captainchris Posted 12 September, 2016 Share Posted 12 September, 2016 The players he had been left with you can hardly say it's entirely down him even if we are bottom in 10 games time.... Let's face it it is a poison Chalis this year and fair play to him for taking it on... Can barely be arssed to tune into it at all and even less offer critism of the Manager when the Directors have so completely managed to succeed in steadily dismantling a very good team. Hats off to them for some incredibly bad business management. Sell your best assets even in Monopoly and you won't win with Whitechapel and Old Kent Road! In football you need assets not cash. I feel for Puel ...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted 12 September, 2016 Share Posted 12 September, 2016 We aren't, as MLG will correctly inform you, we are 17th from top. Thanks to koeman (thrashing Sunderland away) we are not 18th from top tonight! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USA SaintsFan Posted 12 September, 2016 Share Posted 12 September, 2016 The players he had been left with you can hardly say it's entirely down him even if we are bottom in 10 games time.... Let's face it it is a poison Chalis this year and fair play to him for taking it on... Can barely be arssed to tune into it at all and even less offer critism of the Manager when the Directors have so completely managed to succeed in steadily dismantling a very good team. Hats off to them for some incredibly bad business management. Sell your best assets even in Monopoly and you won't win with Whitechapel and Old Kent Road! In football you need assets not cash. I feel for Puel ...... Captainchris in actually defending the manager shocker... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miltonaggro Posted 13 September, 2016 Share Posted 13 September, 2016 Spot on! I wasn't happy with the appointment of Puel and I've seen absolutely nothing that would change my opinion. I cringed when Eddie Howe was linked with the job but on reflection I honestly believe he'd have been a better appointment. At least he seems to be able to motivate players and he actually understands the English game. If the appointment of Puel wasn't disappointing enough, we then employed Eric Black! Any way, enough of that... Out of interest, what do people think about the point at which the club say that enough is enough? If we're 10 games in with 8-10 points and bottom of the group in the EL, what do they do? Act fast and try and salvage something from the season or persist and hope that he comes good? To be frank, I think that even if we are in the relegation spots at Christmas Krueger and Reed may attempt to 'tough it out' as sacking Puel will be an admission of mistake, and they are used to getting plaudits, not brickbats - at least it may see the end of this 'Southampton way' PR and 'blackbox' nonsense. For me, the most telling thing at the moment is not the formation or indeed the results, it's the players' body language and the bickering on the park. We were told (or perhaps spun) that Koeman had 'lost the dressing room' at one point last season, but I rarely recall his sides propelled by what looks like frustration, heads dropping, and senior players arguing with one another. Despite the sales, we still have some very good players, but are lacking drive and spark - Mane, Wanyama, and Pelle on their day, had that and as the weeks go by with Boufal sitting in the stands the pressure increases on him to be a saviour, not just a good player, more pressure. Our signings all look to have decent potential, but how many would have been automatic choices in last year's side or the year before that, per se? Puel may yet come good, and I hope he does. I am sure that he is a decent man trying his best, but today's English top flight is unique and unforgiving, requiring character and credibility as well as nous. I think the ten games point you mention is the point where we will be able to see with reasonably clarity where we might be headed with Puel and the players - expect activity and PR drive if that trajectory is upwards, and inactivity and stonewall silence, if it's downwards. Never a dull moment... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted 13 September, 2016 Share Posted 13 September, 2016 The worrying thing is even if we were are in or hovering dangerously close to the relegation zone at xmas I can't see the board accepting they've made a mistake with his appointment, I personally think they will stick with puel whatever the consequences are! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints boy in Leeds Posted 13 September, 2016 Share Posted 13 September, 2016 10 or so games in and I think we will have a much better idea of if he's going to work. It seems like we've been playing well in the last 2 or so games but have just been lacking in the final 3rd. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted 13 September, 2016 Share Posted 13 September, 2016 The worrying thing is even if we were are in or hovering dangerously close to the relegation zone at xmas I can't see the board accepting they've made a mistake with his appointment, I personally think they will stick with puel whatever the consequences are! Funnily enough I was discussing this with a friend at weekend - Reed had a fairly poor reputation, sacked by Charlton and the FA and has somewhat redeemed himself and built a decent reputation in football past 3-4 years especially. He gets a lot of credit (media) for buying and selling players at profit and seems to have avoided any blame for Osvaldo, Ramirez, Mayuka ect ect. He has now got this reputation for finding good managers and will be difficult and a real test for him to accept he got this one wrong (if in fact he has - time will tell) I’m with you - I think he will watch the ship go down rather than man up and accept this time he picked a dud. Hopefully he has more to him? He is not particularly experienced and we need not forget that he was hired to look after the youth Academy, Scouting and Recruitment and 6 years on he’s been quickly promoted to Executive Director of the Club and one of four members on the Board. It’s all happened very quickly and accepting defeat on something like Puel might be hard Has he sacked a manager before? Assume Nigel A was Cortese Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cat Posted 13 September, 2016 Share Posted 13 September, 2016 When we become the first team to win at Beer Sheva we'll all be singing Puel, Puel, Puel, Puel Claude is the king of Israel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notnowcato Posted 13 September, 2016 Share Posted 13 September, 2016 Funnily enough I was discussing this with a friend at weekend - Reed had a fairly poor reputation, sacked by Charlton and the FA and has somewhat redeemed himself and built a decent reputation in football past 3-4 years especially. He gets a lot of credit (media) for buying and selling players at profit and seems to have avoided any blame for Osvaldo, Ramirez, Mayuka ect ect. He has now got this reputation for finding good managers and will be difficult and a real test for him to accept he got this one wrong (if in fact he has - time will tell) I’m with you - I think he will watch the ship go down rather than man up and accept this time he picked a dud. Hopefully he has more to him? He is not particularly experienced and we need not forget that he was hired to look after the youth Academy, Scouting and Recruitment and 6 years on he’s been quickly promoted to Executive Director of the Club and one of four members on the Board. It’s all happened very quickly and accepting defeat on something like Puel might be hard Has he sacked a manager before? Assume Nigel A was Cortese Is this just a sequence of back handed compliments? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted 13 September, 2016 Share Posted 13 September, 2016 Rumours that Puel has had a huge bust up with tadic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 13 September, 2016 Share Posted 13 September, 2016 Rumours that Puel has had a huge bust up with tadic Henry signs for Chelsea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 13 September, 2016 Share Posted 13 September, 2016 Rumours that Puel has had a huge bust up with tadic what, again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katalinic Posted 13 September, 2016 Share Posted 13 September, 2016 Rumours that Puel has had a huge bust up with tadic Welcome to 3 weeks ago, it was complete ******** then and hasn't got any truer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted 13 September, 2016 Share Posted 13 September, 2016 I am behind the times haha, proven to be rubbish then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 13 September, 2016 Share Posted 13 September, 2016 what, again? On it in a flash Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 13 September, 2016 Share Posted 13 September, 2016 When we become the first team to win at Beer Sheva we'll all be singing Puel, Puel, Puel, Puel Claude is the king of Israel. I bloody hope so, that is amazing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted 15 September, 2016 Share Posted 15 September, 2016 We will see what Puel is made of tonight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 15 September, 2016 Share Posted 15 September, 2016 We will see what Puel is made of tonight �� He wont start will he? Surely its what the players are made of is`nt it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mallagroth Posted 15 September, 2016 Share Posted 15 September, 2016 Tadic loves a wobbly at any manager, it's just him, it isnt serious even if there was truth to it. We'll know it's serious when Tadic goes spouting off in the press here or abroad, because that's his style when he is ****ed off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New Forest Steve Posted 22 September, 2016 Share Posted 22 September, 2016 Thought it was about time this thread was revived. Lots of people were pretty scathing about CP's appointment at the start of the season. Comments like 'clueless', 'out of his depth', 'cheap option from a sh*t league' and 'toilet' spring to mind but there were many more. Still standing by these comments are we ? For me, Claude Puel's looking every bit the coach Les Reed assured us he would be. He's showing tactical nous, good with team selection and looks more than capable of coping with the pressure of the Premier League and our high expectations. On top of that he appears to be liked and respected by the players and he's giving the kids a go. On the negative, his interviews are dull but who gives a f*** !! I know it's early days but he looks like the real deal to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Ash Posted 22 September, 2016 Share Posted 22 September, 2016 I'm sure Batman will be along soon to tell us that he's still going to be sacked by Christmas... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-Fred Posted 22 September, 2016 Share Posted 22 September, 2016 Thought it was about time this thread was revived. Lots of people were pretty scathing about CP's appointment at the start of the season. Comments like 'clueless', 'out of his depth', 'cheap option from a sh*t league' and 'toilet' spring to mind but there were many more. Still standing by these comments are we ? For me, Claude Puel's looking every bit the coach Les Reed assured us he would be. He's showing tactical nous, good with team selection and looks more than capable of coping with the pressure of the Premier League and our high expectations. On top of that he appears to be liked and respected by the players and he's giving the kids a go. On the negative, his interviews are dull but who gives a f*** !! I know it's early days but he looks like the real deal to me. When you look at his past record , he has always improved the clubs he was at and his teams played good football. I had no doubt he would do a good job. Whether he can cut it against the superstar managers with unlimited budgets we will have to wait and see! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 22 September, 2016 Share Posted 22 September, 2016 On the negative, his interviews are dull but who gives a f*** !! I know it's early days but he looks like the real deal to me. tbf they are improving, as is his English. One of the biggest concerns I had was that if he came across as tongue tied and passionless in interviews then he might be the same on the training ground. If you can communicate well everything else becomes less difficult. We are still a goalscorer short, but whether that is his fault or not is moot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor Posted 22 September, 2016 Share Posted 22 September, 2016 Puel speaks good English for someone who hasn't lived or worked here as far as I know. His interviews are dull because he has a limited vocabulary and I'm sure that if he was speaking in French he would be saying a lot more and with more expression. Being exposed to the language every day will be a big help in bringing on his English but hopefully he isn't just relying on picking it up and is also getting professional help. Its not just about communicating through the media, but also being sure he gets complex messages over to the players, many of whom also don't have English as their first language. Eric Black will be helping but direct communication with the squad is obviously better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New Forest Steve Posted 22 September, 2016 Share Posted 22 September, 2016 tbf they are improving, as is his English. One of the biggest concerns I had was that if he came across as tongue tied and passionless in interviews then he might be the same on the training ground. If you can communicate well everything else becomes less difficult. We are still a goalscorer short, but whether that is his fault or not is moot. That was a big concern of mine as well but 7 games in, we don't seem to be lacking in passion and it hasn't taken long for the players to adapt to his system so he's obviously communicating with them well enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 22 September, 2016 Share Posted 22 September, 2016 Thought it was about time this thread was revived. Lots of people were pretty scathing about CP's appointment at the start of the season. Comments like 'clueless', 'out of his depth', 'cheap option from a sh*t league' and 'toilet' spring to mind but there were many more. Still standing by these comments are we ? For me, Claude Puel's looking every bit the coach Les Reed assured us he would be. He's showing tactical nous, good with team selection and looks more than capable of coping with the pressure of the Premier League and our high expectations. On top of that he appears to be liked and respected by the players and he's giving the kids a go. On the negative, his interviews are dull but who gives a f*** !! I know it's early days but he looks like the real deal to me. He is a good manager and develops players we have a good squad with young players who want to succeed so I think if we finish in the top ten get through to the next stage of the Europa League and do well in a Cup competition I think he will have done well then hopefully next season we could do really well as the squad will be more experienced . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bermuda Saint Posted 22 September, 2016 Share Posted 22 September, 2016 Puel has humbled many who thought they new better. The slagged off players will humble many negative posters. It is ok to be wrong, but to not learn from your mistakes is the real sin. Each manager has come and imposed their style, each time I have learned something. Peul is no different, his variations on the diamond, compact paying game will be a joy to watch, saw quite a few Nice games before he came and liked their style. If he can produce that kind of football, Barcelona, man c style!! I will learn even more. We can now see how the team is coming together Puel style! As they shed the Koman skin and embrace the new. The Manager,senior team, young players, results, cup draws.......all good!! And Boufal still to come! Can't even the most pessimistic fan crack a smile and sing "Saints go Marching in!!!!!!" Look out top 6, wez a comin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 23 September, 2016 Share Posted 23 September, 2016 http://m.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/14758816.Puel_s_trust_in_youngsters_is__brilliant__says_Saints_starlet/ "Claude Puel's trust in youngsters is "brilliant" says Saints starlet Harrison Reed" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 23 September, 2016 Share Posted 23 September, 2016 I thought it would be reasonable to make some sort of judgement of Puel at the end of September. I feared the worst after 2 lacklustre performances against Watford and Sunderland, but things are definitely looking better now. To me, we look to be playing more 4-3-3 than the dreaded diamond. Fair play to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rooney Posted 23 September, 2016 Share Posted 23 September, 2016 I also like the way he gets involved on the training ground unlike Koeman who simply stood about with a whistle in his mouth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faz Posted 23 September, 2016 Share Posted 23 September, 2016 I thought it would be reasonable to make some sort of judgement of Puel at the end of September. I feared the worst after 2 lacklustre performances against Watford and Sunderland, but things are definitely looking better now. To me, we look to be playing more 4-3-3 than the dreaded diamond. Fair play to him. There's a lot more going on than 4-3-3. Often you can only see it at live games, so for those who watch on tv (not a criticism) it's hard to see what position players are adopting when the ball is on the other side etc etc. The pattern of our play is definitely progressing. As has been shown already, we will dominate all but a few games this season - arguably we dominated at Old Trafford, and if we improve our goals to chances ration, we will finish top8 for definite, maybe 6th again. What I like is that even when we make wholesale changes to the team, positionaly everyone knows what is expected of them. Puel is a good coach. We're organised, efficient, and Boufal perhaps will provide the spark ( I think Redmond has what it takes too). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 23 September, 2016 Share Posted 23 September, 2016 The players he had been left with you can hardly say it's entirely down him even if we are bottom in 10 games time.... Let's face it it is a poison Chalis this year and fair play to him for taking it on... Can barely be arssed to tune into it at all and even less offer critism of the Manager when the Directors have so completely managed to succeed in steadily dismantling a very good team. Hats off to them for some incredibly bad business management. Sell your best assets even in Monopoly and you won't win with Whitechapel and Old Kent Road! In football you need assets not cash. I feel for Puel ...... Gotta love the bedwetters! By the way, is Chalis some kind of French wine? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 23 September, 2016 Share Posted 23 September, 2016 Gotta love the bedwetters! By the way, is Chalis some kind of French wine? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints foreva Posted 23 September, 2016 Share Posted 23 September, 2016 I also like the way he gets involved on the training ground unlike Koeman who simply stood about with a whistle in his mouth. It worked though didn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 23 September, 2016 Share Posted 23 September, 2016 It worked though didn't it? Erwin, was the active one so perhaps he deserves some credit too... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 23 September, 2016 Share Posted 23 September, 2016 Erwin, was the active one so perhaps he deserves some credit too... Appointed by the manager, reporting to the manager, the buck stops with the manager. So as said above, it worked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 23 September, 2016 Share Posted 23 September, 2016 Appointed by the manager, reporting to the manager, the buck stops with the manager. So as said above, it worked. I know you cant bear to be wrong but love a bit of pedantry as your such a clever little chappy Appointed by the club... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draino76 Posted 23 September, 2016 Share Posted 23 September, 2016 That potty chap at Spurs was pretty boring when he was here and Koeman did not say too much to excite me. To be honest, I can't think of a single footballer that has had anything interesting to say. Jason Puncheon is fun to listen to when he responds to every question with 'definitely'. This makes me laugh over a typical two minute period when a footballer has to speak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farawaysaint Posted 23 September, 2016 Share Posted 23 September, 2016 That potty chap at Spurs was pretty boring when he was here and Koeman did not say too much to excite me. To be honest, I can't think of a single footballer that has had anything interesting to say. Jason Puncheon is fun to listen to when he responds to every question with 'definitely'. This makes me laugh over a typical two minute period when a footballer has to speak. Joey Barton fancies himself as a philosopher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OttawaSaint Posted 23 September, 2016 Share Posted 23 September, 2016 Maybe we should get Strachan back, he always gave an interesting interview. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Bateman Posted 23 September, 2016 Share Posted 23 September, 2016 Maybe we should get Strachan back, he always gave an interesting interview. 'Arry. 'triffic at interviews. 'trffic lad, 'triffic signing. He's 50 years old, he's 'triffic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio Saint Posted 23 September, 2016 Share Posted 23 September, 2016 Obviously the wins help, albeit against lesser opposition, but I'm becoming very encouraged at the way the players have started to come together. They are looking like a team now, rather than a random bunch of guys all with their own ideas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ART Posted 23 September, 2016 Share Posted 23 September, 2016 Time to remind Claude what his name stands for: P = Please U =Use E = English L = Language Language aside we have a manager who really knows the game, who is active, inspires and believes in what he's doing. He's going to take us to new levels and into whole new realms of football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 23 September, 2016 Share Posted 23 September, 2016 U23s played the standard 4-2-3-1 at Charlton. So that means the club bring in a manager that brings in a new system that not all the players brought in for the old system suit and furthermore the academy and development sides won't play. Any players that come through the academy when they get into the first team squad will have to adapt to a completely different system. I thought the whole idea was to bring in managers that conformed to the club thinking so that there wouldn't have to be a rethink on the players needed and there would be continuity all the way through the club. I don't buy this assertion from Puel that to be able to play two games a week we have to play a diamond midfield and keep the ball when patently the full backs aren't good enough, the midfielders can't keep the ball and none of our strikers have a clue how to adapt. Most of our possession statistics come about knocking the ball around between the goalkeeper and the centre backs. If the first three games are anything to go by we aren't doing much saving of legs far from it. Few of the other teams that play in Europe if any play a diamond to save legs, they rotate their players. The problem is we are set up to play one competition whilst the better teams pretty much have two teams within their squads. We are going to have to make a success of this diamond pretty damn quick otherwise we are going to be out of the cups and struggling in the league. Then we won't need to save legs. How did we let ourselves get in this mess having identified continuity as the club plan? What do think now we are still in the League Cup and won our Europa League game and beat Swansea? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 23 September, 2016 Share Posted 23 September, 2016 I know you cant bear to be wrong but love a bit of pedantry as your such a clever little chappy Appointed by the club... So they appoint Ronald Koeman and then by a miraculous coincidence the senior leadership of the club just happened to appoint Erwin Koeman to the coaching team without any input whatsoever from the manager they'd just brought in. You really, really sure about that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 24 September, 2016 Share Posted 24 September, 2016 So they appoint Ronald Koeman and then by a miraculous coincidence the senior leadership of the club just happened to appoint Erwin Koeman to the coaching team without any input whatsoever from the manager they'd just brought in. You really, really sure about that? You are a strange one thats for sure. The club appointed both, they did not wait to ask Koeman " should we appoint your brother" they appointed both at same time Hth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 24 September, 2016 Share Posted 24 September, 2016 'Arry. 'triffic at interviews. 'trffic lad, 'triffic signing. He's 50 years old, he's 'triffic. 'Wheeler dealer?........Fck off!' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 24 September, 2016 Share Posted 24 September, 2016 You are a strange one thats for sure. The club appointed both, they did not wait to ask Koeman " should we appoint your brother" they appointed both at same time Hth He was clearly appointed as part of the Koeman package though, along with Jan. New managers are often asked who they want to bring in as their backroom staff, the club wouldn't have appointed Ewin if Koeman wasn't lined up to be our manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maggie May Posted 24 September, 2016 Share Posted 24 September, 2016 That potty chap at Spurs was pretty boring when he was here and Koeman did not say too much to excite me. To be honest, I can't think of a single footballer that has had anything interesting to say. Jason Puncheon is fun to listen to when he responds to every question with 'definitely'. This makes me laugh over a typical two minute period when a footballer has to speak. Players are trained not to say anything interesting. They follow the party line. That's why I never listen to official Saints interviews - dull as dishwater. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 24 September, 2016 Share Posted 24 September, 2016 You are a strange one thats for sure. The club appointed both, they did not wait to ask Koeman " should we appoint your brother" they appointed both at same time Hth They would not have appointed Erwin without Ronald. Ronald put his backroom team together, Ronald appointed Erwin Koeman to join him at Southampton. My recommendation to you is don't try and act the clever fu ck and correct me when you're thick as mince. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Create an account or sign in to comment
You need to be a member in order to leave a comment
Create an account
Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!
Register a new accountSign in
Already have an account? Sign in here.
Sign In Now