyone who knew this was going on should go.

Anybody could have stopped this because they would know it to be wrong. But they didn’t. All culpable, all must go..

That is how real life work investigations go. You have rules, you break them, you are fucked.  Somebody knows you have broken the rules and did nothing - equally fucked.

I cannot believe a professional football club’s hierarchy did not know this was happening. Absolute amateur hour.

 

Saint_clark

Saint_clark

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8 minutes ago, sockeye said:

I'd be furious with Parsons if I were Dragan. Tonda and co. fucked up big time but Parsons handed the EFL the knife

Are we really going to be most furious with the one person that acted with any integrity? 

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The Wyvern

The Wyvern

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Just now, Lord Duckhunter said:

To believe he didn’t know it was illegal, you also have to believe we didn’t spy on anyone else. Surely if you thought it was legal, you’d spy on more than Oxford, Ipswich & Boro

I can't imagine that many clubs have open training grounds that can be easily viewed from public space? 

whelk

whelk

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3 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

We're all over the BBC Ten O'Clock News like we're Jimmy Savile or something.

The level of sanctimony from some of these cunts is staggering

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LGTL

LGTL

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The more I read, the more enraged I become. This is the most extraordinary evening supporting this shit show of a football club. 

EBS1980

EBS1980

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If this had come out in Dec and we admitted to three counts of it, I wonder what the punishment would have been then?? 

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JohnnyShearer2.0

JohnnyShearer2.0

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Absolute cunts the lot of them.

Saints for breaking rules, the efl and the panel.

Why admit to the prior charges if there was no proof?

As a result I had to deal with a distraught 10 year old. Who cried himself to sleep due to the shitty news.

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Paulwantsapint81

Paulwantsapint81

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How the fuck do we explain to young kids what has happened 

 

My 4 year old has been getting excited about watching Saturday with me & his friends at school & their families but we have to cancel on them

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Why is Southampton Football Club hiring a spy who makes Johnny English look like James Bond?

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woksaintly

woksaintly

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Just a curve ball. I have not seen the T& C of my Wembley ticket because I have not got it yet. I have paid for it and legally I could insist on exercising my right to attend as in good faith I have bought that ticket with no published preconditions

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Holmes_and_Watson

Holmes_and_Watson

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17 minutes ago, skintsaint said:

Apparently Tonda didn't realise it was against the rules.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2026/05/19/spygate-scandal-english-football-southampton-middlesbrough/

 

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Wasn't there a single person at our club to advise him otherwise?

Or is this a result of SR having gutted all the scouting, into data led decisions, so we only had interns to send.

"Southampton's key defence was that Tonda didn't know and it didn't come up at the garden centres our interns worked at."

Tonda, unlike us, can always just move up to the PL, as I understand it's not a rule there.

RedArmy

RedArmy

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Just now, Sheaf Saint said:

We admitted it. No proof required.

You’re missing the point. Proof is more important if we didn’t admit to every single bit of it. 
 

Without the admission it’s hearsay. 
 

Im not denying we did it and never have done, just wondering why we thought it was a good idea to be so upfront about our guilt in the face of some wishy washy evidence (bar the Boro one) 

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whelk

whelk

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1 minute ago, woksaintly said:

Just a curve ball. I have not seen the T& C of my Wembley ticket because I have not got it yet. I have paid for it and legally I could insist on exercising my right to attend as in good faith I have bought that ticket with no published preconditions

You will get refunded

spyinthesky

spyinthesky

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1 minute ago, EBS1980 said:

If this had come out in Dec and we admitted to three counts of it, I wonder what the punishment would have been then?? 

Suspended sentence? Warning?

Osvaldorama

Osvaldorama

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1 minute ago, woksaintly said:

Just a curve ball. I have not seen the T& C of my Wembley ticket because I have not got it yet. I have paid for it and legally I could insist on exercising my right to attend as in good faith I have bought that ticket with no published preconditions


Shall we all just turn up and support hull 

IronCitySaint

IronCitySaint

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It is just bleeding typical that the day the football authorities finally grow some balls, it is us in the dock. The punishment is way over the top to the point we probably won't see such harsh punishment again. However, the club owes us all to expose which imbeciles thought this would be a good idea. Whoever it is needs to be sacked immediately and, if I were running the club, sued for compensation. Not only has it screwed this season it has most likely screwed next season too. Bunch of half-witted morons. The fans deserve better than the cretins that have been running this club.

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SWLondon Saint

SWLondon Saint

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Well, now we know the club admitted it, can't say I'm surprised at the outcome. I would put money on every single club doing it, just being smarter / staying outside the 72h rule. We just did it incompetently, and heads should roll. Just so fucking stupid, honestly, a kid with an iPhone? Judging from the Oxford and Ipswich games, we didn't even gain any benefit at all so what was the point of it all?

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SW11_Saint

SW11_Saint

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Who the hell was our Counsel? If Tonda’s defence was really that he didn’t know it was against the rules (and if so, why didn’t someone else on staff inform him?) why didn’t they tell him to keep his f*****g mouth shut?! The whole thing screams 🤡show!! 

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Pilchards

Pilchards

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Saints playing ‘we didn’t know the rules card’ has screwed us up.

Once we knew we had been caught they should have got ruthless and put a plan together.
 

Parsons comments to Gibson had given them the chance to throw us under the bus and that is what they did. 200m up the shitter.

Parson you are a PRICK!

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Convict Colony

Convict Colony

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1 minute ago, Holmes_and_Watson said:

Wasn't there a single person at our club to advise him otherwise?

Or is this a result of SR having gutted all the scouting, into data led decisions, so we only had interns to send.

"Southampton's key defence was that Tonda didn't know and it didn't come up at the garden centres our interns worked at."

Tonda, unlike us, can always just move up to the PL, as I understand it's not a rule there.

pretty sure it was illegal at barnsley

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Sheaf Saint

Sheaf Saint

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1 minute ago, RedArmy said:

You’re missing the point. Proof is more important if we didn’t admit to every single bit of it. 
 

Without the admission it’s hearsay. 
 

Im not denying we did it and never have done, just wondering why we thought it was a good idea to be so upfront about our guilt in the face of some wishy washy evidence (bar the Boro one) 

Probably because we thought if we were as open and cooperative as possible then we might be able to strike some kind of plea bargain to lessen our punishment.

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Football Special

Football Special

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1 hour ago, S-Clarke said:

This is the precedent and why our sanctions feel so, so, so out of whack. What we've been hit with is the equivalent of match fixing or fielding ineligible players, it doesn't feel proportonate.

I appreciate that the rule wasn't in place when Leeds did it, but it's also not in place in the EPL. I just can't quite get my head around the severity of it, because this punishes the fans of all clubs more than it punishes the club.

I'm not downplaying what we've done, I said it above that I'm done with the fuckers - but the EFL are a bit incompetent here. They've allowed us to keep selling tickets up until this afternoon, knowing fans would be arranging travel and accommodation. They've now made this decision which means Boro now have to rush through and arrange accommodation and tickets themselves.

And a thought for Hull here too - they've spent the week preparing for us (not spying on us I'll add), but analysing our matches, planning for our shape etc. They've now got to rip up everything they've worked on to focus on Boro with just 2 full training days. The EFL have made an utter mess and it's the fans who suffer, not our incompetent owners.

I'm all for accepting punishment for this, but punish the club, punish the individuals. All this does is punish the fans.

We have been well and truly done up by the Middlesbrough mafia, they'll know most teams involved in this sort of thing and we were fucking stupid enough to walk into the trap. 

 Needs a proper investigation into:

> the analyst who joined us from Boro then left earlier this season. They knew we'd be there. A badly dressed kid with an iphone learning fuck all 

> the board member at Boro on EFL board 

> orchestrated media campaign that lost us the case , I've never seen anything like it (compare Henry Winter vs Leeds ) 

> most draconian punishment possible for a new offence with no precedent 

Fuck the EFL and Middlesbrough 

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Saint86

Saint86

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14 minutes ago, Convict Colony said:

Really !!! i read that as parsons being dealt a shit sandwich and taking ownership of it to control the fall out as best as he could, remember this was before the game was played.

Many bad guys in this but i'm not think parsons is one.

No way convict, not for me. If (and I am prepared to accept it's an if) that story is true, then he is naive and stupid beyond measure, and he's likely ruined the club for the next decade or so.

Sometimes you need to know when to shut up and lawyer up. And Wtf is the point of doing that in the press (and letting the club be dragged through the mud), if we've gone behind closed doors and given those out to ruin us everything they need.

His job was to defend the club first and foremost, regardless of any "shit sandwich" he was dealt. Not give the hangman the noose and put our head in it to boot. The club needs capable people at the top now more than ever, and he's never done anything to suggest he is.

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SNSUN

SNSUN

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1 minute ago, Osvaldorama said:


Shall we all just turn up and support hull 

I’m off out with my mate in Reading instead, He wanted a sesh in London but I want to avoid the place like a rash. 

GDog07

GDog07

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1 minute ago, JohnnyShearer2.0 said:

Absolute cunts the lot of them.

Saints for breaking rules, the efl and the panel.

Why admit to the prior charges if there was no proof?

As a result I had to deal with a distraught 10 year old. Who cried himself to sleep due to the shitty news.

Can’t imagine.

I was almost brought to tears as soon as it broke on SSN and I’m still hollow and in disbelief and I’ve got to get up for work in a few hours - The hype and excitement for a massive massive day, down the drain.

I’m gutted AF, I can’t imagine what a super-excited ten year old feels, I’m sorry 😔 

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RedArmy

RedArmy

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Just now, SW11_Saint said:

Who the hell was our Counsel? If Tonda’s defence was really that he didn’t know it was against the rules (and if so, why didn’t someone else on staff inform him?) why didn’t they tell him to keep his f*****g mouth shut?! The whole thing screams 🤡show!! 

If the story of Parsons at the away leg is true, their job was made impossible. 
 

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Lard

Lard

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10 minutes ago, adrian lord said:

The appeal:

No way will we be re-instated, even if we hired Kavanagh QC. 

Best we can hope for is the points deduction being waived. I think that is likely actually. 

The four points deduction was put in the ‘punishment’ purely for this scenario. 
EFL can save face and Saints can say they fought the aforementioned punishment. 
Thats the whole point of the four points, as it was deemed a ‘disposable’ part of the sanctions for us. 

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Gloucester Saint

Gloucester Saint

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1 minute ago, Saint_clark said:

Are we really going to be most furious with the one person that acted with any integrity? 

That’s not how it is when there’s been a serious fuck up at an organisation because I’ve had to clean them up. Stay away from aggrieved/aggregated parties until facts are fully established and if it’s going to a tribunal/panel keep your fucking powder dry until that convenes.

At least might have limited the damage even though it was very unlikely to be his fault in the first place. Tonda and Spors will down the road but to have fuelled the flames further in the media was stupid in the extreme. This is a guy who has probably dealt with James Dyson’s IP at some stage. 

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EBS1980

EBS1980

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3 minutes ago, saintant said:

Did nobody at the football club think to tell him?

Or they did and him and Spors decided to carry on regardless

Zorba

Zorba

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1 minute ago, RedArmy said:

Im not denying we did it and never have done, just wondering why we thought it was a good idea to be so upfront about our guilt in the face of some wishy washy evidence (bar the Boro one) 

Because we’re a very honest football cl..   oh,wait..

LegalEagle

LegalEagle

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1 minute ago, saintant said:

Did nobody at the football club think to tell him?

On the basis that Tonda says he didn’t know the rules, it’s as sure as shit that this is not limited to Oxford, Ipswich and Boro. If he thought it was ok then we did this to every club we played against. Even Arsenal. Why wouldn’t we? It was ok to do.

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sadoldgit

sadoldgit

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13 minutes ago, vectraman said:

No.

Everyone who knew this was going on should go.

Anybody could have stopped this because they would know it to be wrong. But they didn’t. All culpable, all must go..

That is how real life work investigations go. You have rules, you break them, you are fucked.  Somebody knows you have broken the rules and did nothing - equally fucked.

I cannot believe a professional football club’s hierarchy did not know this was happening. Absolute amateur hour.

 

I have absolutely no idea how widespread this is, but someone with contacts in the game says everybody does it. If that is the case, why would anyone in the club think it was that much of a problem? 

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