EBS1980 Posted 15 May, 2023 Share Posted 15 May, 2023 Thought it would be easier to have a separate thread for outgoings given there could/should be plenty leaving. bit early to be looking out loans out imo, players should be sold ideally. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy Posted 15 May, 2023 Share Posted 15 May, 2023 Why would we deal with Fenerbahce when we’re already a feeder club to Goztepe in Turkey? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 15 May, 2023 Share Posted 15 May, 2023 14 minutes ago, Chewy said: Why would we deal with Fenerbahce when we’re already a feeder club to Goztepe in Turkey? Who pays the highest wages as loans no good apart from those especially if we have to pay a chunk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnceaSaintalwaysaSaint Posted 15 May, 2023 Share Posted 15 May, 2023 Perhaps a sweepstake on the first three out the door? My first three would be Diallo, KWP & ABK (Lavia will be later). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee On Solent Saint Posted 15 May, 2023 Share Posted 15 May, 2023 2 minutes ago, OnceaSaintalwaysaSaint said: Perhaps a sweepstake on the first three out the door? My first three would be Diallo, KWP & ABK (Lavia will be later). Orsic, Salisu and ABK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnceaSaintalwaysaSaint Posted 15 May, 2023 Share Posted 15 May, 2023 6 minutes ago, Lee On Solent Saint said: Orsic, Salisu and ABK Yep, Salisu a much more realistic shout for an early exit - especially after his twitter comments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Behind Enemy Lines Posted 15 May, 2023 Share Posted 15 May, 2023 Going by how he’s been playing the last few weeks/months, I’d bet KWP already had a deal lined up should we be relegated. It would explain his performances. Why try hard, when, if your team is relegated, you get a pay rise and stay in the top division?! 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killers Knee Posted 15 May, 2023 Share Posted 15 May, 2023 Who I want to stay: Bazunu Lyanco Lavia Alcaraz Sully Tall Paul Edozie The rest can all go. 2 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
disconnect Posted 15 May, 2023 Share Posted 15 May, 2023 We should build the team around Sulemana, Edozie and Alcaraz (and possibly Mara and/or Tella) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pwoite Posted 15 May, 2023 Share Posted 15 May, 2023 I think Sully is an inexperienced version of Redmond, with similar lack of end product. Tall Paul unimpresses, and I know the counter arguments about service. Edozie is too light weight. And there is as much chance of Lavia staying as me getting a call up for England! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Matty 76 Posted 15 May, 2023 Share Posted 15 May, 2023 JWP, Lavia, ABK, Salisu, Che (if he goes) and KWP are the 6 I'm confident we'll sell and get a fee for. Players like Onuachu, Orsic, Aribo, DCC, Bednarek & Diallo are the ones who I'm worried will end up on our books for a while whilst we're paying the majority of their wages out on loan. Not particularly sure on what to make of what'll happen to Sulemana, as he could definitely play a part for us and I don't see why we'd entertain selling for what'd likely be half of what we just paid, let alone a loan move. Livramento, Stephens, Sulemana, Edozie, Smallbone, Tella, Alcaraz, Che and Mara are the (realistic) players I'd want us to keep as of right now. There's a few others who I'd be happy to have stick around (Bazunu, Perraud, Lyanco, Bednarek, S. Armstrong(?), Djenepo...) but also couldn't give a shit if they don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Appy Posted 15 May, 2023 Share Posted 15 May, 2023 Couldn’t care less who goes, they’re all a bunch of wasters. The ones with talent will be out of the door, we’ll be stuck with garbage like AA, Lyanco and Bednarek 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toussaint Posted 16 May, 2023 Share Posted 16 May, 2023 7 hours ago, Appy said: Couldn’t care less who goes, they’re all a bunch of wasters. The ones with talent will be out of the door, we’ll be stuck with garbage like AA, Lyanco and Bednarek Bednarek has been pretty good imo, and appears to give a damn which was sadly lacking in many others. More than happy to have a cb pairing of Bednarek and Stephens, with Lyanco and one other. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 16 May, 2023 Share Posted 16 May, 2023 2 hours ago, Toussaint said: Bednarek has been pretty good imo, and appears to give a damn which was sadly lacking in many others. More than happy to have a cb pairing of Bednarek and Stephens, with Lyanco and one other. Bednarek? Watch again Fulham’s first goal on Saturday. Lyanco runs across to confront Reed and makes a hash of it and Bednarek rushes across to join him leaving Vinicius and Willian completely unmarked on the edge of our goal area but he slips up and falls on his arse for some reason. He does that a lot. To make matters worse McCarthy has also gone across to his near post. What is it about giving opposition players the freedom of our penalty area? Maybe they didn’t notice them because of their black kit. It was Keystone Cops defending. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Appy Posted 16 May, 2023 Share Posted 16 May, 2023 2 hours ago, Toussaint said: Bednarek has been pretty good imo, and appears to give a damn which was sadly lacking in many others. More than happy to have a cb pairing of Bednarek and Stephens, with Lyanco and one other. He’s given a damn far too late, look at our defensive record recently, he hasn’t been pretty good, Lyanco is god awful too, I don’t get why people want these wasters to stick around. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barsiem Posted 16 May, 2023 Share Posted 16 May, 2023 My predictions (which are always wrong but hey ho): Lavia c£50m + young player in exchange to bring total transfer value closer to £60m - will be to Chelsea or Man City as they have lots of great youngsters JWP - £25-30m to Villa, West Ham or at a push Newcastle (unlikely though) ABK - c£20m to mid table prem team or back to Germany Tella - I think he'll stay but if he goes it won't be for less than £20m. We have no reason to sell unless he forces a move so Burnley will need to pay over the odds Salisu - £10-15m. Not sure where though.... Maybe France? KWP - £20m to West ham or Villa Moi - free transfer We could possibly lose Adams or Stuart Armstrong as well, but I'm expecting them to stay. Don't think we'll sell Alcaraz unless we get a stupid offer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 16 May, 2023 Share Posted 16 May, 2023 12 hours ago, Behind Enemy Lines said: Going by how he’s been playing the last few weeks/months, I’d bet KWP already had a deal lined up should we be relegated. It would explain his performances. Why try hard, when, if your team is relegated, you get a pay rise and stay in the top division?! He bottled a 50/50 on Saturday. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 16 May, 2023 Share Posted 16 May, 2023 35 minutes ago, Barsiem said: My predictions (which are always wrong but hey ho): Lavia c£50m + young player in exchange to bring total transfer value closer to £60m - will be to Chelsea or Man City as they have lots of great youngsters JWP - £25-30m to Villa, West Ham or at a push Newcastle (unlikely though) ABK - c£20m to mid table prem team or back to Germany Tella - I think he'll stay but if he goes it won't be for less than £20m. We have no reason to sell unless he forces a move so Burnley will need to pay over the odds Salisu - £10-15m. Not sure where though.... Maybe France? KWP - £20m to West ham or Villa Moi - free transfer We could possibly lose Adams or Stuart Armstrong as well, but I'm expecting them to stay. Don't think we'll sell Alcaraz unless we get a stupid offer Isn’t Moi out of contract anyway? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M271 Posted 16 May, 2023 Share Posted 16 May, 2023 Simon Stone at the bbc says that he has spoken to plenty of agents of Saints players whose clients will be looking to move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfc4prem Posted 16 May, 2023 Share Posted 16 May, 2023 Mad that you can relegate a club and still move on and get a decent wedge elsewhere. Would it happen in other jobs? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexLaw76 Posted 16 May, 2023 Share Posted 16 May, 2023 3 minutes ago, M271 said: Simon Stone at the bbc says that he has spoken to plenty of agents of Saints players whose clients will be looking to move on. According to many, most of the players are utter crap that would fair no better under Pep or Klopp....why on earth will anyone buy them? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGTL Posted 16 May, 2023 Share Posted 16 May, 2023 I started writing out a list of players I'd like to see leave, and realised it was 95% of the current squad. So much dross. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stubby Posted 16 May, 2023 Share Posted 16 May, 2023 I'm not convinced that all our players are as bad as people make out. I'm sure some of our underperforming players have a bad attitude, but I would guess that others are just demotivated by the chaos, laziness and negativity around them. I don't think the average fan knows which players are in which category. I just hope the management - such as it is - identifies those with bad attitudes and moves them on, while trying their best to keep the others to build some team spirit for next season. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marsdinho Posted 16 May, 2023 Share Posted 16 May, 2023 You can probably add Livramento to the list of leavers. if he hadn't of got injured and had played for us this season, he would be one of the 1st snapped up by a bigger club. He's far too good for us in the Championship. A good preseason and he will be gone. If not, then certainly by Jan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedArmy Posted 16 May, 2023 Share Posted 16 May, 2023 I think people on here are vastly overestimating how much we’ll get for certain players. We’re a championship club with players that will be demanding moves, we hold little of the power when it comes to negotiations. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexLaw76 Posted 16 May, 2023 Share Posted 16 May, 2023 10 minutes ago, Stubby said: I'm not convinced that all our players are as bad as people make out. I'm sure some of our underperforming players have a bad attitude, but I would guess that others are just demotivated by the chaos, laziness and negativity around them. I don't think the average fan knows which players are in which category. I just hope the management - such as it is - identifies those with bad attitudes and moves them on, while trying their best to keep the others to build some team spirit for next season. This is clearly the reality, despite what frustrated fans think. Many of our first team squad will be gone. That would not be the case if they were crap. Just terrible, terrible, terrible management of them has caused this mess 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 16 May, 2023 Share Posted 16 May, 2023 11 minutes ago, Marsdinho said: You can probably add Livramento to the list of leavers. if he hadn't of got injured and had played for us this season, he would be one of the 1st snapped up by a bigger club. He's far too good for us in the Championship. A good preseason and he will be gone. If not, then certainly by Jan. He wont leave until at least next January given he will need to prove his fitness before any big money move is made. Clubs arent stupid......well some are 🤣 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee On Solent Saint Posted 16 May, 2023 Share Posted 16 May, 2023 39 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said: This is clearly the reality, despite what frustrated fans think. Many of our first team squad will be gone. That would not be the case if they were crap. Just terrible, terrible, terrible management of them has caused this mess Yep. A decent manager either in November or January would have got much more out of this squad than Jones and Selles managed to do. While Villa and Wolves upgraded their manager's, we managed to downgrade ours, not once but twice. It takes a monumental fuck up to be able to do that. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toussaint Posted 16 May, 2023 Share Posted 16 May, 2023 3 hours ago, Appy said: He’s given a damn far too late, look at our defensive record recently, he hasn’t been pretty good, Lyanco is god awful too, I don’t get why people want these wasters to stick around. some observations I would make, our defensive record hasn't been good recently, true, but, also recently KWP has put his cue in the rack, we haven't had a left back , AMN has been dreadful, the narrow midfield leaves us exposed, we have gone gung ho at times. We will be in the championship, I think they will be an asset. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Convict Colony Posted 16 May, 2023 Share Posted 16 May, 2023 I am going for 5 threads by the time the transfer window closes talking about who is going to leave us 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suhari Posted 16 May, 2023 Share Posted 16 May, 2023 5 minutes ago, Convict Colony said: I am going for 5 threads by the time the transfer window closes talking about who is going to leave us I planned on starting one asking which will be the first 5 players/senior staff members will leave first, and when. Kind of a deadpool game. Then I decided I'm really not that interested. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 16 May, 2023 Share Posted 16 May, 2023 6 hours ago, RedArmy said: I think people on here are vastly overestimating how much we’ll get for certain players. We’re a championship club with players that will be demanding moves, we hold little of the power when it comes to negotiations. Yep. People are far too optimistic. We'll want the cash to buy players suited to the new manager, and who want to be here. For that to happen we'll need to sell those who don't want to be here. Some people will say that we hold the aces for players under contract, but the reality is that there's no point holding players who aren't committed (and possibly put in Aribo and AMN levels of effort), and we'll only get what someone is willing to pay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintsLoyal Posted 16 May, 2023 Share Posted 16 May, 2023 Suprised to see a couple of the names going from Saints women. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexLaw76 Posted 16 May, 2023 Share Posted 16 May, 2023 23 minutes ago, egg said: Yep. People are far too optimistic. We'll want the cash to buy players suited to the new manager, and who want to be here. For that to happen we'll need to sell those who don't want to be here. Some people will say that we hold the aces for players under contract, but the reality is that there's no point holding players who aren't committed (and possibly put in Aribo and AMN levels of effort), and we'll only get what someone is willing to pay. Also, I am intrigued to read posters suggest we will keep Tella no matter what. We never do that, let alone in the position we are now in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 16 May, 2023 Share Posted 16 May, 2023 15 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said: Also, I am intrigued to read posters suggest we will keep Tella no matter what. We never do that, let alone in the position we are now in Id like to keep him, we need a RW, he’s in the Championship TOTS so should come back to us in good form and high on confidence But Everyone has a price.. and he is almost certainly in discussions with Burnley/Us about leaving Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raging Bull Posted 16 May, 2023 Share Posted 16 May, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, SaintsLoyal said: Suprised to see a couple of the names going from Saints women. … Edited 16 May, 2023 by Raging Bull Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint86 Posted 16 May, 2023 Share Posted 16 May, 2023 (edited) 20 hours ago, Killers Knee said: Who I want to stay: Bazunu Lyanco Lavia Alcaraz Sully Tall Paul Edozie The rest can all go. You wouldn't want KWP and JWP to stay if we can afford it? or even Perraud and Tino? What about ABK, or Tella, or Smallbone? Adams as well would be a great one to keep in the championship. And lets not even start on the total shitfest that is every single department at the club atm. The less transfer shuffling we have to do the better imo. .... Edited 16 May, 2023 by Saint86 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint86 Posted 16 May, 2023 Share Posted 16 May, 2023 6 hours ago, RedArmy said: I think people on here are vastly overestimating how much we’ll get for certain players. We’re a championship club with players that will be demanding moves, we hold little of the power when it comes to negotiations. They all have 40% wage reductions allegedly. Most are young players on relatively low wages and long contracts. We get parachute payments. Its not the disaster it is for other clubs... But the disater for saints is that basically every department in the club has not only lost its upper management, but often several of our best staff as well. So even if we could persuade the likes of Lavia and JWP to stay, the chances of us efficiently shifting and replacing the substandard players we have had this season quite low... And thats before we even get to the biggest issue - which is the fact there is seemingly no one competent in place to challenge Rasmus on the appointment of our next manager - based on several rumours / press leaks.... and that is a huge concern. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 16 May, 2023 Share Posted 16 May, 2023 16 minutes ago, Saint86 said: They all have 40% wage reductions allegedly. Most are young players on relatively low wages and long contracts. We get parachute payments. Its not the disaster it is for other clubs... But the disater for saints is that basically every department in the club has not only lost its upper management, but often several of our best staff as well. So even if we could persuade the likes of Lavia and JWP to stay, the chances of us efficiently shifting and replacing the substandard players we have had this season quite low... And thats before we even get to the biggest issue - which is the fact there is seemingly no one competent in place to challenge Rasmus on the appointment of our next manager - based on several rumours / press leaks.... and that is a huge concern. Wilcox is there and I think he’ll reign him in a bit BUT he has literally just got his foot in the door Im not actually convinced Rasmus is an idiot, just that he believes beyond reason in his ‘ideas 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osvaldorama Posted 16 May, 2023 Share Posted 16 May, 2023 8 hours ago, Stubby said: I'm not convinced that all our players are as bad as people make out. I'm sure some of our underperforming players have a bad attitude, but I would guess that others are just demotivated by the chaos, laziness and negativity around them. I don't think the average fan knows which players are in which category. I just hope the management - such as it is - identifies those with bad attitudes and moves them on, while trying their best to keep the others to build some team spirit for next season. Presumably some of the same scouts and recruitment team that recruited some of these tossers is responsible for selecting who goes. Doesn’t bode well. The last couple of years the scouting & suggestions are better on here than they are by the actual club. Hopefully we sack all the scouts at the same time we sack all the players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 17 May, 2023 Share Posted 17 May, 2023 14 hours ago, SaintsLoyal said: Suprised to see a couple of the names going from Saints women. Perhaps so .... but a few of those girls .. aren't teenagers any longer and deserve to have a life, having done " the donkey work " in getting the club promoted through 3 regional divisions and up to the Championship, and they deserve much credit for that. Time doesn't stand still and the game is getting faster and more demanding, and some of the juniors look to be good prospects. It must have been a hard decision to let them go, but given the club's economy the man's squad will also take many cuts in personnel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 17 May, 2023 Share Posted 17 May, 2023 Adam Armstrong has committed his future to us 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 17 May, 2023 Share Posted 17 May, 2023 9 minutes ago, Turkish said: Adam Armstrong has committed his future to us He knows he's onto a winner here, not going to get this anywhere else - he'd be stupid not to commit himself really, easy ride for him as he's shown over the last few years. But I just hope we don't commit our future to him, as that will be a bad day. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusic Posted 17 May, 2023 Share Posted 17 May, 2023 Nobody will give us anywhere near our money back for Armstrong. He has proven he can score goals at Championship level and seems like an honest pro. We may as well keep him as we don't have many players with good EFL experience. It obviously hasn't worked out but I don't think anyone can argue he doesn't give 100% so have nothing against him personally. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexLaw76 Posted 17 May, 2023 Share Posted 17 May, 2023 He should stay, we need goals in the Championship and he will like get a few... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 17 May, 2023 Share Posted 17 May, 2023 (edited) When you start looking through the first team squad it’s shocking how many “bit part” players we have on the books. Irrespective of what money they might fetch, these are the players I think we need to move on as they’ve shown no ability or heart to play at a level commensurate to what’s needed to get out of the Championship… JWP - his day is done…found out and not Captain material. But something tells me he’ll stay. Salisu, ABK, DCC, Stephens (suspect his hearts elsewhere now), AMN (out of contract) Djenepo, Ely (out of contract), Theo (club mascot?), Orsic, Adam Armstrong, Onauchu, Diallo Players I’m not sure about because they may be good enough with better management and coaching are Edozie, Mara, Che, Bree, Lyanco, Bednarek, Perraud, Stu Armstrong I think Tella and Smallbone would be good re-introductions for a new manager to utilise, although assessing how they’ve performed better in different clubs will be important. Last thing we need is for their talent to be crushed in a different system at Saints. Edited 17 May, 2023 by Saint Fan CaM Forgot some names! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexLaw76 Posted 17 May, 2023 Share Posted 17 May, 2023 Just now, Saint Fan CaM said: When you start looking through the first team squad it’s shocking how many “bit part” players we have on the books. Irrespective of what money they might fetch, these are the players I think we need to move on as they’ve shown no ability or heart to play at a level commensurate to what’s needed to get out of the Championship… JWP - his day is done…found out and not Captain material. But something tells me he’ll stay. Salisu, ABK, DCC, Stephens (suspect his hearts elsewhere now), AMN (out of contract) Djenepo, Ely (out of contract), Theo (club mascot?), Orsic, Adam Armstrong, Onauchu, Diallo Players I’m not sure about because they may be good enough with better management and coaching are Edozie, Mara, Che I think Tella and Smallbone would be good re-introductions for a new manager to utilise, although assessing how they’ve performed better in different clubs will be important. Last thing we need is for their talent to be crushed in a different system at Saints. JwP aint staying....why do fans think this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 17 May, 2023 Share Posted 17 May, 2023 2 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said: JwP aint staying....why do fans think this? I don’t want him to stay, but think he wants to stay. Don’t think he’ll want to a be a bit part player warming the bench in a lower half club. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 17 May, 2023 Share Posted 17 May, 2023 11 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said: He should stay, we need goals in the Championship and he will like get a few... he'd struggle to score less. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 17 May, 2023 Share Posted 17 May, 2023 8 minutes ago, Saint Fan CaM said: Don’t think he’ll want to a be a bit part player warming the bench in a lower half club. He's obviously not going to be that. Part of a squad at a top 6 club most likely. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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