BERMUDASAINT Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 Sully is a strange one, so strange that RM admitted hes has never played with or coached a player like him. I am sure he is a player with pace and skill to beat any player, even a whole team at times. Stand and watch as he tries this over and over....this is the problem, the TEAM stops when Sully is on the ball, no point in moving in for a pass, a one- two.. he rarely passes. The single mindness to beat his winger and drive to the box leaves no room for variations. The thought of playing triangles up the field is lost on him. Thus RM is perplexed on how to play him as he is so single minded in charging forward on his own. Sully is brilliant at beating a player, i noticed how our players are looking to get the ball to him as much as possible, sometimes forcing the pass and bypassing the triagle we work on to move the ball up the field. I think they see him in training and know he can beat players for fun with his pace and skill. BUT as others have said he is playing for himself, not as a team. Hopefully he can show he can be a team player, looking for the pass, looking to defend and looking to score from a team effort! 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pamplemousse Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 I wonder if we'll see less of him for the next few games due to Ramadan. I'd be surprised if he starts any time soon tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cabrone Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 I like him but he's still pretty raw. As others have said if he could start putting some end product on that raw talent he'd be a hell of a player. He has certainly no problems getting around defenders. Not sure RM trusts him though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pimpin4rizeal Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 I think In a way he’s been very unlucky.. when he got injured he was actually first choice. Since then Arma has been immense on one wing, Fraser took his chance well and now we also have brooks as well as edozie with Fraser and brooks you get a ton of end product, frasers shooting is superb and brooks plays killer passes. In a season where every result is crucial they are safer picks. But it’s good that we have a different kind of weapon for when we need it .. i think Martin is tending to prefer the reliable pros for the here and now over utilising our players With the highest ceilings .. same applies to alcaraz and maybe you could add Sam amo.. I can’t blame Martin for doing what’s best for promotion but it’s not been a season that helps our brightest young talents Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 (edited) 1 hour ago, pimpin4rizeal said: Since then Arma has been immense on one wing, 😂😂 immense Edited March 11 by Lord Duckhunter 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintTex Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 (edited) On 10/03/2024 at 07:05, HKsaint said: He is an expensive Djenepo hadn't thought of Djenepo in quite awhile. Took a look. He is not exactly tearing it up in Belgium. 22 appearances 1432 minutes 1 goal 0 assists As far as Sulemana - for those who are saying he needs a run of starts under his belt ; can we risk that? I am of the opinion a player has to earn his start with the chances given to him, whether it be performance on the training ground or precious minutes during a match. He has certainly not earned it based on the 20 minutes he is getting on the pitch nearly every match. And i am guessing RM is not exactly seeing a goal machine on the training ground either. Edited March 11 by SaintTex 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SotonianWill Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 1 hour ago, Lord Duckhunter said: 😂😂 immense What if I told you it was the right wing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 On 11/03/2024 at 20:25, SotonianWill said: What if I told you it was the right wing. Christ don’t get Soggy started again 🤦 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waylander Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 Would be a helluva player if he used his left foot for more than standing on 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 On 11/03/2024 at 17:45, pimpin4rizeal said: I think In a way he’s been very unlucky.. when he got injured he was actually first choice. Since then Arma has been immense on one wing, Fraser took his chance well and now we also have brooks as well as edozie with Fraser and brooks you get a ton of end product, frasers shooting is superb and brooks plays killer passes. In a season where every result is crucial they are safer picks. But it’s good that we have a different kind of weapon for when we need it .. i think Martin is tending to prefer the reliable pros for the here and now over utilising our players With the highest ceilings .. same applies to alcaraz and maybe you could add Sam amo.. I can’t blame Martin for doing what’s best for promotion but it’s not been a season that helps our brightest young talents Martin is a plodder and associates himself best with other plodders. A Saints team full of plodders will plod. He can't handle skilful players. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeBizzier69 Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 I agree with what Glen said on the podcast......for those who listen to it. Chuck him down the middle for the last 10-15 mins, and get him to do some Walcott-esque kick and chase. All that pace, which is still his biggest asset. Mind you, now i've said that it's clearly not how we'll ever play under Rusty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 4 hours ago, Charlie Wayman said: Martin is a plodder and associates himself best with other plodders. A Saints team full of plodders will plod. He can't handle skilful players. Apart from Brooks, Edozie, Fraser, Armstrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pimpin4rizeal Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 7 hours ago, Charlie Wayman said: Martin is a plodder and associates himself best with other plodders. A Saints team full of plodders will plod. He can't handle skilful players. Hehe a bit harsh maybe .. I do however think he has definitely preferred experience to youth . in a year where we are chasing promotion I won’t argue against it too much but the likes of sulemana alcaraz edozie Charles dibling haven’t really broken through under him ., and I think that’s more to do with preferring experience to them being not good enough 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 21 hours ago, pimpin4rizeal said: but the likes of sulemana alcaraz edozie Charles dibling haven’t really broken through under him ., and I think that’s more to do with preferring experience to them being not good enough They have all been given opportunities (to a lesser extent Dibling) during the season, but the more experienced players have generally performed better - which is why they are being selected now. It's not as though Fraser walked into the side. Edozie and Sulemena were picked ahead of him as they were playing better, but Fraser's goals made it hard to not pick him. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pimpin4rizeal Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 2 hours ago, Chez said: They have all been given opportunities (to a lesser extent Dibling) during the season, but the more experienced players have generally performed better - which is why they are being selected now. It's not as though Fraser walked into the side. Edozie and Sulemena were picked ahead of him as they were playing better, but Fraser's goals made it hard to not pick him. You are correct with all of this .but I still think martin has certainly favoured experience for the here and now over fully unleashing some of our young players .. I mean In the attacking winger positions we could have probably not even brought Fraser and brooks in at all if we wanted to and used sulemana edozie Sam amo and dibling. The main conflict here is whilst brooks and Fraser have been great you could argue they are blocking the devolopement of the other 4. Charles was a expensive youngster but mainly on the bench meghoma only getting cup games And alcaraz let go because Martin preferred stuey.. as I said it’s a promotion chasing season so I don’t really have a problem with martins approach here but I do think it’s fair to say he’s favouring experience and loan players who are not ours over some really high potential youngsters 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 17 hours ago, pimpin4rizeal said: I do think it’s fair to say he’s favouring experience and loan players who are not ours over some really high potential youngsters !00% Exactly the point I was making. It's short sighted and will have consequences in the summer. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainchris Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 On 12/03/2024 at 21:56, waylander said: Would be a helluva player if he used his left foot for more than standing on This precisely. He should be put on his own in training kicking a ball against a wall for month with only his left foot. Then moving onto ball exercises with left foot only. He might be able to take part after that. I cannot understand how you can pick a player who has his head permanently down and is totally one footed. Surely we should be coaching him first… 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SambaMaverick Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 1 hour ago, Charlie Wayman said: !00% Exactly the point I was making. It's short sighted and will have consequences in the summer. Get real mate. Sulemana isn't good enough and the youngsters are worse - we are trying to get promoted here! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pimpin4rizeal Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 2 hours ago, SambaMaverick said: Get real mate. Sulemana isn't good enough and the youngsters are worse - we are trying to get promoted here! I don’t believe this .. many people on here was raving about Sam amo Being our best prospect since bale,, likewise people raved over dibling in the cup.. sulemana was preferred over doku by many of the fans at his last club .. and alcaraz was arguably our best player in the premiership at the back end of last season.. i agree we are going for promotion but to make out they are all rubbish is wrong 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SambaMaverick Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 6 minutes ago, pimpin4rizeal said: I don’t believe this .. many people on here was raving about Sam amo Being our best prospect since bale,, likewise people raved over dibling in the cup.. sulemana was preferred over doku by many of the fans at his last club .. and alcaraz was arguably our best player in the premiership at the back end of last season.. i agree we are going for promotion but to make out they are all rubbish is wrong I'm not saying they are rubbish but if you can't see that Fraser and Brooks are streets ahead then I don't know what to tell you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pimpin4rizeal Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 6 hours ago, SambaMaverick said: I'm not saying they are rubbish but if you can't see that Fraser and Brooks are streets ahead then I don't know what to tell you. “Isn’t good enough and the youngsters are worse” is a bit like saying they are rubbish. im not really arguing about who’s better here more the fact that out of a pool of cracking looking young players such as alcaraz,sully,Sam amo, dibling,Charles,meghoma can you say any of them have come on leaps and bounds under russ ? they have had some chances sure but I think the depth in front of them is probably hindering their progress somewhat .. nathan tella wasn’t doing doing much for us while here albeit in a higher league but came totally good when getting week in week out game time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SambaMaverick Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 What a fucking joke this is. Waste of space. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintNewForest Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 He's shite and has a stinking attitude to match. There's clearly a reason he isn't fancied. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintTex Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 His poetry is better than his football.... and his poetry is awful. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toussaint Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 Useless little prick 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 2 hours ago, SambaMaverick said: What a fucking joke this is. Waste of space. “Put me in a box and I’ll pick dem locks 100 time” 22 championship teams confirm this statement to be incorrect 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 Record signing? Lol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Convict Colony Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 Saving it all for the playoff final extra time winner 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 He's another one who thinks he's better than he is, one decent match in all the time he's been here and that was only to try and impress Klippity Klopp ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FarehamSaintJames Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 Expectation: Sadio Mané potential Reality: Arguably worse than Moussa Djenepo 😂 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 24 minutes ago, FarehamSaintJames said: Expectation: Sadio Mané potential Reality: Arguably worse than Moussa Djenepo 😂 Djenepo was a lot better. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpsaint Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 14 hours ago, SambaMaverick said: What a fucking joke this is. Waste of space. State of this. He went to the same school of ‘arrogant with low talent’ as Lemina and Hoedt. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 Just now, bpsaint said: State of this. He went to the same school of ‘arrogant with low talent’ as Lemina and Hoedt. Like them he likes the smell of his own farts !! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 2 minutes ago, beatlesaint said: Like them he likes the smell of his own farts !! Not just me then🤭 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BotleySaint Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 Can anyone remember a record signing that actually worked out? It seems the more money we spend, the bigger the flop. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FarehamSaintJames Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 43 minutes ago, BotleySaint said: Can anyone remember a record signing that actually worked out? It seems the more money we spend, the bigger the flop. Agreed, the £10-12M ball park seemed to be our best buys. Tadic, Mané, even Pellè was less than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintStinger Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 If Liverpool had anything to play for in the last game last season he would be on zero goals in 43 appearances. What a disappointment he's been. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IFHP Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 14 hours ago, SaintNewForest said: He's shite and has a stinking attitude to match. There's clearly a reason he isn't fancied. 100 % agree . He didn’t want to be here the moment we got relegated. Hopefully some mug will take him in the summer . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SambaMaverick Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 2 hours ago, Whitey Grandad said: Djenepo was a lot better. At least he had a bit of fight about him!! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OttawaSaint Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 Hasn't scored a single goal in the Championship. When he unlocks a defence he puts another lock on and then wastes time picking that one too. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmes_and_Watson Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 6 minutes ago, OttawaSaint said: Hasn't scored a single goal in the Championship. When he unlocks a defence he puts another lock on and then wastes time picking that one too. He did say he picks 100 locks. That'll be in every move. By the time he's done that, we've lost the ball and probably conceded at the other end.🙂 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 2 hours ago, BotleySaint said: Can anyone remember a record signing that actually worked out? It seems the more money we spend, the bigger the flop. Danny Ings? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BotleySaint Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 10 minutes ago, Turkish said: Danny Ings? Ah yes, I think the final fee was claimed to be £20m which put him above Carillo at £19m. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 1 minute ago, BotleySaint said: Ah yes, I think the final fee was claimed to be £20m which put him above Carillo at £19m. I think aside from him you have to go back to David Armstrong for anyone that’s been consistently good. Jay Rodriguez was our record signing for a couple of of months before we signed Ramirez and was decent until his injury. He’s the only one I can think of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Mulgrew Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 Have we forgotten the donkey who cost c.£4million and went on to play for Stoke and develop a long throw?😉 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benali-shorts Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 5 hours ago, Turkish said: I think aside from him you have to go back to David Armstrong for anyone that’s been consistently good. Jay Rodriguez was our record signing for a couple of of months before we signed Ramirez and was decent until his injury. He’s the only one I can think of. Alan McLoughlin and Prutton join the list of disappointing ones. Who was the next most expensive one after Proton? Delgado? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 8 hours ago, BotleySaint said: Can anyone remember a record signing that actually worked out? It seems the more money we spend, the bigger the flop. It's certainly slim pickings, as others have said Ings is the only real stand out @ £20m in recent years. I think it just goes to show how utterly woeful our scouting has been on our 'key, make a difference' signings. We could make an 11 out of big money signings who we've had to give away for free. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baird of the land Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 I’ve definitely been beyond disappointed by his output this season. The moments where he looked a threat last season were quick breaks. Not sure our current style suits him but you’d still expect some output. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osvaldorama Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 It’s mad 😂 I am 100% confident that I could do a better job than our scouting team if I was paid to find good footballers. Who the fuck was watching Carrillo, Tall paul, Sulemana, Mara, Djenepo etc, etc, etc and thinking “yeah they’ve got enough quality to make a difference in the premier league”. Truly awful players. Would Mara even get into our league one side from a few years ago? I’d argue no chance 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErwinK1961 Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 1 hour ago, S-Clarke said: It's certainly slim pickings, as others have said Ings is the only real stand out @ £20m in recent years. I think it just goes to show how utterly woeful our scouting has been on our 'key, make a difference' signings. We could make an 11 out of big money signings who we've had to give away for free. Bazunu, Lyanco, Hoedt, Vestergaard, Perraud, Diallo, Lemina, Moi, Sulemana, Carillo, Onuachu. Gunn, Caleta-Car, Bella-Kotchap, Salisu, Charles, Boufal, Mara, Djenepo, Stewart We’ll never know exact figures, but by my reckoning that’s c. £270m spent… with next to nothing in return. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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