verlaine1979 Posted 23 June, 2015 Share Posted 23 June, 2015 Loftus-Cheek looked by far our best midfielder when he came on against Sweden. Both Chalobah and Carroll were pretty dire, so RLC and JWP should start ahead of them, but seeing how conservative Southgate's selections are, I doubt it'll happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Benali Posted 23 June, 2015 Share Posted 23 June, 2015 He was dropped not rested. He came off after 50 mins in the first game... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 23 June, 2015 Share Posted 23 June, 2015 He was dropped not rested. He came off after 50 mins in the first game... thats what i thought. If he was so crucial to the team he wouldnt have been dropped or rested after losing the first match ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 23 June, 2015 Share Posted 23 June, 2015 The trouble with JWP is off the ball really. He lacks physicality, aggression and runs like a toddler. The Portugal midfield went past him like a knife through butter the other night. The only thing he lacks really is pace. He is very slow. That causes a problem because it prevents him from getting close enough to put opponents under pressure, make interception or get tackles in. He works hard, gets behind the ball, but that is it. You have to force errors from opponents by applying pressure when they have the ball. He doesn't do that, making it far too easy for them. Wanyama, Morgan and Cork have all been amazing at doing this. We lose a little defensively when JWP plays, but if he can make up for it by doing more WITH the ball then perhaps it will be a price worth paying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintSteve Posted 23 June, 2015 Share Posted 23 June, 2015 was rested, dont think they will do it again though they where lucky to win the game.. missed JWP a lot during game against Sweden, his composure on the ball, his passing, can go as far as to say he holds the under 21 team together and keeps it ticking over tbh You live in a dream world...he was shocking against Sweden and there are four ahead of him in the squad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 23 June, 2015 Share Posted 23 June, 2015 I like JwP. but in the last 3-4 months or so he has been largely awful and now dropped from the U21 team. he has been managed in the media very well though as many default opinion is that he will go on to be like lampard and such like Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Billy Posted 23 June, 2015 Share Posted 23 June, 2015 Not sure Frank Lampard is the best comparison! A guy who made a career scoring goals from midfield, to a guy who, despite having some good qualities and being technically excellent, literally cannot stick the ball in the net no matter how easy it seems. Biggest area of his game to work on for me Plus, Lampard rarely overhit corners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 23 June, 2015 Share Posted 23 June, 2015 I like JwP. but in the last 3-4 months or so he has been largely awful and now dropped from the U21 team. he has been managed in the media very well though as many default opinion is that he will go on to be like lampard and such like I fear more Neil Maddison/Matt Oakley than Frank Lampard but sincerely hope I'm wrong ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Tone Posted 23 June, 2015 Share Posted 23 June, 2015 I fear more Neil Maddison/Matt Oakley than Frank Lampard but sincerely hope I'm wrong ! He's still only 20. He might fade, or falter, but there's also a chance he will yet develop into a full England international regular. One of the papers had an article on him recently, as the future England captain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simo Posted 23 June, 2015 Share Posted 23 June, 2015 Just a reminder the Ross Barkley is the best thing since sliced bread in some peoples eyes but never had a better season than Jwp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 23 June, 2015 Share Posted 23 June, 2015 He's still only 20. He might fade, or falter, but there's also a chance he will yet develop into a full England international regular. One of the papers had an article on him recently, as the future England captain. I think that is more to do with how he conducts himself and the exposure he gets to the press through the FA and Saints more than anything else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 23 June, 2015 Share Posted 23 June, 2015 I fear more Neil Maddison/Matt Oakley than Frank Lampard but sincerely hope I'm wrong ! Matt Oakley was a very good Premier League player so if JWP turns into that, then fine. Neil Maddison was not, really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 23 June, 2015 Share Posted 23 June, 2015 Plus, Lampard rarely overhit corners. of course, Frankie Boy has had a bit more experience than JWP- wouldn't you say ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 23 June, 2015 Share Posted 23 June, 2015 He's still only 20. He might fade, or falter, but there's also a chance he will yet develop into a full England international regular. One of the papers had an article on him recently, as the future England captain. some of us who are a bit longer in the tooth might say that it's not always the best player who gets to be Captain - it's often the best motivator, or "talker" on the pitch. ......" Future England captain" sounds a long way off, but let's see if he gets the nod after José packs it in ..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicestersaint Posted 23 June, 2015 Share Posted 23 June, 2015 The only thing he lacks is the ability to score goals - his goal-scoring record for us is truly shocking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Ash Posted 23 June, 2015 Share Posted 23 June, 2015 All jwp has to do is bang in a ton of deflected goals and Bob's your uncle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 23 June, 2015 Share Posted 23 June, 2015 Got to give credit to the Portugal players though, some of them would step into are first team tbh.. some very very talented players in that team! Sign them up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenue Saint Posted 23 June, 2015 Share Posted 23 June, 2015 The boy can undoubtedly strike a dead ball, but.... has 0 pace, cant tackle and is below average at hitting a MOVING ball. Pretty vital ingredients for a footballer. Thats all im saying. Sent from my SM-N9005 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 23 June, 2015 Share Posted 23 June, 2015 The only thing he lacks is the ability to score goals - his goal-scoring record for us is truly shocking. It really isn't the only thing he lacks. Without coming over all Spanish Inquisition, his weaknesses include pace, tacking ability, goals and defensive positioning. However, on the plus side he is apparently a top class impersonator, a dead ringer for Nige. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faz Posted 23 June, 2015 Share Posted 23 June, 2015 I do hope this thread is retrievable in a couple of years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 23 June, 2015 Share Posted 23 June, 2015 I do hope this thread is retrievable in a couple of years we are commenting on the here and now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericb Posted 23 June, 2015 Share Posted 23 June, 2015 I do hope this thread is retrievable in a couple of years Wooton is better than Morgan don't you know Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
verlaine1979 Posted 23 June, 2015 Share Posted 23 June, 2015 It really isn't the only thing he lacks. Without coming over all Spanish Inquisition, his weaknesses include pace, tacking ability, goals and defensive positioning. However, on the plus side he is apparently a top class impersonator, a dead ringer for Nige. Bearing in mind your staunch defence of another player most of those criticisms can be levelled at, I find your dismissal of JWP rather odd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Billy Posted 23 June, 2015 Share Posted 23 June, 2015 of course, Frankie Boy has had a bit more experience than JWP- wouldn't you say ? Agreed, but can we afford to waste these opportunities whilst Jwp is perfecting his art. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintSteve Posted 23 June, 2015 Share Posted 23 June, 2015 I do hope this thread is retrievable in a couple of years In the here and now, JWP is lucky to be in the match day squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 23 June, 2015 Share Posted 23 June, 2015 I do hope this thread is retrievable in a couple of years What like the Jake Thomson is the next Theo Walcott thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faz Posted 23 June, 2015 Share Posted 23 June, 2015 What like the Jake Thomson is the next Theo Walcott thread. No, not really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faz Posted 23 June, 2015 Share Posted 23 June, 2015 we are commenting on the here and now Are "we"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lets B Avenue Posted 23 June, 2015 Share Posted 23 June, 2015 All jwp has to do is bang in a ton of deflected goals and Bob's your uncle. I thought it was Harry? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex Lion Tamer Posted 23 June, 2015 Share Posted 23 June, 2015 How many assists did he get last season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alwill Posted 23 June, 2015 Share Posted 23 June, 2015 Wasnt he dropped from the U21 side last night ? I saw JWP in the England team hotel in olomouc before the sweden match and he just ignored me as the team walked past to get on the coach. Looked very ****ed off not to be playing to be fair, the rest of the team seemed far more upbeat. Target was a bit shocked I knew who he was when he stopped and had a brief chat with me. I'm going to be at the Italy game tomorrow night so hopefully JWP will be as nice as target was on Sunday and say hello to a fellow Saint. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 23 June, 2015 Share Posted 23 June, 2015 How many assists did he get last season? 6 in the Premier League, pretty good for a 20 year old midfielder from 16 starts and having his season disrupted by injury from September to December. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igsey Posted 14 July, 2015 Share Posted 14 July, 2015 Looks like he may have bulked up a bit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 14 July, 2015 Share Posted 14 July, 2015 Its always a "big" season for every player, but JWP definitely has something to prove IMO. His 4th PL season, and whilst he is still young, he hasn't improved massively in that time in terms of influence on the game. Still not in my first choice XI. Personally feel he would be better served if the club reduced the hype around him a little until he has earned it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 14 July, 2015 Share Posted 14 July, 2015 Its always a "big" season for every player, but JWP definitely has something to prove IMO. His 4th PL season, and whilst he is still young, he hasn't improved massively in that time in terms of influence on the game. Still not in my first choice XI. Personally feel he would be better served if the club reduced the hype around him a little until he has earned it. How many 20 year olds can you name that are regular starters for top half teams in the Premier League? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maysie Posted 14 July, 2015 Share Posted 14 July, 2015 How many 20 year olds can you name that are regular starters for top half teams in the Premier League? What is your actaul point there? So confrontational.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
austsaint Posted 14 July, 2015 Share Posted 14 July, 2015 How many 20 year olds can you name that are regular starters for top half teams in the Premier League? I think this will be the season that JWPs media managed profile will come under intense scrutiny. It will no longer be enough for him to be young, have potential and "technical skills" with a dead ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faz Posted 14 July, 2015 Share Posted 14 July, 2015 A great talent imo. I look forward to seeing him realise his potential this year. Although he has another year or two of physical development before we see his full impact. Interesting to see the photo of a young Morgan Schniederlin and how much he developed physically, and what that did for his game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 14 July, 2015 Share Posted 14 July, 2015 A great talent imo. I look forward to seeing him realise his potential this year. Although he has another year or two of physical development before we see his full impact. Interesting to see the photo of a young Morgan Schniederlin and how much he developed physically, and what that did for his game. Well, we've been saying that every year since he broke into the team. He has developed a lot physically in terms of bulk but he still lacks aggression and his general pace and athleticism isn't up to much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintLiam Posted 14 July, 2015 Share Posted 14 July, 2015 His progession and development with England wasn't exactly helped by Southgate only playing him for 45 mins at the Euros, in favour of players which will obviously have no future with England like Chalobah or Hughes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 14 July, 2015 Share Posted 14 July, 2015 His progession and development with England wasn't exactly helped by Southgate only playing him for 45 mins at the Euros, in favour of players which will obviously have no future with England like Chalobah or Hughes. Well to be fair he was kind of atrocious in the first game and got dropped for the other 2. Needs to step up to the plate for Saints straightaway this season or be loaned out to gain in leadership and responsibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BotleySaint Posted 14 July, 2015 Share Posted 14 July, 2015 Should be a great season for JWP to make his mark. He's still only 20. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeBizzier69 Posted 14 July, 2015 Share Posted 14 July, 2015 I think we all know that if anyone can bring out the true potential in JWP........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simo Posted 14 July, 2015 Share Posted 14 July, 2015 Well to be fair he was kind of atrocious in the first game and got dropped for the other 2. Needs to step up to the plate for Saints straightaway this season or be loaned out to gain in leadership and responsibility. And everyone else had a good game ? England never conceded until he was subbed ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 14 July, 2015 Share Posted 14 July, 2015 Should be a great season for JWP to make his mark. He's still only 20. God knows what people will do after November 1st. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Benali Posted 14 July, 2015 Share Posted 14 July, 2015 If he plays like he has from Xmas he will be dropped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwbu Posted 14 July, 2015 Share Posted 14 July, 2015 Feel like I'm in a parallel universe where for a change we as fans are actually playing down the quality of one of our players, whilst the rest of the country is hyping them up. Usually I'm saying how [...] is good enough to play for England and being laughed at, whereas I find myself saying to people if JWP was called up to the senior England side then I'd be a bit disappointed as I don't think he's really done a lot. I do like him however, and I do think there is a lot more to come, I just find his inability to score from open play a real irritation, especially when him and Steven Davis are playing in the same 11. Hopefully once he gets the first from open play then they will start flowing, to be fair to him I don't see him miss the target all that often, just hit them straight at a keeper or defender instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom & Gerry Posted 14 July, 2015 Share Posted 14 July, 2015 Scoring goals in the Premier League is massively difficult. I just think with experience it will come for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 5 October, 2015 Share Posted 5 October, 2015 Article on the OS about JWP hitting 100 appearences: http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/news/article/20151005-james-ward-prowse-100-appearances-southampton-2729081.aspx? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 5 October, 2015 Share Posted 5 October, 2015 If he stays his entire career could be looking at 600-700 appearances for the club. I think he's got a fantastic career ahead of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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