Would we have lost....

[benjii]

if Bazunu was playing?

[beatlesaint]

Yes

[AlexLaw76]

Likely

[Osvaldorama]

Obviously 

[Yorkshire Saint]

Yes

[Suhari]

Absobloodylootley.

[Wade Garrett]

Yes

[Sheaf Saint]

Yes. 

[notnowcato]

No. 

[saint lard]

Very professional.good result. 

[SambaMaverick]

100%

[Whitey Grandad]

That’s the most stupid, inane question I have ever heard.

He wasn’t playing FFS. He wasn’t even on the bench. Deal with it and get yourselves another obsession.

[Tauro]

Perhaps the question we should be asking, isnwould we have been promoted if McCarty had started?

[Dark Munster]

Impossible to tell, because the whole game would've played out differently. But would he have made that save that McCarthy made? I doubt it.

[Fabrice29]

We won the two times he played against West Brom this season.

Edited May 12 by Fabrice29

[pimpin4rizeal]

Absolutely would have ..

forgot what it’s like to have a keeper making good saves .. McCarthy made two great stops that bazunu wouldn’t have 

[pingpong]

Think we would have won. We really miss his outfield play. We won against them both times with him in the team, and mccarthy is terrifying with the ball in front of goal.

[The Kraken]

Macca did very well but I don’t think there was anything spectacular about his saves. The first one was very good to be fair, the second was routine and the shot was pretty much straight at him. It just shows how levels of expectations around shot saving have dropped somewhat.

I thought where AMC really excelled today was his command of balls into the box, he was very strong and very assured in claiming crosses, and it seemed to put the defence at ease. I also thought his long ball distribution was pretty decent too, first half especially he clipped a couple of balls out to KWP which took play right up the pitch and put us on the attack.

[Dark Munster]

2 minutes ago, The Kraken said:

Macca did very well but I don’t think there was anything spectacular about his saves. The first one was very good to be fair, the second was routine and the shot was pretty much straight at him. It just shows how levels of expectations around shot saving have dropped somewhat.

I thought where AMC really excelled today was his command of balls into the box, he was very strong and very assured in claiming crosses, and it seemed to put the defence at ease. I also thought his long ball distribution was pretty decent too, first half especially he clipped a couple of balls out to KWP which took play right up the pitch and put us on the attack.

He also gave the ball straight to a WBA player a couple of times close to goal (the second one almost in the penalty area), and he got lucky that they were incompetent enough not to punish us. But apart from that I agree he played well.

[Barsiem]

14 minutes ago, Dark Munster said:

He also gave the ball straight to a WBA player a couple of times close to goal (the second one almost in the penalty area), and he got lucky that they were incompetent enough not to punish us. But apart from that I agree he played well.

And that's why you can't really speculate whether Baz would've been better or worse today.  The saves Macca made you would expect any keeper at this level to make, but as we all know it's a lottery with Baz as to whether he stops routine shots or not.  Baz would almost certainly not have made the stray passes that Macca did, but he wouldn't have commanded our area the way Macca did either...  Let's just be happy with the clean sheet, and hope we get 2 more in our next couple of games

[Whitey Grandad]

21 minutes ago, Barsiem said:

And that's why you can't really speculate whether Baz would've been better or worse today.  The saves Macca made you would expect any keeper at this level to make, but as we all know it's a lottery with Baz as to whether he stops routine shots or not.  Baz would almost certainly not have made the stray passes that Macca did, but he wouldn't have commanded our area the way Macca did either...  Let's just be happy with the clean sheet, and hope we get 2 more in our next couple of games

And that’s the long and short of it.

On to Friday 🫣

[Holmes_and_Watson]

Dunno.

[chownie20]

Harsh to pose the question as they being different qualities.  But Macca is a shot stopper and that's what he did.

[Wurzel]

If my grandmother had wheels she'd have been a bike.

[aintforever]

You have to say probably yes. They were quite straight forward saves but the type that Baz would have let in.

You have to wonder where we would have finished this year if we had a decent keeper between the sticks all season.

[Midfield_General]

31 minutes ago, aintforever said:

You have to say probably yes. They were quite straight forward saves but the type that Baz would have let in.

You have to wonder where we would have finished this year if we had a decent keeper between the sticks all season.

Promoted

[woodsaint1]

Dont know

[Whitey Grandad]

25 minutes ago, Midfield_General said:

Promoted

No different.

[chownie20]

Also....had Baz not made a class save we would have lost WBA away earlier this season...

[Lighthouse]

Completely different game if he plays. You can’t just sit and pretend ‘what if’, as if he’d be facing the exact same shots. 

[S-Clarke]

Not sure what the point of threads like this are tbh.

[EssEffCee]

1 hour ago, chownie20 said:

Also....had Baz not made a class save we would have lost WBA away earlier this season...

Weren't we 2-0 up when he made that save? Bit of a stretch to say we'd have lost.

[Whitey Grandad]

1 hour ago, Lighthouse said:

Completely different game if he plays. You can’t just sit and pretend ‘what if’, as if he’d be facing the exact same shots. 

It’s the old ‘sliding doors’ / parallel universe theory.

[Whitey Grandad]

33 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

Not sure what the point of threads like this are tbh.

Indeed. You might as well ask how many goals Elvis would have scored had he been playing up front.

[Saint_clark]

14 hours ago, The Kraken said:

Macca did very well but I don’t think there was anything spectacular about his saves. The first one was very good to be fair, the second was routine and the shot was pretty much straight at him. It just shows how levels of expectations around shot saving have dropped somewhat.

I thought where AMC really excelled today was his command of balls into the box, he was very strong and very assured in claiming crosses, and it seemed to put the defence at ease. I also thought his long ball distribution was pretty decent too, first half especially he clipped a couple of balls out to KWP which took play right up the pitch and put us on the attack.

You're right of course, but the issue is that Bazunu has let in goals that if he HAD saved them, would have also been in that "unspectacular" category. He lets in absolutely routine shots. 

Then there was the commanding of the box which you mentioned and the distribution wasn't anywhere near as bad as people make it out to be. As i've always said, the benefits of Bazunus fabled passing ability do not justify putting up with the lack of basic goalkeeping skills. 

[chownie20]

9 hours ago, Whitey Grandad said:

It’s the old ‘sliding doors’ / parallel universe theory.

Yep true...drawn perhaps.

[John Boy Saint]

Most likely, as he would probably be rather static on the line in his current state. 

[notnowcato]

12 hours ago, Whitey Grandad said:

Indeed. You might as well ask how many goals Elvis would have scored had he been playing up front.

Well... one for the money

[Colinjb]

I would say, probably. McCarthy has been solid since coming back in, actually feel happier with him between the sticks right now.

[Holmes_and_Watson]

13 hours ago, Whitey Grandad said:

Indeed. You might as well ask how many goals Elvis would have scored had he been playing up front.

None. Fourth official stops him coming on wearing unapproved Blue Suede Shoes.

[Whitey Grandad]

9 minutes ago, Holmes_and_Watson said:

None. Fourth official stops him coming on wearing unapproved Blue Suede Shoes.

You lay off them!

Incidentally my big sister had that song as a 78rpm record. Like most 78s it got smashed. As will we all after the match on Friday 🤪

[FarehamSaintJames]

What a pointless post. 

Bazunu has made errors, but the fact that McCarthy has come back into the fold doesn’t make him a better keeper or class by any means.

Alex McCarthy has been piss poor for years. One good game doesn’t change that overnight. A bit like some were creaming themselves that Sekou Mara had potential after the Huddersfield game - he’s still shit.

This deserves to be on the Bazunu chat.

Arguably Bazunu has played two games vs West Brom this season and been apart of those six points gained. You can’t really base a judgement on a game he hasn’t played. 😂

[sambosa75]

Yes, without doubt. 

[sambosa75]

3 hours ago, FarehamSaintJames said:

What a pointless post. 

Bazunu has made errors, but the fact that McCarthy has come back into the fold doesn’t make him a better keeper or class by any means.

Alex McCarthy has been piss poor for years. One good game doesn’t change that overnight. A bit like some were creaming themselves that Sekou Mara had potential after the Huddersfield game - he’s still shit.

This deserves to be on the Bazunu chat.

Arguably Bazunu has played two games vs West Brom this season and been apart of those six points gained. You can’t really base a judgement on a game he hasn’t played. 😂

You can base it on the fact that there were 2 or 3 chances for West Brom yesterday that required reflex saves that Bazunu simply never makes.  Either anecdotally or statistically.

[The Cat]

56 minutes ago, sambosa75 said:

You can base it on the fact that there were 2 or 3 chances for West Brom yesterday that required reflex saves that Bazunu simply never makes.  Either anecdotally or statistically.

Is it possible to make a save anecdotally? That's not a phrase I've ever heard and now I'm intrigued to see what it looks like.

Also your statement isn't fact because it's impossible to say what would have happened if Bazunu was in goal. 

You can summise what you think might have happened but that doesn't mean it's an actual fact.

What a weird thread.

[Lighthouse]

To put this thread in context, imagine Saints are defending deep in our own half about five years ago. We win the ball back and hoof it hard up the pitch. Shane Long is loitering around the halfway line, he sprints 50 yards to chase it down, leaves two defenders eating dust, collects the ball and then spoons it over the crossbar and into the car park. Saying Bazunu wouldn’t have made yesterday’s saves is like saying Charlie Austin would have scored the shot that Long missed.

[Holmes_and_Watson]

40 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

To put this thread in context, imagine Saints are defending deep in our own half about five years ago. We win the ball back and hoof it hard up the pitch. Shane Long is loitering around the halfway line, he sprints 50 yards to chase it down, leaves two defenders eating dust, collects the ball and then spoons it over the crossbar and into the car park. Saying Bazunu wouldn’t have made yesterday’s saves is like saying Charlie Austin would have scored the shot that Long missed.

It'll be interesting to find the first person who thinks this imaginary Long effort doesn't go over the bar. 🙂

[sambosa75]

48 minutes ago, The Cat said:

Is it possible to make a save anecdotally? That's not a phrase I've ever heard and now I'm intrigued to see what it looks like.

Also your statement isn't fact because it's impossible to say what would have happened if Bazunu was in goal. 

You can summise what you think might have happened but that doesn't mean it's an actual fact.

What a weird thread.

“Remember that amazing one-handed reflex save Bazunu made v XYZ?”

no I don’t because it has literally never ever happened.

[Whitey Grandad]

20 minutes ago, sambosa75 said:

“Remember that amazing one-handed reflex save Bazunu made v XYZ?”

no I don’t because it has literally never ever happened.

Now your obsession and prejudice and selective memory is leading you to talk crap. Because it has literally ever happened.
 

https://www.skysports.com/football/video/30998/12992677/phenomenal-save-from-bazunu-saints-gk-makes-top-stop

Or is this some other Bazunu?

[The Kraken]

1 hour ago, Lighthouse said:

To put this thread in context, imagine Saints are defending deep in our own half about five years ago. We win the ball back and hoof it hard up the pitch. Shane Long is loitering around the halfway line, he sprints 50 yards to chase it down, leaves two defenders eating dust, collects the ball and then spoons it over the crossbar and into the car park. Saying Bazunu wouldn’t have made yesterday’s saves is like saying Charlie Austin would have scored the shot that Long missed.

I can’t help but think you’re slightly missing the point of this very forum you moderate.

There must be hundreds, nay thousands of previous posts on here along the lines of “if that shot falls to <other player> he finishes it”. Or, in another context: “how did Che Adams miss a header from less than a foot away? Would any other striker miss that?”

Not entirely sure why this fictional scenario is quite so different to those previous others, but whatever. It’s a discussion forum anyway. Would be fucking boring if we stuck to facts only.