Saints 1-1 Charlton - Match Thread

[trousers]

24 minutes ago, Sheaf Saint said:

Peretz still has credit in his account because he has shown that he is capable of pulling off some good saves.

Pretty much everyone on this thread agrees that he could, and probably should, have done better with that shot today.

When he starts letting those in every single time, then he will deservedly start getting the same criticism as Bazunu.

Indeed. It's not difficult, is it...?

[Sheaf Saint]

10 minutes ago, trousers said:

Indeed. It's not difficult, is it...?

It is to some, apparently.

[Pamplemousse]

Disappointing outcome but only one team was trying to win that.

We did the same to teams last season as Charlton did and fluked our way to results (think Man City at home) - it happens. We played well, move on and win on Tuesday.

Edited 9 hours ago by Pamplemousse

[washsaint]

Sometimes you have to just say fair play about the opposition.  Very limited but defended really well and were obviously keen for payback from the reverse fixture.

Thought both Stewart and Larin played well and were a real handful.......shame our geniuses at SR didn't recognize this at the start of the season insetad of wasting money on an unknow quantity who turned out to be pretending to be a footballer.

For me both Azaz and Fellows have been underwhelming all season apart from one purple patch.  For those saying the Christmas results will be why we don't make the play offs I don't think that's the case: it was the position WIll Still left us in (13 games played, 12 points.  Since then we have 35 points from 20 games which would clearly be enough to finish in the play offs at least over the course of a season)

[AlexLaw76]

3 minutes ago, washsaint said:

Sometimes you have to just say fair play about the opposition.  Very limited but defended really well and were obviously keen for payback from the reverse fixture.

Thought both Stewart and Larin played well and were a real handful.......shame our geniuses at SR didn't recognize this at the start of the season insetad of wasting money on an unknow quantity who turned out to be pretending to be a footballer.

For me both Azaz and Fellows have been underwhelming all season apart from one purple patch.  For those saying the Christmas results will be why we don't make the play offs I don't think that's the case: it was the position WIll Still left us in (13 games played, 12 points.  Since then we have 35 points from 20 games which would clearly be enough to finish in the play offs at least over the course of a season)

That is fair. Results like this happen for team nearer the top (we have done this to better teams plenty over the years).

The first couple of month, under that horrific manager, killed this season.....coupled with the insane belief 3 at the back was the way ahead

[stknowle]

1 hour ago, Sheaf Saint said:

Peretz still has credit in his account because he has shown that he is capable of pulling off some good saves.

Pretty much everyone on this thread agrees that he could, and probably should, have done better with that shot today.

When he starts letting those in every single time, then he will deservedly start getting the same criticism as Bazunu.

Inevitable that certain individuals would latch on to that goal as vindication of BAZ and his consistent 1 star goalkeeping. 

[Lighthouse]

3 minutes ago, stknowle said:

Inevitable that certain individuals would latch on to that goal as vindication of BAZ and his consistent 1 star goalkeeping. 

That one goal, and at least two against Leicester, when he had a 0% save percentage, and the goal at Pompey, both goals at Doncaster and the second against Hull. That and having roughly the same save percentage overall this season. 

Criticise Baz all you want but when Peretz is getting off scot-free for very similar performances it looks more than a little biased.

[AlexLaw76]

What is the option fee for Peretz?

 

[OnceaSaintalwaysaSaint]

Our group's half time chat concluded with an early second half goal, the game's as good as won. Well that worked out well.

It's easy to under-estimate the psychology in sport. Once again, we scored and sat back. FFS, go for the kill.

And something's got to be done about time wasting. That lump of a sub they brought on went down like a shot with the lightest of touches. It's time to allow play to continue and even with the head injuries, the ref can call help on to the pitch but play around them. And we've been just as bad recently when we've been one up.  

[Paul_B]

2 hours ago, Cabrone said:

Typical Saints, work yourself into a decent position and then bottle it.

Knowing us we'll beat Coventry at their place in a month's time to balance this one out.

What a downer.

We really won't.

[Give it to Ron]

10 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

That one goal, and at least two against Leicester, when he had a 0% save percentage, and the goal at Pompey, both goals at Doncaster and the second against Hull. That and having roughly the same save percentage overall this season. 

Criticise Baz all you want but when Peretz is getting off scot-free for very similar performances it looks more than a little biased.

Where is he getting off Scot free? It’s only you Baz fan club members saying that …get over it he is gone for a few months.

Perez IS slightly better , today he should have done better but Ive watched those go in for 3 years though.

[Badger]

4 hours ago, badgerx16 said:

If we miss the playoffs it will be because we took 3 points in 7 games either side of Christmas, not because we drew today.

No, although those Christmas results haven’t helped, the failure to go up (let alone reach the playoffs) will be due to the ridiculous appointment of Will Still. Then keeping him in post over a month too long 
 

[The Kraken]

19 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

That one goal, and at least two against Leicester, when he had a 0% save percentage, and the goal at Pompey, both goals at Doncaster and the second against Hull. That and having roughly the same save percentage overall this season. 

Criticise Baz all you want but when Peretz is getting off scot-free for very similar performances it looks more than a little biased.

He’s not getting off scot free at all. You just made that up, which is a ridiculous thing to do.

[Charlie Wayman]

Certainly a disappointing performance from Saints but Jones team had done their homework, sat deep and frustrated all our efforts to penetrate their front line. Kudos to them but it highlighted the lack of creativity in our team and to a certain extent a lack of leadership when the going gets tough. 

Scant pickings for Sienza and Fellows today as they were well marshalled by their fullbacks. Fellows had another poor game irrespectively of the close marking and seems to have lost confidence. IMO it was a mistake to start him over Matsuki who has been performing dynamically in recent matches. The high spot for us was undoubtedly Stewart's well taken header, really classy stuff from the big man.

Their goal was disappointing; awful defending by Stephens and Manning allowed Carey far too much space to pick his spot but Peretz could have and should have done better and will have nightmares after his howler.

Charlton did not deserve a point but Saints showed that they still have much to do to convince that they really are serious candidates for promotion. On this showing they are not.

We can expect a similar pattern of play on Tuesday evening and if we can't come uo with some clever tactics to overcome visitors sitting back in a low block at SMS in the meantime, one fears our season will start to peter out.

Edited 7 hours ago by Charlie Wayman

[Ex Lion Tamer]

2 hours ago, Badger said:

No, although those Christmas results haven’t helped, the failure to go up (let alone reach the playoffs) will be due to the ridiculous appointment of Will Still. Then keeping him in post over a month too long 
 

Consensus on here was that it was a decent appointment, despite his pretty average record, so not sure it can be called ridiculous

Edited 6 hours ago by Ex Lion Tamer

[bugenhagen]

1 minute ago, Ex Lion Tamer said:

Consensus on here was that it was a decent appointment, despite his pretty average record, so not sure it can be called ridiculous

In hindsight, it was ridiculous in hindsight. Come on, it's how we roll on here, isn't it? 😉

[Patrick Bateman]

2 hours ago, AlexLaw76 said:

What is the option fee for Peretz?

 

It's under £10m. He should be snapped up, far better than any other options we have. Ramsdale won't be at Saints next season regardless. 

[austsaint]

2 hours ago, washsaint said:

Sometimes you have to just say fair play about the opposition.  Very limited but defended really well and were obviously keen for payback from the reverse fixture.

Thought both Stewart and Larin played well and were a real handful.......shame our geniuses at SR didn't recognize this at the start of the season insetad of wasting money on an unknow quantity who turned out to be pretending to be a footballer.

For me both Azaz and Fellows have been underwhelming all season apart from one purple patch.  For those saying the Christmas results will be why we don't make the play offs I don't think that's the case: it was the position WIll Still left us in (13 games played, 12 points.  Since then we have 35 points from 20 games which would clearly be enough to finish in the play offs at least over the course of a season)

Yep.  Tonda didn’t do a lot wrong today but when it was apparent before the 60 minute mark that Azaz and Fellows weren’t having great days, he could have replaced Fellows with Edozie ( or switch Scienza to the right, Edozie to the left) and Azaz with Matsuki.   Whatever the reason behind Edozie’s absence, he must be used more, his direct run, trickery and variety of crosses are much more effective than Fellows’ current form.   As washsaint suggests, a limited but well organised Charlton frustrated Saints dominance.   Peretz definitely should have done better with the goal but he’s comfortably a better keeper than Baz.   Downes was good, before he lost his head; Charles excellent, THB very good.    Classy goal from Stewart.   Beat QPR and todays frustration will pass quickly.

[macca155]

A lot of our competitors lost today. After a winning run, a draw was on the cards at some stage. It happens, opposing teams work out a strategy to negate our threats, and we've seen Saints struggle against a negative defensive block for many years.

Tonda seems to be learning to adapt, although a tad too slow for my tastes. Hopefully he has something up his sleeve for QPR.

A win would have been nice, but they didn't lose, and gained ground on a number of teams.

Just need to keep going, with our horrific start to the season, it was always going to go to the wire.

[SNSUN]

22 minutes ago, Patrick Bateman said:

It's under £10m. He should be snapped up, far better than any other options we have. Ramsdale won't be at Saints next season regardless. 

I can see Ramsdale back if we go up. But I'd still try to sign Peretz too. Best set of GK's we'd have had in years that would be. 

But I don't think we go up this season, so get Peretz in and sign someone half decent as a back up. Shea's brother or someone like that. 

[SaintBobby]

Good performance overall. We win that 9 times out of ten.

Fair play to Charlton, they defended brilliantly and were well organised.

Thems are the breaks.

[LoyalSaintSO50]

1 hour ago, Patrick Bateman said:

It's under £10m. He should be snapped up, far better than any other options we have. Ramsdale won't be at Saints next season regardless. 

Are you being serious? Watch the Charlton goal again, soft as shite. Another in a long line of poor goal keeping appointments. I don’t actually see what he’s good at other than being a ‘character’. 

[HKsaint]

We miss Arma badly