alehouseboys Posted 13 August, 2014 Share Posted 13 August, 2014 PREMIER LEAGUE DUMMY-SPITTING TOP 6 1. Drama Queen [insert Saints Web poster here] 2. Bedwetter [insert Saints Web poster here] 3. Hysterical Tart [insert Saints Web poster here] 4. Knee-Jerker [insert Saints Web poster here] 5. Pillow-Biter [insert Saints Web poster here] 6. Mischievous Skate [insert Saints Web poster here] Opportunity missed. The Fruitloop Eleven would also make interesting reading. I guess ever club has them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beckenham Saint Posted 13 August, 2014 Share Posted 13 August, 2014 What rumours, the one you just made up? Ryan Bertrand has never played for West Brom :lol: I refuse to believe we are in for Shane Long until he follows a bunch of our players on Social Media. That's how it works, right? Shane Long and Ryan Bertrand would both have played together in the 2009/10 season for Reading in the Championship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted 13 August, 2014 Share Posted 13 August, 2014 I keep reading this and I keep thinking, if we COULD get Ings we probably would have done so by now surely. Which probably means we aren't going too, for whatever reason. I've only ever seen Long play against us so I am not in a position to comment on his value. But if the manager reckons he can work with him so be it. I also tend to think he won't be the last attacking signing before the end of the window but again that's just my best guess. I personally think the club knows Ings has a season left on his contract and is willing to risk signing him next summer on a free rather than an overinflated fee this summer. Of course that's dependent on Burnley not offering him a decent new contract or another club having the same idea as us. As for Long, seeing how it strengthens our attacking options comforts me. I'm looking forward to getting it over the line, and Gardos, and moving on to strengthening other areas like AM, RB and possibly another CB. Then there's the Schneiderlin problem... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 13 August, 2014 Share Posted 13 August, 2014 Frazier Campbell. Really surprised more didn't look at him. He's average to good at this level, but has shown flashes of more and get the feeling the right club could get a lot out of him. More to the point, 800k for a player who will chip in with a few goals? Great value. I'd take Kenwyne over him, which is a damning indictment of the quality of bottom-half strikers in the Premier League - then again, given tactical shifts away from multiple strikers, there's probably only half as many of them to begin with as there was in 2000. Can you imagine us needing 4 strikers of starting ability like most teams had when we were in the Premier League before? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 13 August, 2014 Share Posted 13 August, 2014 Good to see Long and Ryan Bertrand linked up well at West Brom. Wondering if Bertrand informed Koeman Long wanted a move back down south. If he was good enough for Roy he'll do fine at Saints. Loony. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baird of the land Posted 13 August, 2014 Share Posted 13 August, 2014 K,Billy or guan... any truth in the rumours that Long has rejected us? Don't get my hopes up that we've been given a get out of jail free card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 13 August, 2014 Share Posted 13 August, 2014 What's better one Shane Long or twenty-four Billy Sharps? Depends what you want to do. I don't think Shane Long could right a rolled car, but I reckon 24 Billy Sharps could. I think part of the concern here is that some people don't actually think Long is much better than Sharp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trumpetvest Posted 13 August, 2014 Share Posted 13 August, 2014 Ryan Bertrand has never played for West Brom Did they play together at Reading? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beckenham Saint Posted 13 August, 2014 Share Posted 13 August, 2014 Spot the factual fault... Loony. Did they play together at Reading? They were both at Reading together for the 2009/10 season, Long made 36 appearances that season and Bertrand 51. It's reasonable to assume that they played together a fair few times that year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dangermouth Posted 13 August, 2014 Share Posted 13 August, 2014 I think his injury record is poor and he dives a lot. Those are the good things I have to say about him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 13 August, 2014 Share Posted 13 August, 2014 has he signed yet..? we cant get any one over the line and on the bus/plane/in the cafe ffs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 13 August, 2014 Share Posted 13 August, 2014 No, how much did he spend on Osvaldo? Osvaldo may have been a failure here and a total willy but he's clearly far superior to Long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ART Posted 13 August, 2014 Share Posted 13 August, 2014 Did they play together at Reading? I meant Reading and deleted what I originally wrote when I edited the part about Long and Hodgson at West Brom. They are mates from both their time in Birmingham as the video shows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trout-Tickler Posted 13 August, 2014 Share Posted 13 August, 2014 Doubtful since K,Billy said he was due a medical today. I would assume that means all the financials and other agreements were in place. True but I thought the same about Gardos and he's still not signed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St_Tel49 Posted 13 August, 2014 Share Posted 13 August, 2014 I wouldn't say he's a very average player. I think some people will be very surprised, he'll become a fans favourite I reckon. This Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 13 August, 2014 Share Posted 13 August, 2014 I think his injury record is poor and he dives a lot. Those are the good things I have to say about him. So what are the bad things then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 13 August, 2014 Share Posted 13 August, 2014 Osvaldo may have been a failure here and a total willy but he's clearly far superior to Long. He was a s***te signing and a massive waste of money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrant Posted 13 August, 2014 Share Posted 13 August, 2014 I meant Reading and deleted what I originally wrote when I edited the part about Long and Hodgson at West Brom. They are mates from both their time in Birmingham as the video shows. Erm... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 13 August, 2014 Share Posted 13 August, 2014 Completely ignoring the fee, which either can or cannot be justified based on your disposition, how do people see him fitting in? I see his qualities but don't know how he works with anything other than two strikers on the pitch, which we've not done in two seasons now. I really do not see him as a Jay Rod 'outside left' type of player. If he is Pelle's backup then I am concerned as he is not a target man. Is he 'just an option' for when we need two up front? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 13 August, 2014 Share Posted 13 August, 2014 He was a s***te signing and a massive waste of money. Yes but no one had a crystal ball unfortunately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ART Posted 13 August, 2014 Share Posted 13 August, 2014 Erm... The video I originally wanted to post has been removed but plenty of articles on that game. Interestingly when they played together Liverpool got knocked out of the FA Cup at Anfield so maybe we can do a repeat on Sunday http://www.theguardian.com/global/2010/jan/13/liverpool-reading-minute-by-minute Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 13 August, 2014 Share Posted 13 August, 2014 Completely ignoring the fee, which either can or cannot be justified based on your disposition, how do people see him fitting in? I see his qualities but don't know how he works with anything other than two strikers on the pitch, which we've not done in two seasons now. I really do not see him as a Jay Rod 'outside left' type of player. If he is Pelle's backup then I am concerned as he is not a target man. Is he 'just an option' for when we need two up front? He actually is decent at playing on his own or in a two. I think he will be back up and not a starter in general. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
100%Red&White Posted 13 August, 2014 Share Posted 13 August, 2014 Yes but no one had a crystal ball unfortunately. And the exact reason we should all sit back and give Long a chance. If we actually sign him, of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 13 August, 2014 Share Posted 13 August, 2014 Osvaldo may have been a failure here and a total willy but he's clearly far superior to Long. I have to agree, Osvaldo is much the greater pr*ck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ART Posted 13 August, 2014 Share Posted 13 August, 2014 Found another clip Bertrand and Long versus vs Liverpool when Long scored in the last minute for Reading to knock Liverpool out of the CUP at Anfield Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 13 August, 2014 Share Posted 13 August, 2014 Completely ignoring the fee, which either can or cannot be justified based on your disposition, how do people see him fitting in? I see his qualities but don't know how he works with anything other than two strikers on the pitch, which we've not done in two seasons now. I really do not see him as a Jay Rod 'outside left' type of player. If he is Pelle's backup then I am concerned as he is not a target man. Is he 'just an option' for when we need two up front? Not sure if he can play outside left, struggles with the ball at his feet (his first touch is pretty poor) so can't see him picking the ball up in deep positions or running at players. Much better when the ball is played in front of him. Could link well with Pelle; but as Pelle doesn't drift as much as Lambert, preferring to stay central (almost to the point of being static), there is a risk that Long would get isolated unless he was also played through the middle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 13 August, 2014 Share Posted 13 August, 2014 Not sure that is quite right' date=' although I know what you mean... but IMHO its more about what it symbolizes. We all know the risks associated with exotic sounding players who may or may not want to come or adapt etc. But given we had been told that the club wanted to build towards a 50%+ of first team from the academy, supplemented by some externals signings, and that this was what we finally saw last season - (and it looked like there was so much potential still to be realised and seen this season...) only for 3 academy products to be sold off and replaced by solid if unspectacular names... it just shows how the direction and strategy has shifted. I think we have lost the momentum we had over those last 5 seasons, and the continuity that came with that set of players. Yes all these things do eventually come to an end, and a club of our size and reputation does need to be realistic about these things... but selling academy products at 19 and replacing them with late 20s 'journeymen' is just not a model I have any affinity with... no matter how, pragmatic it may be... its just...'bland' ... the sort of thing Villa, Stoke, etc have been doing for years - just stay up and keep taking the money, with no real desire to ever be anything more - and that is what is depressing. 'Uber fans' may baulk at anyone moaning about it - but it goes against the sporting ideal... and its crap.[/quote'] What happened to 'the benefit of the doubt' 'we don't know all the facts' 'let's view this in a positive light until it's proven otherwise' 'we don't know' That was your manta under cortese when something happened you didn't like. Come on Franco, this negativity isn't like you at all!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainchris Posted 13 August, 2014 Share Posted 13 August, 2014 Classic - very funny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 13 August, 2014 Share Posted 13 August, 2014 And the exact reason we should all sit back and give Long a chance. If we actually sign him, of course. Of course, he will be supported well I hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roo1976 Posted 13 August, 2014 Share Posted 13 August, 2014 you made me chuckle with this .............bless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 13 August, 2014 Share Posted 13 August, 2014 Yes but no one had a crystal ball unfortunately. What has that got to do wth anything. He wsa a s***te signing. Huge waste of money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 13 August, 2014 Share Posted 13 August, 2014 Oh, and just out of interest, do we think that maybe this transfer bid is to hurry up other targets? Always a chance... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notnowcato Posted 13 August, 2014 Share Posted 13 August, 2014 Which is precisely why deals should have been done earlier in the window. Whichever way you look at it, this summer has been a monumental f*ck up. There should be consequences for the people at the top, the same way that there would be in other organisations that see a huge decrease in ambition and performance. Big Fish eats little fish, big f++king deal. If you expected anything less this summer then you really need to realign your expectations. I am really excited for the coming season. No doubt it will be a bumpy road but as we will never be title challenges we do get to see how the team and young players develop. If they turn out to be CL quality then expect a fair amount of them to leave. And so it all begins again. Life in the premier league will be like this for us. I live and work amongst a lot of Brighton fans and I must admit to being a bit jealous of them being in a proper football league, where it is almost as unpredictable as the PL Is predictable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Third Division South Days Posted 13 August, 2014 Share Posted 13 August, 2014 12m for a part timer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horley CTFC Saint Posted 13 August, 2014 Share Posted 13 August, 2014 So what are the bad things then? On past form 10 goals for a 38 game season - thats £1.2m a goal divided by the number of seasons of any contract he signs. Not sure whether thats good, bad or indifferent to be honest..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 13 August, 2014 Share Posted 13 August, 2014 On past form 10 goals for a 38 game season - thats £1.2m a goal divided by the number of seasons of any contract he signs. Not sure whether thats good, bad or indifferent to be honest..... Its indifferent - 1 goal every four games - although in fairly poor teams. If he could get up to 1 goal in 3 for Saints he and we would do well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 13 August, 2014 Share Posted 13 August, 2014 Its indifferent - 1 goal every four games - although in fairly poor teams. If he could get up to 1 goal in 3 for Saints he and we would do well. poor teams? WBA finished 8th and hull come runners up in the Cup and now in Europe? how were we that much better/going to be that much better? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 13 August, 2014 Share Posted 13 August, 2014 poor teams? WBA finished 8th and hull come runners up in the Cup and now in Europe? how were we that much better/going to be that much better? Then you are happy with the signing, getting a player from great teams? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junior Mullet Posted 13 August, 2014 Share Posted 13 August, 2014 Completely ignoring the fee, which either can or cannot be justified based on your disposition, how do people see him fitting in? I see his qualities but don't know how he works with anything other than two strikers on the pitch, which we've not done in two seasons now. I really do not see him as a Jay Rod 'outside left' type of player. If he is Pelle's backup then I am concerned as he is not a target man. Is he 'just an option' for when we need two up front? Just behind Pelle. Davis is a good player for us but Saturday showed me that we need something more in that position. Long nipping in and around there making runs and generally making a nuisance of himself might just work. With Tadic and Gaston on either flank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 13 August, 2014 Share Posted 13 August, 2014 poor teams? WBA finished 8th and hull come runners up in the Cup and now in Europe? how were we that much better/going to be that much better? Then why are you expecting us to sign much better players? Surely Long is our level and a good signing then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midfield_General Posted 13 August, 2014 Share Posted 13 August, 2014 I played against Shane Long once. He, to put it politely, tore me a new one. I really, really hope you are Daniel Agger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 13 August, 2014 Share Posted 13 August, 2014 Osvaldo may have been a failure here and a total willy but he's clearly far superior to Long. Not when he's not playing he isn't. Even I'm better than Osvaldo until I get out on the pitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St.Patrik Posted 13 August, 2014 Share Posted 13 August, 2014 So if he signs and plays on sunday for Saints - it sounds here like you will boooooo Long more then Lovren : / Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 13 August, 2014 Share Posted 13 August, 2014 Right so Brewster's Millions it is then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SO16_Saint Posted 13 August, 2014 Share Posted 13 August, 2014 Then you are happy with the signing, getting a player from great teams? Then why are you expecting us to sign much better players? Surely Long is our level and a good signing then? ooh - touché well played sirs, well played Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 13 August, 2014 Share Posted 13 August, 2014 ooh - touché well played sirs, well played Not really. Long has a poor scoring record in what have been fairly well performing teams. Just because a player has played for a good team does not automatically make him a good player. Certainly not worth 12 million at any rate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goatboy Posted 13 August, 2014 Share Posted 13 August, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bananaman Posted 13 August, 2014 Share Posted 13 August, 2014 I really, really hope you are Daniel Agger. gold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 13 August, 2014 Share Posted 13 August, 2014 Not really. Long has a poor scoring record in what have been fairly well performing teams. Just because a player has played for a good team does not automatically make him a good player. Certainly not worth 12 million at any rate. Who has said he is? No-one. You're arguing an argument that doesn't exist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 13 August, 2014 Share Posted 13 August, 2014 Then you are happy with the signing, getting a player from great teams? Trouble with continually making irrational posts for the sake of it, trying to always find a moan, you end up confusing yourself! Think, if this goes through, the fire sale posters will realise (as was obvious to most) was unusual transition with players going to top four clubs when they can, as they invariably do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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