Saints 1-1 Charlton - Match Thread

[pimpin4rizeal]

10 minutes ago, Harry_SFC said:

One thing I would say is Edozie looked a lot more useful than Fellows.

Azaz needs dropping. 

I think maybe azaz strength is unlocking defences with through balls a bit harder to do with 8 or 9 men camped in the box 

[obelisk]

Just now, Mboto Gorge said:

Yep, 6 games now. 5 goals in The last 6 home games. Thats  now where near good enough and proves that we are seriously struggling to break teams down and are way to slow in our build up, Allowing teams to get organised and sit in while we pass the ball slowly in front of them. Far too much of this against far poorer sides on paper. 

Yes that is concerning. Today's match in a nutshell really. Nowhere near good enough for play-offs.

[Vancouver Saint]

2 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

 

 

Err um yes of course...felt like a loss given the possession we had. Too ponderous. Extra time showed the urgency we should have had from the outset.

[Holmes_and_Watson]

Disappointed. There are plenty of teams jostling for a play off spot. That was an opportunity, at home, to keep our momentum going.

We had lots of efforts. But it took a really good Start header to even get us a lead. Oh, Manning did come close first half to be fair.

A defender got dragged out of position to allow their equalising shot. Peretz had to be prepared for the shot going the other way. Got his hand to it. But it always makes me hope for a save round the post.

We put pressure on them. But nothing very clinical. Edozie looked lively again. Good to see him getting a run. But need someone to take the game by the scruff, and we lacked that. Matsuki came very close. Good position, but will kick (and miss) himself for the finish.

[Andy Hill]

Playoffs look a mile away after that performance. It will be Wrexham, Hull, Millwall and Ipswich.  Shame since we have a better squad than at least 2 of those.

[badgerx16]

If we miss the playoffs it will be because we took 3 points in 7 games either side of Christmas, not because we drew today.

[Saint Fan CaM]

Just before they scored I thought to myself that we looked too relaxed…too slow to close down…and sure enough who was the defender in front of the scorer - Manning, who characteristically stood off his man and allowed the shot. To allow a shot with the keeper unsighted and a wet surface was always going to present high risk - you can always rely on Manning to let the side down defensively.

Other than that every attack was slow and ponderous, allowing them to regroup with 11 behind the ball. There was little cohesion to our attacking play…hit and hope football. We don’t look anywhere near good enough to be promotion contenders.

[Mr Brightside]

Really disappointing obviously, still not sure how we didn’t win that. Under complete control until Shea went off. Understand why, but he was having a great game with Downes and we seemed to drop off after that. 
But good to see us throwing everything at them at the end, weren’t doing that earlier in the season. And probably a game we lose back then too. 
Don’t agree we’ve blown the play-offs, keep dominating games and the goals and wins will come. Might be a crucial point in the end. 

[tdmickey3]

13 minutes ago, Mboto Gorge said:

Yep, 6 games now. 5 goals in The last 6 home games. Thats  now where near good enough and indicates that we are seriously struggling to break teams down and are way to slow in our build up, Allowing teams to get organised and sit in while we pass the ball slowly in front of them. Far too much of this against far poorer sides on paper. The Oxford game at home next month will be absolutely identical to this, you wait. 

Yep, clearly see that what we were trying was failing to break them down and as our defence is average and equaliser was likely and so it proved.

Ekert did nothing tactically to change our approach yet again 

Edited 3 hours ago by tdmickey3

[saintant]

Charlton have had a real mixed bag of results but there have been some good victories. For example they beat Ipswich 3-0 at Portman Road. Doesn't help us but teams are generally not going to just roll over against us. We're a decent side but not that good that we should routinely expect to beat every team that rocks up at St Marys. We've seen that it's been a season full of upsets and unexpected results. We're not exempt from dropping points when we all expect a win. There are still play-off places up for grabs - if we play to our potential we have a decent chance of continuing to be one of those challenging but all teams will drop points in a disappointing fashion. 

[Baird of the land]

4 minutes ago, Mr Brightside said:

Really disappointing obviously, still not sure how we didn’t win that. Under complete control until Shea went off. Understand why, but he was having a great game with Downes and we seemed to drop off after that. 
But good to see us throwing everything at them at the end, weren’t doing that earlier in the season. And probably a game we lose back then too. 
Don’t agree we’ve blown the play-offs, keep dominating games and the goals and wins will come. Might be a crucial point in the end. 

I don’t understand Shea move at all. Hardly like it was the first game back. If he wanted to bring jander on, do it for azaz and pack the midfield.

[tdmickey3]

1 minute ago, saintant said:

Charlton have had a real mixed bag of results but there have been some good victories. For example they beat Ipswich 3-0 at Portman Road. Doesn't help us but teams are generally not going to just roll over against us. We're a decent side but not that good that we should routinely expect to beat every team that rocks up at St Marys. We've seen that it's been a season full of upsets and unexpected results. We're not exempt from dropping points when we all expect a win. There are still play-off places up for grabs - if we play to our potential we have a decent chance of continuing to be one of those challenging but all teams will drop points in a disappointing fashion. 

We don’t play to our potential enough, that is the problem and aligned with a tactically limited coach this is what you get

[Maggie May]

Frustrating day but we aren’t going to win every game.

[Ex Lion Tamer]

4 minutes ago, saintant said:

Charlton have had a real mixed bag of results but there have been some good victories. For example they beat Ipswich 3-0 at Portman Road. Doesn't help us but teams are generally not going to just roll over against us. We're a decent side but not that good that we should routinely expect to beat every team that rocks up at St Marys. We've seen that it's been a season full of upsets and unexpected results. We're not exempt from dropping points when we all expect a win. There are still play-off places up for grabs - if we play to our potential we have a decent chance of continuing to be one of those challenging but all teams will drop points in a disappointing fashion. 

They are a solid team and people shouldn't be misled by the 5-0

[Paul_B]

10 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

If we miss the playoffs it will be because we took 3 points in 7 games either side of Christmas, not because we drew today.

When we miss the play-offs it'll be because we just aren't good enough. Haven't been all season despite some brief flourishes.

[Jack]

2 minutes ago, Ex Lion Tamer said:

They are a solid team and people shouldn't be misled by the 5-0

Or by getting thrashed at home by Pompey midweek. 

[sandwichsaint]

Poor result today but still top of the form table, W4 D2 L0, ‘if’ we can repeat that sequence we will be right in the mix. ‘If’.

[trousers]

There's the Nathan Jones we know and love.... 😂

#boxoffrogs

Edited 3 hours ago by trousers

[Harry_SFC]

5 minutes ago, trousers said:

There's the Nathan Jones we know and love.... 😂

#boxoffrogs

We've beaten them 6-2 on aggregate this season. Tactical masterclass. 

[Saint NL]

26 minutes ago, Baird of the land said:

I don’t understand Shea move at all. Hardly like it was the first game back. If he wanted to bring jander on, do it for azaz and pack the midfield.

Looked like Charles was limping when he went off. 

[Zorba]

They came for a point and got one. The game should have been over by half time with the amount of chances we had. But we just don’t value our chances and miss far too many. THB with a trademark, one or two a game, lazy pass out cost us. I don’t mind THB but he needs to cut that out. Disappointing again, just when we need to show more. There are better teams chasing the play off spots and we will rightfully miss out because we don’t score enough goals at home.

Edited 2 hours ago by Zorba

[Plastic]

Great support from Charlton today. Decent first half for Saints. Shame they couldn’t put it to bed. 

Edited 3 hours ago by Plastic

[Yorkshire Saint]

🤣 Class A Knobhead. 

[bpsaint]

Don’t understand why we always seem to look lethargic after a break. Said in the match thread some of these guys have had 9 days off whilst Charlton got battered midweek. Did our players think all they had to do today was turn up to win?

Definitely feels like 2 points dropped, midweek needs to be a win if we’re serious about contending for a playoff spot.

[Saint-Reece]

1 hour ago, Willo of Whiteley said:

Appalling result.

When you look at other teams and how they cope with their opposition; Pompey smashing Charlton and Millwall, two teams we couldn’t; Wrexham beating Ipswich etc - it says a lot about us.

Have a day off, you and Mickey both need to stop being such princesses when we don’t win every single game. 

[Football Special]

16 hours ago, Football Special said:

Watch us draw with Charlton now,  1-1 

Bloody typical Saints , textbook 

[Harry_SFC]

7 minutes ago, bpsaint said:

Don’t understand why we always seem to look lethargic after a break. Said in the match thread some of these guys have had 9 days off whilst Charlton got battered midweek. Did our players think all they had to do today was turn up to win?

Definitely feels like 2 points dropped, midweek needs to be a win if we’re serious about contending for a playoff spot.

7 points this week would be decent enough. Pressure on these next two now though. Especially given QPR easily turned Hull over today. 

[Gloucester Saint]

11 minutes ago, Yorkshire Saint said:

🤣 Class A Knobhead. 

He absolutely is a dickhead and Rasmus deserves to be shot simply for bringing his toxic ego into our club, let alone all of his other offences.

But the fans singing ‘Cheer up Nathan Jones’ on repeat doesn’t exactly disabuse him of the notion that everything revolves around him.

[tdmickey3]

7 minutes ago, Saint-Reece said:

Have a day off, you and Mickey both need to stop being such princesses when we don’t win every single game. 

No one expects us to win every game you prick but not beating an awful Charlton team is not good enough, but you keep accepting this shows you for what you are, a lapping seal

[tdmickey3]

21 minutes ago, Plastic said:

Great support from Charlton today. Decent first half for Saints. Shame they couldn’t put it to bed. 

How was it decent?
We scored zero against Charlton ffs

[revolution saint]

Frustrating result but have to give some credit to Charlton. They obviously came for a point and were pretty sound defensively. 

[stfrancisofbenali]

Lost control and composure when Charles came off. Best player on the pitch. I know it’s difficult managing minutes of players returning from injury but at this stage of the season you need to be ruthless. 

[AlexLaw76]

Just now, revolution saint said:

Frustrating result but have to give some credit to Charlton. They obviously came for a point and were pretty sound defensively. 

They were to be fair.

[stfrancisofbenali]

Just now, revolution saint said:

Frustrating result but have to give some credit to Charlton. They obviously came for a point and were pretty sound defensively. 

Miles Leaburn turned the game in their favour as he started beating up our defenders. One to watch. 

[tdmickey3]

Just now, AlexLaw76 said:

They were to be fair.

We made them look that way because our coach has no idea how to change things when it’s not working.

Portsmouth managed it 

[SNSUN]

Well i slept through that (I'm working Nights) so only going by the score, it isn't good when we are, on paper, a much better side than Charlton. Ross on the scoresheet is a positive. Need more goals from the support players though. Bit of a slam back to Earth after such a good second half against Leicester.

[Give it to Ron]

Just now, tdmickey3 said:

We made them look that way because our coach has no idea how to change things when it’s not working.

Portsmouth managed it 

TBF they didn’t it was a goalkeeper howler and a penalty that never was.

Today we had the game won and went for data driven changes if a change was needed Jander  for Azaz keep the shape just make us harder not easier through the middle. 

[miltonroad]

Great effort with the Nathan Jones chants; fucking moronic and was never going to work in our favour. So predictable, mad Nate is laughing at the obsessed ones. 

[Dr Who?]

Lot of huff and puff and plenty of the ball, but lacking ideas and quality in front of goal (apart from the goal). Perhaps we should try it more often? Just void of ideas on how to break down a poor Charlton side. 

[vectraman]

4 minutes ago, tdmickey3 said:

We made them look that way because our coach has no idea how to change things when it’s not working.

Portsmouth managed it 

Charlton were away, played a low block and wanted (and got) a point. You can’t win every game, and sometimes just have to accept the opposing team did enough to get their point. 

At home they attacked the Skates, left space in behind and got done, just like we done them. 
 

It is what it is - Football the greatest, most frustrating, yet so simple game. 
 

We did it to City (and had their anti-football huff) because we didn’t let them win last season. 
 

Beat QPR and it’ll be forgotten. Just like Nathan Jones. 
 

[die Mannyschaft]

What the hell was that. 85 million passes sidd to side. What is the point having midfielders if nothing is going though infront. We dong havd the talent to be creative.  Why cant we shoot at edge box instead of 19 touches tgen fall over or kick ball against defenders.  Corners terrible. Slow, slow boring boring football.  Today was Russell Martin gold plus but without the shots.

Cant see us making 6th as need wins to over take teams. 

2nd half too light weight,  again we can't play 2 halves the same way. 

Oh well at least another derby next season as one team not going down tge other not going up.

Probably draw at Sheffield Wednesday!!

[Cabrone]

Typical Saints, work yourself into a decent position and then bottle it.

Knowing us we'll beat Coventry at their place in a month's time to balance this one out.

What a downer.

[Lighthouse]

Frustrating but you can't win them all. You take four points from this and Leicester away, or this and QPR, so win our next game and it looks okay in the grand scheme of things. You can talk all day about the games you should be winning but it's rearely that simply.

Lacked a bit of cutting edge and luck today. If Manning's crossbar effort goes in after 25 minutes it's a different game. Azaz had one of those Azaz games, Fellows couldn't finish his dinner and the subs didn't add much either. We did our usual trick of falling asleep for one minute and let in another goal which Bazunu would have been crucified for, but the Peretz thread remains strangely dormant.

[Wade Garrett]

Think we were a bit naive against their low block.  Needed our wide players wide.  For me, Fellows stayed wide, as did Edozie.  But Scienza kept coming inside where there wasn’t a lot of space and I have no idea what Matsuki was doing.  He was fucking dogshit.

We didn’t do the simple things well.  I like Azaz, but sometimes his first touch is like he’s wearing lead boots.

Shea Charles may have broken a record today for the amount of times he gave the ball away.  
All in all, a pretty shitty game.  Thought Charlton’s centre-backs were excellent. 
The goal we conceded looked like we couldn’t be bothered to close down from the wide position to the shot.

Downes looked lucky not to get a red.  But he is becoming my favourite player, so combative.

We’re not a very good side.

[benjii]

2 hours ago, badgerx16 said:

If we miss the playoffs it will be because we took 3 points in 7 games either side of Christmas, not because we drew today.

It will be because we wasted a quarter of the season with Still!

[benjii]

Just one of those days.

Played well. Silly pass from THB, then slightly lazy closing down and a potential GK error dripped the points.

On another day we would have been a couple up at HT.

[jamesfp1]

One of those days. Still fucking annoying though.

Edited 1 hour ago by jamesfp1

[JohnnyShearer2.0]

Disappointing. Charlton came to frustrate and they did.

Should have been out of sight in the first half. Definitely shaping up to be a season where Saints have let numerous opportunities slip.

[Sheaf Saint]

31 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

Frustrating but you can't win them all. You take four points from this and Leicester away, or this and QPR, so win our next game and it looks okay in the grand scheme of things. You can talk all day about the games you should be winning but it's rearely that simply.

Lacked a bit of cutting edge and luck today. If Manning's crossbar effort goes in after 25 minutes it's a different game. Azaz had one of those Azaz games, Fellows couldn't finish his dinner and the subs didn't add much either. We did our usual trick of falling asleep for one minute and let in another goal which Bazunu would have been crucified for, but the Peretz thread remains strangely dormant.

Peretz still has credit in his account because he has shown that he is capable of pulling off some good saves.

Pretty much everyone on this thread agrees that he could, and probably should, have done better with that shot today.

When he starts letting those in every single time, then he will deservedly start getting the same criticism as Bazunu.

[SNSUN]

Still only 4 points off Wrexham. Might as well keep fighting until it's mathematically impossible. 2 wins from QPR (tough) and Wednesday (not tough) and today is forgotten.