qwertyell Posted 23 July, 2022 Share Posted 23 July, 2022 Perhaps the Mara deal isn't as cut and dried as it appears. Doesn't look to me like he meets the WP requirements - only 12 points of the needed 15, according to those websites that calculate these things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 23 July, 2022 Share Posted 23 July, 2022 14 minutes ago, SuperSAINT said: I wonder if we have been getting our Man City loyalty card stamped? Im hoping if we sign Delap we get a McAtee on a loan for free! Guess we’ve lost our Chelsea loyalty card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 23 July, 2022 Share Posted 23 July, 2022 2 minutes ago, qwertyell said: Perhaps the Mara deal isn't as cut and dried as it appears. Doesn't look to me like he meets the WP requirements - only 12 points of the needed 15, according to those websites that calculate these things. Maybe it was Mara instead of Delap? I doubt we’ve announced a deal if we didn’t think we could complete it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 23 July, 2022 Share Posted 23 July, 2022 3 minutes ago, qwertyell said: Perhaps the Mara deal isn't as cut and dried as it appears. Doesn't look to me like he meets the WP requirements - only 12 points of the needed 15, according to those websites that calculate these things. Interesting 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revolution saint Posted 23 July, 2022 Share Posted 23 July, 2022 1 hour ago, Matthew Le God said: Athletic reported we had a bid for Delap turned down last month so this is either a rehash of that, or it’s a second bid. If it’s a second bid then we must feel it’s feasible to do a deal and I guess having Shields in place is informing that decision. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tajjuk Posted 23 July, 2022 Share Posted 23 July, 2022 Still seems to me that Mara is the second option after Delap. Man City don't seem to want to sell Delap and presumably contract situations means they can hold onto him more easily? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 23 July, 2022 Share Posted 23 July, 2022 3 minutes ago, tajjuk said: Still seems to me that Mara is the second option after Delap. Man City don't seem to want to sell Delap and presumably contract situations means they can hold onto him more easily? They must rate him highly if they are turning down £16 million for a lad who has basically no significant Prem League time under his belt. It does worry me that we are going with 2 untried strikers + Adams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwertyell Posted 23 July, 2022 Share Posted 23 July, 2022 33 minutes ago, Turkish said: Maybe it was Mara instead of Delap? I doubt we’ve announced a deal if we didn’t think we could complete it 12 points (if that's the actual number - big if) puts Mara in a bracket (10-14) where we can appeal to an Exceptions Panel. The outcome of that could go either way, I suppose We definitely announced him before we were ready to - Bordeaux jumped the gun and we had to follow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkSFC Posted 23 July, 2022 Share Posted 23 July, 2022 Looks like it will take around 20m then to get Delap. That's a good amount on a kid, it is usually us who sells the kids for that amount. I get why some are "concerned" by potentially not signing an "experienced" striker but actually it feels very exciting, even if the negative potential is perhaps higher. But on tbe basis they are as good as expected it could turn into a very exciting period for the club. With all these rumours flying around there's a very tiny and extremely optimistic part if me that is wondering if we ate going for Mara Delap AND Broja 🤣🤣 (I know it's mad!!) Need to shift quite a few soon to increase the buying power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Curse of St Mary's Posted 23 July, 2022 Share Posted 23 July, 2022 1 hour ago, qwertyell said: Perhaps the Mara deal isn't as cut and dried as it appears. Doesn't look to me like he meets the WP requirements - only 12 points of the needed 15, according to those websites that calculate these things. Be pretty stupid of us to not do homework on work permit before proceeding with a deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintBitterne Posted 23 July, 2022 Share Posted 23 July, 2022 Think it will be looking at both not an either/or situation with Delap and Mara 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusic Posted 23 July, 2022 Share Posted 23 July, 2022 I think we got Mara as we know City won't sell Delap permanently. Why would they when they know after a good loan his value will shoot up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 23 July, 2022 Share Posted 23 July, 2022 I think we'll get two strikers, one who is more of a natural number 9/target man type, and another who can play across the front and out wide if required. Mara fits the bill for the later, Delap fits the bill for the number 9 type. My argument is that I don't think the club will sign two kids for this position, I'd imagine one of the strikers will be someone in the 22/23 mould with a bit of league experience behind them. . I think '1' untried kid is fine, but two untried kids in the position which will make or break our season is a bit risky to say the least. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davefizzy14 Posted 23 July, 2022 Share Posted 23 July, 2022 2 minutes ago, S-Clarke said: I think we'll get two strikers, one who is more of a natural number 9/target man type, and another who can play across the front and out wide if required. Mara fits the bill for the later, Delap fits the bill for the number 9 type. My argument is that I don't think the club will sign two kids for this position, I'd imagine one of the strikers will be someone in the 22/23 mould with a bit of league experience behind them. . I think '1' untried kid is fine, but two untried kids in the position which will make or break our season is a bit risky to say the least. Who do you think we will target to get alongside Mara? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Convict Colony Posted 23 July, 2022 Share Posted 23 July, 2022 5 minutes ago, davefizzy14 said: Who do you think we will target to get alongside Mara? A bloke named Masi 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 23 July, 2022 Share Posted 23 July, 2022 1 minute ago, davefizzy14 said: Who do you think we will target to get alongside Mara? Honestly, I'd hope it would be someone like the guy from Sttuggart (Kalajdizc). Martin Terrier from Rennes. Dolberg from Nice. - Those sorts of players, not 'old', but with a few league seasons behind them and coming up to their mid 20's. I do have a somewhat uncomfortable feeling that we are going to risk it with a kid who hasn't ever played pro football though, as we have form for those transfers with Lavia, Tino etc. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daft Kerplunk Posted 23 July, 2022 Share Posted 23 July, 2022 11 minutes ago, davefizzy14 said: Who do you think we will target to get alongside Mara? Max? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davefizzy14 Posted 23 July, 2022 Share Posted 23 July, 2022 2 minutes ago, S-Clarke said: Honestly, I'd hope it would be someone like the guy from Sttuggart (Kalajdizc). Martin Terrier from Rennes. Dolberg from Nice. - Those sorts of players, not 'old', but with a few league seasons behind them and coming up to their mid 20's. I do have a somewhat uncomfortable feeling that we are going to risk it with a kid who hasn't ever played pro football though, as we have form for those transfers with Lavia, Tino etc. Yes Dolberg would be quality. Kalajdzic would be awesome. What about Dembele? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davefizzy14 Posted 23 July, 2022 Share Posted 23 July, 2022 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Convict Colony said: A bloke named Masi Masi who lol Edited 23 July, 2022 by davefizzy14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daft Kerplunk Posted 23 July, 2022 Share Posted 23 July, 2022 1 minute ago, S-Clarke said: Honestly, I'd hope it would be someone like the guy from Sttuggart (Kalajdizc). Martin Terrier from Rennes. Dolberg from Nice. - Those sorts of players, not 'old', but with a few league seasons behind them and coming up to their mid 20's. I do have a somewhat uncomfortable feeling that we are going to risk it with a kid who hasn't ever played pro football though, as we have form for those transfers with Lavia, Tino etc. It doesn’t look like PL experience is overly desirable to the current Saints leadership. With Delap, maybe the board are more able to deal/learn from the Broja situation, where we might have been able to buy him last year for £20m. If we get Delap, that might be it as it completes a strengthening of key areas, however untested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 23 July, 2022 Share Posted 23 July, 2022 2 minutes ago, Daft Kerplunk said: It doesn’t look like PL experience is overly desirable to the current Saints leadership. With Delap, maybe the board are more able to deal/learn from the Broja situation, where we might have been able to buy him last year for £20m. If we get Delap, that might be it as it completes a strengthening of key areas, however untested. It doesn't look like any real league experience in any country is desirable 😄 I don't have a problem with signing talent like this, it's exciting, but when you're working from an 'experienced' base of Adam Armstrong, Moussa, Elyonoussi it makes me somewhat nervous as we'd need these kids to hit the ground pretty quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralph Fastenbüttl Posted 23 July, 2022 Share Posted 23 July, 2022 23 minutes ago, S-Clarke said: My argument is that I don't think the club will sign two kids for this position, I'd imagine one of the strikers will be someone in the 22/23 mould with a bit of league experience behind them. Nothing we've seen from SR thus far suggests this will be the case. I'm positive they're aiming for Delap as our main option with Mara to come on from the bench - whether that's alongside Che or instead of remains to be seen. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 23 July, 2022 Share Posted 23 July, 2022 31 minutes ago, Ralph Fastenbüttl said: Nothing we've seen from SR thus far suggests this will be the case. I'm positive they're aiming for Delap as our main option with Mara to come on from the bench - whether that's alongside Che or instead of remains to be seen. Rightly or wrongly (and only time will tell on that) I agree with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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beatlesaint Posted 23 July, 2022 Share Posted 23 July, 2022 19 minutes ago, Ralph Fastenbüttl said: No mention of the rumoured new contract here or on the OS. Does that mean he hasn’t signed one or we log it with the Stephens and McCarthy non announcements? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevy777_x Posted 23 July, 2022 Share Posted 23 July, 2022 As Smallbone is gone for the season, I d love us to try and get Houssem Aouar, was linked to top clubs over last few season and has gone down the pecking order, with Real Betis trying to sign him last week. more of an 8 as a midfielder and a type of technical profile we don t have Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu Posted 23 July, 2022 Share Posted 23 July, 2022 (edited) I think he could have done a job for us this season but the game time he'll get at Stoke will probably be more beneficial. Edited 23 July, 2022 by Disco Stu 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 23 July, 2022 Share Posted 23 July, 2022 5 minutes ago, stevy777_x said: As Smallbone is gone for the season, I d love us to try and get Houssem Aouar, was linked to top clubs over last few season and has gone down the pecking order, with Real Betis trying to sign him last week. more of an 8 as a midfielder and a type of technical profile we don t have I'm sure you've done your research and he may or may not be a decent prospect, but I sometimes wonder if posters compete on here to find the most obscure name and player no one else has heard of. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Convict Colony Posted 23 July, 2022 Share Posted 23 July, 2022 2 minutes ago, Badger said: I'm sure you've done your research and he may or may not be a decent prospect, but I sometimes wonder if posters compete on here to find the most obscure name and player no one else has heard of. Funny you should mention that as I've been watching Samu Moses Phiri who is top scorer with the green buffalo's in the Zambian super league, great player could be a useful addition. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 23 July, 2022 Share Posted 23 July, 2022 2 minutes ago, Disco Stu said: I think he could have done a job for us this season but the gametime he'll get a Stoke will probably be more beneficial. Think he'd have been a League Cup player, and occasional being shoehorned into the team - possibly out of position - for a run out. Not sure even what his position is meant to be, or if he knows it yet. From the youtube clips and his Eire appearance he seems to have a bit more to offer this season than his performance last season (was it Watford ?) suggests. Totally agree that Stoke is a better option. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 23 July, 2022 Share Posted 23 July, 2022 Just now, Convict Colony said: Funny you should mention that as I've been watching Samu Moses Phiri who is top scorer with the green buffalo's in the Zambian super league, great player could be a useful addition. You need to add a # if you want that to be taken seriously... And can I be first to question if he's just Mayuka MK II ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevy777_x Posted 23 July, 2022 Share Posted 23 July, 2022 10 minutes ago, Badger said: I'm sure you've done your research and he may or may not be a decent prospect, but I sometimes wonder if posters compete on here to find the most obscure name and player no one else has heard of. Eh? Player no one has heard of? plays for Lyon, was linked to Arsenal, french international. Either this is a wind up or you have no knowledge of football outside england whatsoever 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 23 July, 2022 Share Posted 23 July, 2022 11 minutes ago, Convict Colony said: Funny you should mention that as I've been watching Samu Moses Phiri who is top scorer with the green buffalo's in the Zambian super league, great player could be a useful addition. Why were you watching the Zambian league?!!🤣 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manji Posted 23 July, 2022 Share Posted 23 July, 2022 1 hour ago, S-Clarke said: I think we'll get two strikers, one who is more of a natural number 9/target man type, and another who can play across the front and out wide if required. Mara fits the bill for the later, Delap fits the bill for the number 9 type. My argument is that I don't think the club will sign two kids for this position, I'd imagine one of the strikers will be someone in the 22/23 mould with a bit of league experience behind them. . I think '1' untried kid is fine, but two untried kids in the position which will make or break our season is a bit risky to say the least. Absolutely convinced your right. I fairly confident we have a slot for a more experienced striker if we dont get Broja. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pimpin4rizeal Posted 23 July, 2022 Share Posted 23 July, 2022 I’m really happy with either broja or delap.. re delap I’m not too bothered by the lack of experience he looks as top class as broja and livremento did. And is goal a game striker at youth level .. joe shields will also know all about him and he might even consider him superior to broja which would make him top value. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexLaw76 Posted 23 July, 2022 Share Posted 23 July, 2022 3 minutes ago, pimpin4rizeal said: I’m really happy with either broja or delap.. re delap I’m not too bothered by the lack of experience he looks as top class as broja and livremento did. And is goal a game striker at youth level .. joe shields will also know all about him and he might even consider him superior to broja which would make him top value. Can I ask....what makes you say this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pimpin4rizeal Posted 23 July, 2022 Share Posted 23 July, 2022 (edited) 28 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said: Can I ask....what makes you say this? Sure as a youth striker delap looks the best youth talent striker on the market Imo. You don’t score 32 goals in 32 games by accident, his goal record was above broja’s in youth football. when he got on fringes of city team he scored a great goal in cup , he’s big, not slow for a big man packs a shot and great movement. Joe shields also knows all about him if he’s convinced delap is say as good as broja or even close to this looks a mint signing.. im not the type that gets happy over every signing mara looks kinda meh for me but I think delap can be a absolute superb signing Edited 23 July, 2022 by pimpin4rizeal 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Billy Posted 23 July, 2022 Share Posted 23 July, 2022 26 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said: Can I ask....what makes you say this? Have you caught the MLG virus? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexLaw76 Posted 23 July, 2022 Share Posted 23 July, 2022 Just now, Saint Billy said: Have you caught the MLG virus? 😝 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danjosaint Posted 23 July, 2022 Share Posted 23 July, 2022 (edited) Oops Edited 23 July, 2022 by danjosaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tajjuk Posted 23 July, 2022 Share Posted 23 July, 2022 1 hour ago, Badger said: I'm sure you've done your research and he may or may not be a decent prospect, but I sometimes wonder if posters compete on here to find the most obscure name and player no one else has heard of. Aouar is pretty well known to be fair, IIRC the guy was in the last few years being linked with big moves to the likes of Liverpool and Arsenal. Seems to have not quite lived up to his early promise and had issues with his coaches. He's in the last year of his contract as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Convict Colony Posted 23 July, 2022 Share Posted 23 July, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Turkish said: Why were you watching the Zambian league?!!🤣 You laugh but i've got a stream for the seychelles v madagascar game, huge Indian ocean derby. I've been to both places but have to back the Pirates (seychelles) for this game although down 1-0 Edited 23 July, 2022 by Convict Colony 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 23 July, 2022 Share Posted 23 July, 2022 1 hour ago, pimpin4rizeal said: Sure as a youth striker delap looks the best youth talent striker on the market Imo. You don’t score 32 goals in 32 games by accident, his goal record was above broja’s in youth football. when he got on fringes of city team he scored a great goal in cup , he’s big, not slow for a big man packs a shot and great movement. Joe shields also knows all about him if he’s convinced delap is say as good as broja or even close to this looks a mint signing.. im not the type that gets happy over every signing mara looks kinda meh for me but I think delap can be a absolute superb signing Some good stuff on the vid. Like the fact he is more than willing to bring players around him in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex Lion Tamer Posted 23 July, 2022 Share Posted 23 July, 2022 I can't help thinking that Broja and Delap both having contracts until 2026 puts us in a weak position Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coalman Posted 23 July, 2022 Share Posted 23 July, 2022 2 hours ago, pimpin4rizeal said: as a youth striker delap looks the best youth talent striker on the market Imo. You don’t score 32 goals in 32 games by accident, his goal record was above broja’s in youth football. This. I think the only risk with Delap is over his injury record as he was out for quite a while. From the player perspective he doesn't really have a path into the City team with Haaland and Alvarez arriving but finds himself tied to a long term contract. I'd have thought it would be in City's and our interests to sell him to us for decent money with sell on clauses and buy back. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tajjuk Posted 23 July, 2022 Share Posted 23 July, 2022 2 hours ago, pimpin4rizeal said: Sure as a youth striker delap looks the best youth talent striker on the market Imo. You don’t score 32 goals in 32 games by accident, his goal record was above broja’s in youth football. when he got on fringes of city team he scored a great goal in cup , he’s big, not slow for a big man packs a shot and great movement. Joe shields also knows all about him if he’s convinced delap is say as good as broja or even close to this looks a mint signing.. im not the type that gets happy over every signing mara looks kinda meh for me but I think delap can be a absolute superb signing Looks like he scores quite a few goals there against Kelleher there doesn't he? Who Klopp raves about and has made a fair few appearances for Liverpools first team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miltonaggro Posted 23 July, 2022 Share Posted 23 July, 2022 2 hours ago, pimpin4rizeal said: Sure as a youth striker delap looks the best youth talent striker on the market Imo. You don’t score 32 goals in 32 games by accident, his goal record was above broja’s in youth football. when he got on fringes of city team he scored a great goal in cup , he’s big, not slow for a big man packs a shot and great movement. Joe shields also knows all about him if he’s convinced delap is say as good as broja or even close to this looks a mint signing.. im not the type that gets happy over every signing mara looks kinda meh for me but I think delap can be a absolute superb signing In those clips he reminds me a bit of Kevin Davies as a youngster for us, a real powerhouse and very direct, genuine goalscorer. Could be exactly what we've been crying out for. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 23 July, 2022 Share Posted 23 July, 2022 3 hours ago, pimpin4rizeal said: Sure as a youth striker delap looks the best youth talent striker on the market Imo. You don’t score 32 goals in 32 games by accident, his goal record was above broja’s in youth football. when he got on fringes of city team he scored a great goal in cup , he’s big, not slow for a big man packs a shot and great movement. Joe shields also knows all about him if he’s convinced delap is say as good as broja or even close to this looks a mint signing.. im not the type that gets happy over every signing mara looks kinda meh for me but I think delap can be a absolute superb signing he looks pretty slow. That doesn't mean he won't be effective. He certainly hits a decent ball. But Broja's combined pace and power brought something very different to the party, and something that opposing defenders struggled with. A big slow centre forward can be brilliant - we know that better than most - but the likes of Sir Ricky developed their technique over a number of years. Playing with your back to goal doesn't seem to be what he does best. Is he really a target man? Scoring 32 goals in that City youth team (that no doubt completely dominates other teams) is not the same as scoring goals for Saints in the Prem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SambaMaverick Posted 23 July, 2022 Share Posted 23 July, 2022 (edited) Redmond trained today but Ralph wanted a "smaller squad". Writing is on the wall for him, methinks. I think he's got a lot more about him than Elyonoussi, so that's a shame. Maybe he's a more saleable asset. Edited 23 July, 2022 by SambaMaverick 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FarehamSaintJames Posted 23 July, 2022 Share Posted 23 July, 2022 As much as it wasn’t a “must-win” I think the 0-0 has made me rethink what we need: A winger or two. Another midfielder. A striker. Urgently. We need players that can create and make a difference. A CB for when Bednarek leaves too. Realistically I only see a few more signings at most. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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