Disco Stu Posted September 30 Share Posted September 30 It would be interesting to get a general forum consensus 6 games in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmonton Saint Posted September 30 Share Posted September 30 Done with his nonsense. Thankyou for Wembley, but goodbye Russell. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Ralph Posted September 30 Share Posted September 30 Too stubborn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benali-shorts Posted September 30 Share Posted September 30 Might as well keep him for arsenal humiliation. And then I'd make BB-D manager. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suhari Posted September 30 Share Posted September 30 He can't set up a defence, his teams play too slowly and he won't change his 'principles'. We need a change, unless we're happy to go straight down with a whimper. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexLaw76 Posted September 30 Share Posted September 30 Get rid 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusic Posted September 30 Share Posted September 30 Ive been on the side of giving him more time but the fact he is chopping and changing so much just makes me think he running out of ideas. Tonight he ripped up the good bits of the Ipswich game - Dibling/Sugawara partnership, midfield 3, Archer threat in behind - and if majorly backfired. Squad being too big doesn't help him but hard to have much confidence of an improvement and if no action the season will just become pointless. 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BotleySaint Posted September 30 Share Posted September 30 Suicidal first half formation and team. Experimenting in a game we needed to get at least a point. Need to get a manager in who can set up a team. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSA96 Posted September 30 Share Posted September 30 (edited) There's not a manager realistically available and capable of keeping us in the PL, imo - but we have been particularly naive to start the season Edited September 30 by CSA96 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted September 30 Share Posted September 30 I'd love to hear the thoughts behind those who think we should keep him. 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ally_uk Posted September 30 Share Posted September 30 He hasn't got a f--king clue! Must win game tonight.... What's he do ? Put majority of our strike force on the bench..... What a clown 🤡 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint francis Posted September 30 Share Posted September 30 Replaced, no question. Right now, the weakness is the tactics more than the players. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SambaMaverick Posted September 30 Share Posted September 30 Not only are we set up suicidally, we are weak and lazy. No graft in any of the squad. That can only be the manager's fault, there's no question of quality there. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolan Posted September 30 Share Posted September 30 Russel Martin's play has similarities with our opponents. Generally they pass towards our goal, and we pass towards our goal. Time for alternative ideas. 2 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted September 30 Share Posted September 30 4 minutes ago, CSA96 said: There's not a manager realistically available and capable of keeping us in the PL, imo - but we have been particularly naive to start the season So we keep him because you can't think of anyone better? That's no reason to keep the bloke. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benali-shorts Posted September 30 Share Posted September 30 He'll never be comfortable compromising his possession-style (which was always going to be suicidal in the PL with our squad) and hasn't any pedigree in making teams tighter. He'll be far too spiky to put up with continued question marks over his job - sadly, he's not what we need at this stag. He's been very let down by being given a squad which is physically and technically inadequate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sambosa75 Posted September 30 Share Posted September 30 No good is going to come with persevering with his style of football. It’s not all of a sudden going to fall into place and we start winning games. Not in the PL. He clearly doesn’t know who his best XI is either which is a huge concern. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted September 30 Share Posted September 30 Big issue that we gave him so much power this summer with no DoF in place. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted September 30 Share Posted September 30 As chief forum fence-sitter I'm going to abstain. I've been hopeful that something might click, but it's looking less and less likely as each game passes. I've been minded to give him 10 games to sink or swim. So, what's that, another 4 games? Tick tock... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sambosa75 Posted September 30 Share Posted September 30 6 minutes ago, CSA96 said: There's not a manager realistically available and capable of keeping us in the PL, imo - but we have been particularly naive to start the season Well that’s bollocks in my opinion. Moyes would have us set up to be more difficult to beat. Potter might fancy a crack too and will feel like he’s got something to prove. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry_SFC Posted September 30 Share Posted September 30 2 minutes ago, Saint_clark said: I'd love to hear the thoughts behind those who think we should keep him. Sounds to me that the players have given up with Martin. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Posted September 30 Share Posted September 30 1 minute ago, trousers said: As chief forum fence-sitter I'm going to abstain. I've been hopeful that something might click, but it's looking less and less likely as each game passes. I've been minded to give him 10 games to sink or swim. So, what's that, another 4 games? Tick tock... Leicester and Everton are looking like must wins already. Fancy a Russell side to have the nouse for that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stknowle Posted September 30 Share Posted September 30 It’s a massively tough ask for anyone but quite frankly he’s starting to look really flaky. Twist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSA96 Posted September 30 Share Posted September 30 8 minutes ago, egg said: So we keep him because you can't think of anyone better? That's no reason to keep the bloke. You'll do well to point out where I've said that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greedyfly Posted September 30 Share Posted September 30 11 minutes ago, ally_uk said: He hasn't got a f--king clue! Must win game tonight.... What's he do ? Put majority of our strike force on the bench..... What a clown 🤡 It was the entirety of our strike force (if you mean purely "strikers" that is). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSA96 Posted September 30 Share Posted September 30 6 minutes ago, sambosa75 said: Well that’s bollocks in my opinion. Moyes would have us set up to be more difficult to beat. Potter might fancy a crack too and will feel like he’s got something to prove. You really think that we would be better than three other teams in the league just by changing the manager? They'd have to be one hell of a player-manager to turn us around that dramatically. And you think the bloke whose last gig was taking Chelsea to the UCL quarter finals is going to fancy the job? Even better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hodgey Posted September 30 Share Posted September 30 9 minutes ago, Saint_clark said: I'd love to hear the thoughts behind those who think we should keep him. I think we should keep him. I don’t trust our club not to fcuk the appt up further - whoever we get would be subsequently fired so what’s the point - see if we improve as the season goes on to see if he gets another go at the championship. There simply isn’t enough goals in this side to stay up. That said not impressed today - the line up was clearly ridiculous. Not sure if he was making a point about how bad our strikers are but at least play who you think is the best one. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benali-shorts Posted September 30 Share Posted September 30 6 minutes ago, Hodgey said: I think we should keep him. I don’t trust our club not to fcuk the appt up further - whoever we get would be subsequently fired so what’s the point - see if we improve as the season goes on to see if he gets another go at the championship. There simply isn’t enough goals in this side to stay up. That said not impressed today - the line up was clearly ridiculous. Not sure if he was making a point about how bad our strikers are but at least play who you think is the best one. If one thing that is absolutely certain, we will definitely fuck up the replacement, but that might at least take as one step closer to exposing Rasmus as the root of all incompetence. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGTL Posted September 30 Share Posted September 30 Worse than Nathan Jones which is an incredible achievement. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SambaMaverick Posted September 30 Share Posted September 30 He's proper lost his head with Alfie House this evening as well, his toes are to the fire for sure 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted September 30 Share Posted September 30 I reluctantly put yes - it’s taken me a while to get over 2 forwards 60 yards apart but tonight 2 wingers with no centre forward and playing best 2 midfielders recently out of position it has to be go. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted September 30 Share Posted September 30 I don’t think anyone will keep this shite squad up but it’s worth rolling the dice. As most of us thought, Martin’s style with these players just leaves us horribly exposed, I expect a humping by Arsenal will be the final nail in his coffin. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stknowle Posted September 30 Share Posted September 30 10 minutes ago, SambaMaverick said: He's proper lost his head with Alfie House this evening as well, his toes are to the fire for sure What did he say/do to A.H? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SambaMaverick Posted September 30 Share Posted September 30 Just now, stknowle said: What did he say/do to A.H? Petulant fuck 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted September 30 Share Posted September 30 Quote We need to win a game, we need to score more goals. We haven't scored enough goals. I mean, that was pretty self-explanatory So, yeah. Putting the strikers on the bench will do it, right Russell? 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redandwhitey Posted September 30 Share Posted September 30 So, if that is the case why were they on the bench and not on the bloody pitch ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
franniesTache Posted September 30 Share Posted September 30 It was obvious before the start of the season he wasn't good enough, we should've sacked him the day after the play off final. Instead we offered him a new contract. The bloke is so far out of his depth it's a joke, and his style is suicidal. What we need is a manager with a bit of bollocks and nastiness to him, someone who knows how to shithouse a win and isn't just there to placate a bunch of nerds by winning the stats "battle" or trying to play football like Barcelona when we have the ability of Bromley. 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSaint Posted September 30 Share Posted September 30 Good managing is largely down to three things - selection, tactics and man management. His starting line-up tonight was a Frankenstein-esque gong show, his tactics were even exploited in the EFL and everyone bar him knew they'd be suicidal up here, and two PL quality players (KWP and ABK) have been left out in the cold for unknown reasons - probably questioning him. That's 3 fails right there, but he's not done. He deploys a carthorse as a wide attacker on the left, happily plays most games without a focal point in the box, persists with taking an eternity to get the ball forward, and now sticks it on the shoulders of an 18 year-old to dribble through the opposition as our main form of attack. Meanwhile, Bournemouth stuff us with the very tactics he despises. If anyone has the temerity to question him when things inevitably go pear-shaped, he throws one of his hyper-sensitive "smartest guy in the room" retorts. We won't find out how good our squad is until he's nowhere near it. 24 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted September 30 Share Posted September 30 4 minutes ago, Colinjb said: So, yeah. Putting the strikers on the bench will do it, right Russell? Of all the things to be petulant about, saying "we need to score goals so I put my entire strike force on the bench" is not the clever clever slam-dunk response he thinks it is. 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiggles31 Posted September 30 Share Posted September 30 3 minutes ago, CanadaSaint said: Good managing is largely down to three things - selection, tactics and man management. His starting line-up tonight was a Frankenstein-esque gong show, his tactics were even exploited in the EFL and everyone bar him knew they'd be suicidal up here, and two PL quality players (KWP and ABK) have been left out in the cold for unknown reasons - probably questioning him. That's 3 fails right there, but he's not done. He deploys a carthorse as a wide attacker on the left, happily plays most games without a focal point in the box, persists with taking an eternity to get the ball forward, and now sticks it on the shoulders of an 18 year-old to dribble through the opposition as our main form of attack. Meanwhile, Bournemouth stuff us with the very tactics he despises. If anyone has the temerity to question him when things inevitably go pear-shaped, he throws one of his hyper-sensitive "smartest guy in the room" retorts. We won't find out how good our squad is until he's nowhere near it. Could’t agree more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stknowle Posted September 30 Share Posted September 30 14 minutes ago, SambaMaverick said: Petulant fuck Cheers. Yeah he’s losing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galway saint Posted September 30 Share Posted September 30 I wouldn’t get rid. I’d bring in an experienced coach to work alongside him and who has avoided the drop in the past. Thinking of Dave Basset, Jim Smith someone like that from the 90’s who can shout a lot 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint michael Posted September 30 Share Posted September 30 I think staying up was always going to be a long shot but for goodness sake organise the team, coach them to help them and put out a consistent group that stands a chance. At least give it a go and stop this stupid experiment when clearly not working or showing any signs of working or improvement. If you can’t do this go somewhere else mate and try it there. I’m sick of sitting through this complete shit show 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benali-shorts Posted September 30 Share Posted September 30 And also, we're going to lose most weeks, don't be a knob to the local Press when they try and do their job and ask you questions. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmonton Saint Posted September 30 Share Posted September 30 So far this season In 6 games and 2 carabao cup games we’ve used 32 different players, think he’s pulling names out of a a hat and hoping for miracles instead of trying to coach any type of cohesive unit right now. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OttawaSaint Posted September 30 Share Posted September 30 Fire him into the sun! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midfield_General Posted September 30 Share Posted September 30 56 minutes ago, Galway saint said: I wouldn’t get rid. I’d bring in an experienced coach to work alongside him and who has avoided the drop in the past. Thinking of Dave Basset, Jim Smith someone like that from the 90’s who can shout a lot I think Jim Smith is unlikely 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bugenhagen Posted September 30 Share Posted September 30 17 minutes ago, Edmonton Saint said: So far this season In 6 games and 2 carabao cup games we’ve used 32 different players, think he’s pulling names out of a a hat and hoping for miracles instead of trying to coach any type of cohesive unit right now. This: Recepie for disaster! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OttawaSaint Posted September 30 Share Posted September 30 1 hour ago, CanadaSaint said: Good managing is largely down to three things - selection, tactics and man management. His starting line-up tonight was a Frankenstein-esque gong show, his tactics were even exploited in the EFL and everyone bar him knew they'd be suicidal up here, and two PL quality players (KWP and ABK) have been left out in the cold for unknown reasons - probably questioning him. That's 3 fails right there, but he's not done. He deploys a carthorse as a wide attacker on the left, happily plays most games without a focal point in the box, persists with taking an eternity to get the ball forward, and now sticks it on the shoulders of an 18 year-old to dribble through the opposition as our main form of attack. Meanwhile, Bournemouth stuff us with the very tactics he despises. If anyone has the temerity to question him when things inevitably go pear-shaped, he throws one of his hyper-sensitive "smartest guy in the room" retorts. We won't find out how good our squad is until he's nowhere near it. Brilliant post! 👏 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted September 30 Share Posted September 30 1 hour ago, CanadaSaint said: Good managing is largely down to three things - selection, tactics and man management. His starting line-up tonight was a Frankenstein-esque gong show, his tactics were even exploited in the EFL and everyone bar him knew they'd be suicidal up here, and two PL quality players (KWP and ABK) have been left out in the cold for unknown reasons - probably questioning him. That's 3 fails right there, but he's not done. He deploys a carthorse as a wide attacker on the left, happily plays most games without a focal point in the box, persists with taking an eternity to get the ball forward, and now sticks it on the shoulders of an 18 year-old to dribble through the opposition as our main form of attack. Meanwhile, Bournemouth stuff us with the very tactics he despises. If anyone has the temerity to question him when things inevitably go pear-shaped, he throws one of his hyper-sensitive "smartest guy in the room" retorts. We won't find out how good our squad is until he's nowhere near it. Good post, but the part highlighted is golden. If he hadn’t already lost the changing room, he has after tonight’s post-match comments. He’s become his own liability and he has to go before he does any more damage to the squad or himself for that matter. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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