Toadhall Saint Posted 22 June, 2016 Share Posted 22 June, 2016 What's the we bit - Christ on a bike its you Roy - your the manager, the team needs to be picked and play to your system. I despair. And people wonder why there are so many English fans that are disillusioned with the England set up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 22 June, 2016 Share Posted 22 June, 2016 What's the we bit - Christ on a bike its you Roy - your the manager, the team needs to be picked and play to your system. I despair. And people wonder why there are so many English fans that are disillusioned with the England set up. I have never felt so distant from the national team. I used to like him pre Brazil but he just doesn't seem to get it anymore and panders to the press. His selection of Jack Wheelchair is evidence. A squad needs options and should have taken Townsend and Carroll. Look how we finished the other night a formation that has always failed. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ART Posted 22 June, 2016 Share Posted 22 June, 2016 Going to be very tough next Monday for England in Nice Heatwave alert. Temperatures have risen to 35 C + and will rise further over the next 10 days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 22 June, 2016 Share Posted 22 June, 2016 Going to be very tough next Monday for England in Nice Heatwave alert. Temperatures have risen to 35 C + and will rise further over the next 10 days. #meltdown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErwinK1961 Posted 22 June, 2016 Share Posted 22 June, 2016 Going to be very tough next Monday for England in Nice Heatwave alert. Temperatures have risen to 35 C + and will rise further over the next 10 days. Hopefully we play Iceland then..... (I'll get my coat). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Biscuits Posted 22 June, 2016 Share Posted 22 June, 2016 Heard an interesting debate on the radio yesterday with regard to Hodgson - if he goes, who would take over? There's not really anyone out there at the moment that you could honestly say - he can do the job. And to be honest, who would actually want the poison chalice that is the England job? I can't think of another national side that seems to have the problems England do. Germany - always well drilled, always a goal threat. Even when they don't have a great squad you know they will be dangerous Spain - I can't remember the last time they failed to put out a team that didn't do well in a cup competition Italy - don't seem to give much of a f*ck but always seem to string together a fairly decent performance France - just like the rugby, you never know which France you are going to get. I just can't think of another national side that compares to the drama and the 'this time we'll do it' only to fail again of England. The 'this is the tournament Rooney is going to come alive' The selection policy that leaves out truly deserving players and takes out of form or injured players instead The total lack of cohesion on the pitch that we see time and time again The abject failure to get the damn ball in the net time after time Just what is it going to take to get our national football side actually playing and winning against the top opposition? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilippineSaint Posted 22 June, 2016 Share Posted 22 June, 2016 Heard an interesting debate on the radio yesterday with regard to Hodgson - if he goes, who would take over? There's not really anyone out there at the moment that you could honestly say - he can do the job. And to be honest, who would actually want the poison chalice that is the England job? I can't think of another national side that seems to have the problems England do. Germany - always well drilled, always a goal threat. Even when they don't have a great squad you know they will be dangerous Spain - I can't remember the last time they failed to put out a team that didn't do well in a cup competition Italy - don't seem to give much of a f*ck but always seem to string together a fairly decent performance France - just like the rugby, you never know which France you are going to get. I just can't think of another national side that compares to the drama and the 'this time we'll do it' only to fail again of England. The 'this is the tournament Rooney is going to come alive' The selection policy that leaves out truly deserving players and takes out of form or injured players instead The total lack of cohesion on the pitch that we see time and time again The abject failure to get the damn ball in the net time after time Just what is it going to take to get our national football side actually playing and winning against the top opposition? A manager with the balls to stop picking players from the fashionable clubs and shoe horning them into a system they donot know. Play the inform players in the positions they normally play in at there clubs as someone has already said its not bloody rocket science. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandwichsaint Posted 22 June, 2016 Share Posted 22 June, 2016 I didn't see much clamour for Andy Carroll before the squad was picked, might as well say we should have taken Dave Beasant in goal to kick it long to him. 2 goals scored in what is one of the easiest groups in the tournament is pretty damning but it's a bit depressing that our only answer seems to be to throw on the big man for the last 10 minutes. I do wonder if we should be playing 3 at the back and in the absence of any decent wide players utilising our strength with the attacking FB options we have. Dier holding, get the Alli/Kane combo firing down the middle which leaves two slots for Rooney/Lallana/Wheelchair (memo to Roy, you can't play 'everybody'). I wouldn't start any pairing of Kane/Sturridge/Vardy, they don't play in a 2 for their clubs, they don't know how to play in a 2 and they mainly look like fish out of water when shunted out onto the wings, or they come into the middle and crowd each other out. We has so many players around the top of their box in the last 20 minutes they were acting more like defenders than attackers - cutting down the space and the passing options for the man with the ball. Please no more Sterling or Henderson, poor selections and taking places that would have been better used by Drinkwater and Townsend. Hodgson's comments today just embarrassing, he might as well have stood on a chair and said we don't know what we're doing. But that's pretty obvious to anyone that has watched the games, this should all have been sorted months ago not scrambling around now for a Plan B. Maybe they should have taken horse face after all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrfahaji Posted 22 June, 2016 Share Posted 22 June, 2016 I don't think resting players was a problem if the focus was on what was best for our best XI. I.e. - maybe Walker and Rose could do with a break, and we had adequate replacements. However, I feel the inclusion of Wilshere and Henderson was not due to other midfielders needing a break, but rather Roy's desperation to get them involved. Tournament games (unless first place was secure) should never be used as a means of getting your players match fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil Monkey Posted 22 June, 2016 Share Posted 22 June, 2016 The problem as I see it is that we don't seem to have a system that the players are familiar with. The formation changes depending on the players that we pick, but it should be the other way around. We should have a set up that suits how Roy (or hopefully someone else before long) wants us to play and pick the best players for each position. As it is we seem to keep chopping and changing to squeeze everyone in. Then we get the press/fans clamouring for the latest Englishman to score a few goals to be thrown straight into the first team, disrupting any sense of continuity for the existing players. Don't get me wrong, we shouldnt ignore your Jamie Vardy levels of form, but too many caps are handed out for relatively short runs of form. There needs to be a better balance. England should be run more like a club side. 2 players for each position, and you only bring someone new in if they're an improvement on an existing player. So what if your Marcus Rashfords don't get a cap till their mid twenties or even at all. It's up to the clubs to blood youth not the national team. We need the players who are at their peaks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesfp1 Posted 22 June, 2016 Share Posted 22 June, 2016 The problem as I see it is that we don't seem to have a system that the players are familiar with. The formation changes depending on the players that we pick, but it should be the other way around. We should have a set up that suits how Roy (or hopefully someone else before long) wants us to play and pick the best players for each position. As it is we seem to keep chopping and changing to squeeze everyone in. Then we get the press/fans clamouring for the latest Englishman to score a few goals to be thrown straight into the first team, disrupting any sense of continuity for the existing players. Don't get me wrong, we shouldnt ignore your Jamie Vardy levels of form, but too many caps are handed out for relatively short runs of form. There needs to be a better balance. England should be run more like a club side. 2 players for each position, and you only bring someone new in if they're an improvement on an existing player. So what if your Marcus Rashfords don't get a cap till their mid twenties or even at all. It's up to the clubs to blood youth not the national team. We need the players who are at their peaks. Get out of my head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 22 June, 2016 Share Posted 22 June, 2016 Wheb was the last time we smashed even a rubbish team at a tournament? 1996? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Biscuits Posted 22 June, 2016 Share Posted 22 June, 2016 Seconded on the Wilshere/Henderson thing. Neither should be anywhere near the squad. I know Rooney has had a couple of good games so far but even he shouldn't be anywhere near the team. I definitely don't buy the 'we need experience' argument - his experience at Cup competitions for the national side has largely been a negative one. I really think the football side have so much to learn from the rugby side where no player is guaranteed a place and you definitely don't get picked if you are injured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 22 June, 2016 Share Posted 22 June, 2016 Going to be very tough next Monday for England in Nice Heatwave alert. Temperatures have risen to 35 C + and will rise further over the next 10 days. No they haven't. It's been fairly mild in the Med recently and it's only 24 degrees in Nice right now, at the hottest time of day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Biscuits Posted 22 June, 2016 Share Posted 22 June, 2016 Wheb was the last time we smashed even a rubbish team at a tournament? 1996? Ok so I had a quick look at the World Cup record for England. 1950 - knocked out in the group stages 1954 - knocked out by Uruguay in the Q/f 1958 - knocked out in the group stages 1962 - knocked out by Brazil in the q/f 1966 - won it 1970 - knocked out by Germany in the q/f 1974 - dnq 1978 - dnq 1982 - knocked out in the second round 1986 - q/f bloody Maradona 1990 - s/f out on penalties to West Germany 1994 - dnq 1998 - knocked out by Argentina in the round of 16 2002 - q/f knocked out by Brazil 2006 - q/f out on penalties to Portugal 2010 - absolutely schooled by Germany in the round of 16 2014 - knocked out in the group stages I haven't even looked at the UEFA competition yet but tbh I don't think I need to because this shows it all in painful reality. Apart from a few flashes of brilliance our national side has never been any good at competition level. We have been consistently beaten by the sides who have often made it to the final. Until that trend is changed we will never see England raise any cups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 22 June, 2016 Share Posted 22 June, 2016 The problem as I see it is that we don't seem to have a system that the players are familiar with. The formation changes depending on the players that we pick, but it should be the other way around. We should have a set up that suits how Roy (or hopefully someone else before long) wants us to play and pick the best players for each position. As it is we seem to keep chopping and changing to squeeze everyone in. Then we get the press/fans clamouring for the latest Englishman to score a few goals to be thrown straight into the first team, disrupting any sense of continuity for the existing players. Don't get me wrong, we shouldnt ignore your Jamie Vardy levels of form, but too many caps are handed out for relatively short runs of form. There needs to be a better balance. England should be run more like a club side. 2 players for each position, and you only bring someone new in if they're an improvement on an existing player. So what if your Marcus Rashfords don't get a cap till their mid twenties or even at all. It's up to the clubs to blood youth not the national team. We need the players who are at their peaks. Spot on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 22 June, 2016 Share Posted 22 June, 2016 Ok, this will throw the cat among the pigeons. Iceland 1 - 0 Austria Hungary 1 - 0 Portgual Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plastic Posted 22 June, 2016 Share Posted 22 June, 2016 Personally, I expect us to be playing Hungary as runners up of group F. Hopefully even Roy can muddle his way through that one. May have jumped the gun here Hungary winning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 22 June, 2016 Share Posted 22 June, 2016 There's definitely a huge psychological block now with England. All the time we see really good players turn rubbish, goalscorers look like they've never scored before, and we all know what happens with penalties. Just a product of underachievement for so long, but they have to let go at some stage. Spain had years of it too before something clicked. We aren't as good as they became, but we're far, far better than we've shown in the last 20 years. Yes that's my point. It's not that I'm expecting us to be the best, simply I want us to show the potential we have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrian lord Posted 22 June, 2016 Share Posted 22 June, 2016 And that encapsulates the decline of international football in one sentence. Elite club level is simply far better and has been for about a decade or so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 22 June, 2016 Share Posted 22 June, 2016 There's definitely a huge psychological block now with England. All the time we see really good players turn rubbish, goalscorers look like they've never scored before, and we all know what happens with penalties. Just a product of underachievement for so long, but they have to let go at some stage. Spain had years of it too before something clicked. We aren't as good as they became, but we're far, far better than we've shown in the last 20 years. I dunno, the only time we have won anything is when we had home advantage. We're just not very good at it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 22 June, 2016 Share Posted 22 June, 2016 WTF is going on here 2-1 Hungary 2-2 now 3-2 Hungary game of the tournament by a mile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 22 June, 2016 Share Posted 22 June, 2016 Oh, the sheer delight of seeing ronaldos reaction when that third one just went in. Still think that portugal will probably nick it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Munster Posted 22 June, 2016 Share Posted 22 June, 2016 No they haven't. It's been fairly mild in the Med recently and it's only 24 degrees in Nice right now, at the hottest time of day. I think he's referring to Nice, California. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 22 June, 2016 Share Posted 22 June, 2016 Absolutely, it's all anyone can do. This is why I get annoyed when after each tournament a lot of fans, pundits, sometimes even the FA suggest we're 'not good enough'. Until you've reached potential, that's irrelevant. You see teams we'd call not good enough perform well and do themselves proud every single tournament. Hungary 'aren't good enough' really, but they're all performing as well as possible and know their roles. Indeed and I look at the current rugby union coach and how he has transformed that team and I wonder somethibg similar can't happen with the football team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jawillwill Posted 22 June, 2016 Share Posted 22 June, 2016 Helluva game, this. Ronaldo is a dis-likable little **** whether he's playing well or badly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted 22 June, 2016 Share Posted 22 June, 2016 So England now playing Portugal as it stands. Hodgson being made to look like even more of a ****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iansums Posted 22 June, 2016 Share Posted 22 June, 2016 As it stands England v Portugal in the second round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Man Do Posted 22 June, 2016 Share Posted 22 June, 2016 Am I right in saying any goal in any of these two games will lead to us avoiding Portugal ending up as runners up? 3-3 1-1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 22 June, 2016 Share Posted 22 June, 2016 There's a crushing inevitability that we'd end up with Portugal. Brilliant. Come on any team! Score! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iansums Posted 22 June, 2016 Share Posted 22 June, 2016 (edited) Am I right in saying any goal in any of these two games will lead to us avoiding Portugal ending up as runners up? 3-3 1-1 Yep, any goal now and we avoid Portugal. You just know that we'll go out to Portugal now. Edited 22 June, 2016 by iansums Typo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasonb Posted 22 June, 2016 Share Posted 22 June, 2016 Yep, any goal now and we avoid Portugal. You just know that we'll go out to Portugal now. Portugal look leaky at the back. However, Ronnie looks to have found his form. It'll be a good game. 2-2 AET England out on pens. Damn! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 22 June, 2016 Share Posted 22 June, 2016 ANY TEAM HAVE SCORED!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasonb Posted 22 June, 2016 Share Posted 22 June, 2016 Portugal look leaky at the back. However, Ronnie looks to have found his form. It'll be a good game. 2-2 AET England out on pens. Damn! Maybe not. Well in the Icelanders!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 22 June, 2016 Share Posted 22 June, 2016 Iceland then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 22 June, 2016 Share Posted 22 June, 2016 Iceland it is then. What a set of 2 games that was! That's more like it, two teams going for it from the off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iansums Posted 22 June, 2016 Share Posted 22 June, 2016 I'm so negative about England that my first thought is that it will be even more embarrassing going out to Iceland Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 22 June, 2016 Share Posted 22 June, 2016 Perfect that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 22 June, 2016 Share Posted 22 June, 2016 Iceland then There's always that first time that England lose to a team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 22 June, 2016 Share Posted 22 June, 2016 There's always that first time that England lose to a team. It wouldn't surprise me - pressure will be on us and we struggle to break teams down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 22 June, 2016 Share Posted 22 June, 2016 Great result for us that, couldn't stand facing that smug **** Ronaldo again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 22 June, 2016 Share Posted 22 June, 2016 They'll put 10 behind the ball and we will break them down with our incisive attacking play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Man Do Posted 22 June, 2016 Share Posted 22 June, 2016 Won't just be mums who go out to Iceland now then ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Billy Posted 22 June, 2016 Share Posted 22 June, 2016 Would have preferred Portugal who's defence is horrendous. Iceland will be very defensive minded which is the sort of side we are strugglibg against. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 22 June, 2016 Share Posted 22 June, 2016 Would have preferred Portugal who's defence is horrendous. Iceland will be very defensive minded which is the sort of side we are strugglibg against. Nah. We would lose to Portugal because a) we always do and b) CR would step up and c) our defence/goalkeeper would let him win. Our record against nondescript teams in the second round/last 16 of tournaments is actually excellent - we only go out to big old recognised big nations. It's all good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 22 June, 2016 Author Share Posted 22 June, 2016 who have we got then? BBC just said Iceland Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 22 June, 2016 Share Posted 22 June, 2016 who have we got then? BBC just said Iceland That is correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 22 June, 2016 Author Share Posted 22 June, 2016 That is correct. Cheers. imagine if we go out to them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 22 June, 2016 Share Posted 22 June, 2016 Drab 1-0 win probably, then 2-1 loss to France. Hodgson new 2 year contract, job's a good un. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Boy Saint Posted 22 June, 2016 Share Posted 22 June, 2016 Nice for Iceland to stick it up Ronaldo and rob them of 2nd place...... Superb break away goal to win it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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