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    Quote Originally Posted by TommyD View Post
    Is Flannigan still injured?
    I believe so. Haven't seen him in training pics.

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    Ralph says he doesn't know extent of Ings injury.

    Mentions he has a problem before the game. This happened before, I believe.

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    I hope the 'promise to purchase' had a suitable sick note clause in it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperSAINT View Post
    Ralph says he doesn't know extent of Ings injury.

    Mentions he has a problem before the game. This happened before, I believe.
    He tweaked something in the warmup against Watford -some say it was the back of the knee; others say it was a hamstring. Either way had to be subbed just before H/T and ended up missing 5 games.

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    Seems crazy to have risked him again if he felt something beforehand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baird of the land View Post
    Seems crazy to have risked him again if he felt something beforehand.
    This.

    I'm no medic, but wondering if the cold weather acts as a bit of a catalyst for someone who is susceptible to muscle injuries? (Likely to be bowlocks but I've a masters in thinking out loud...)

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    I've heard that the obligation to buy kicks in when he's made a certain amount of appearances. It's not looking great tbh as he keeps getting these muscular tweaks all the time. He's a class player as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shance View Post
    I've heard that the obligation to buy kicks in when he's made a certain amount of appearances.
    If that's the case, assume we haven't passed the threshold yet? Wonder if we'll start to see less of Ings as the season goes on so that we get to keep our options open?

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    Quote Originally Posted by trousers View Post
    If that's the case, assume we haven't passed the threshold yet? Wonder if we'll start to see less of Ings as the season goes on so that we get to keep our options open?
    We aren't good enough to leave him out when he is fit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trousers View Post
    If that's the case, assume we haven't passed the threshold yet? Wonder if we'll start to see less of Ings as the season goes on so that we get to keep our options open?
    I have no idea what the number is and I did ask. If true, then I can imagine he'll be bench more towards the end of the season if we are safe but that's pure speculation on my part.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shance View Post
    I have no idea what the number is and I did ask. If true, then I can imagine he'll be bench more towards the end of the season if we are safe but that's pure speculation on my part.
    If true....

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    Quote Originally Posted by shurlock View Post
    If true....
    Yes, that's what I said.

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    Echo says felt his hamstring could miss Cardiff game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by derry View Post
    Echo says felt his hamstring could miss Cardiff game.
    I'm hoping it's just precautionary. He had only just come back from his hammy injury and played the full 90 in midweek against Palace. If it was feeling a little tight then it was probably wise to take him off when we did rather than risk doing any more damage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by derry View Post
    Echo says felt his hamstring could miss Cardiff game.
    As Shurlock mentioned above, strikingly similar to the Watford game where he felt it in the warm-up & injured it during the game.

    I'm not convinced he can play midweek games as well as the weekend ones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperSAINT View Post
    I'm not convinced he can play midweek games as well as the weekend ones.
    I'm not convinced he can play reliably for a season at all, if he genuinely could then he wouldn't be "on loan" to us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shance View Post
    I have no idea what the number is and I did ask. If true, then I can imagine he'll be bench more towards the end of the season if we are safe but that's pure speculation on my part.
    If it is true it is even barmier not to have got a new striker in, even on loan, in the transfer window just gone. Which could just mean ongoing general transfer incompetence, or that it is just not true. Or both.

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    or the players we were interested in were unavailable or much too expensive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SFC Forever View Post
    or the players we were interested in were unavailable or much too expensive.
    I would say these two elements could probably have been found at about earlier, moving onto the next targets

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    If Ings is so/so I'd rather see him sit for Cardiff. We can potentially win without him, and then he gets a good 2 weeks more to rest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DT View Post
    I would say these two elements could probably have been found at about earlier, moving onto the next targets
    You're over-simplifying the situation.

    You identify your targets early on and begin negotiations, on the understanding that a deal 'could' be reached if it is right for all parties. The selling clubs and the agents hold out til the very last minute in the hopes of getting the best possible deal; and so does the buying club, hoping that as the window draws to a close the seller will be desperate enough to sell that they will cave in and drop to your lower offer. In most cases, this doesn't happen and the deal doesn't go through. This is why you have multiple targets, in the hope that if one falls through, another can be completed.

    It's not exclusive to Saints by any means, and it doesn't prove that the board are incompetent. Look at how many rumours were flying around about other club's transfer targets, and compare that to how many of them actually materialised. There are only a handful of clubs in England who are either rich enough or stupid enough to pay the over-inflated valuations of players in January. Ours is not one of them. Whether you think that is a good thing or a bad thing is up to you, but personally I am glad we're no longer in the business of throwing good money after bad, following Les Reed's disastrous transfer strategy over the last few years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DT View Post
    I would say these two elements could probably have been found at about earlier, moving onto the next targets
    Targets like Carillo, I take it.

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    For sure if it goes on like this we would be mad to make Ing's loan deal permanent in the summer. This really will be a tough decision for the club as the lad is clearly talented as we saw with his worldie against Arsenal but we just don't have enough money to indulge in sentimentality.

    Presumably they'll give Carillo & Boufal every chance of rehabilitation before pressing any buttons on Ings. Right now I'd be doing whatever it takes to get Augustin in the summer and let Danny go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charlie Wayman View Post
    For sure if it goes on like this we would be mad to make Ing's loan deal permanent in the summer. This really will be a tough decision for the club as the lad is clearly talented as we saw with his worldie against Arsenal but we just don't have enough money to indulge in sentimentality.

    Presumably they'll give Carillo & Boufal every chance of rehabilitation before pressing any buttons on Ings. Right now I'd be doing whatever it takes to get Augustin in the summer and let Danny go.
    yep. or the only other option I can see is that if we are forced to buy, then offer a contract with heavy incentives based on appearances/goal contributions but a lower basic wage

    (I doubt he would accept a pay as you play contract of course- are these even about anymore?)

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    Quote Originally Posted by suewhistle View Post
    Targets like Carillo, I take it.
    I think we'll be looking at cheaper targets than Carrillo in future. At least less money will be wasted but it also means there is even less chance of them being good enough for the Premier League.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charlie Wayman View Post
    For sure if it goes on like this we would be mad to make Ing's loan deal permanent in the summer. This really will be a tough decision for the club as the lad is clearly talented as we saw with his worldie against Arsenal but we just don't have enough money to indulge in sentimentality.

    Presumably they'll give Carillo & Boufal every chance of rehabilitation before pressing any buttons on Ings. Right now I'd be doing whatever it takes to get Augustin in the summer and let Danny go.
    I thought we were committed to buying Ings. You would have hoped that some sort of clause regarding availability might have been inserted, but this is Southampton......

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    I think it was made clear at the time that we were committed to buying Ings - where has the idea that we can send him back if he's no good come from?

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    Danny Ings is a great player when fit and is exactly what we need. However there is a reason why he is in a relegation battle with Saints rather than a title battle with Liverpool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aintforever View Post
    I think it was made clear at the time that we were committed to buying Ings - where has the idea that we can send him back if he's no good come from?
    Just BS from one poster on here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nta786 View Post
    yep. or the only other option I can see is that if we are forced to buy, then offer a contract with heavy incentives based on appearances/goal contributions but a lower basic wage

    (I doubt he would accept a pay as you play contract of course- are these even about anymore?)
    It's a loan with an obligation to buy. Which would mean the contract he signed covers next season and beyond and is non-negotiable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Munster View Post
    It's a loan with an obligation to buy. Which would mean the contract he signed covers next season and beyond and is non-negotiable.
    Surely we can just say NO, it's a very powerful word when we still have the cash!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charlie Wayman View Post
    Surely we can just say NO, it's a very powerful word when we still have the cash!
    And be sued for breech of contract

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    This is what was reported by The Daily Echo at the time...

    https://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/16...-deadline-day/
    Danny Ings has made an emotional homecoming after the Saints fan signed for the club he loves in a dramatic deadline day deal.

    The 26-year-old striker, who grew up playing football on Netley Recreation Ground, was a shock late signing for Saints.

    Indeed, the move came so late in the day that Saints had to submit a deal sheet to the Premier League to grant them a two-hour extension to the transfer window to get the deal done.

    Ings has joined from Liverpool on loan for the rest of the season ahead of a permanent switch next summer for a fee of £16m.
    Don't think it's terrible value at £16m in todays market. but seems like it's obligatory, not an option.

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    Quote Originally Posted by waylander View Post
    And be sued for breech of contract
    Naive, no is not a strong word in contract law. We will also have already paid a substantial instalment so technically "we don't still have the cash". Sooner some people realise we have already bought Danny Ings the better, there is no getting out of it even if we wanted to. The loan is a technicality.

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    Hopefully and end of season rest and then a proper, full pre season (which he didnt have this year) would really help him.

    For £16m he is good value IMO. You don't get much for that and he is a quality player, plus clearly has a connection with the club.

    A bigger problem is the other strikers when he isnt available.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dusic View Post
    Hopefully and end of season rest and then a proper, full pre season (which he didnt have this year) would really help him.

    For £16m he is good value IMO. You don't get much for that and he is a quality player, plus clearly has a connection with the club.

    A bigger problem is the other strikers when he isnt available.
    Totally agree. Danny obviously wants to be the number one striker but he cant expect that to be the case with a constant injury record. If hes here next season as our 2nd or 3rd choice then I would be pretty happy.

    Augustin (or Poulsen), Adams, Ings, Obafemi and Barnes would be good depth

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dusic View Post
    Hopefully and end of season rest and then a proper, full pre season (which he didnt have this year) would really help him.
    You're just reheating the same straw-clutching bargaining that has been Charlie Austin's domain for the past three years: if he can only get a full pre season under his belt...

    How's that worked out? Austin actually, finally managed to get fit for the start of this season, but he's still a physical wreck that we can't even sell for scrap.

    The good news with Ings is at least his popodom knees haven't exoloded yet. It's the rest of his body that's failing - perhaps as a result of trying to compensate for reduced powers caused by long-term injuries. Even when he has been fit it's clear that he's not the player he was - his pace is nothing like it used to be.

    It'd be amazing if he got consistently fit, sharp, and started banging them on the the regular, but I just don't see it happening, sadly. For £20m we haven't got, it's not looking like the shrewdest business at this stage.

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    Ings is miles better than Austin.

    Besides, we clearly have to sign him so hopefully a full pre season helps him.

    If we had better backups then we could rest him for midweek games if that helps.

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    A decent preseason would help get an unfit player fit but there's a difference between being unfit and injury prone; Ings is the latter. All preseason is to him is another chance to get injured.

    I look forward to being told he has picked up a knock in a friendly against Real Sociedad and will miss the opening game of the season, only for that to mysteriously drag out until late September with little explanation given.

    Cynical, me?!

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    What exactly did Obafemi do to be out this long?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Give it to Ron View Post
    What exactly did Obafemi do to be out this long?

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    Think it was hamstring.

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    Ings hamstring. 2 to 3 weeks.

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    Really is a shame that there is no get out clause in our deal with Liverpool and we look set to waste more money on signing him. He's missing Cardiff and probably Fulham - two massive, must win games.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saints foreva View Post
    Really is a shame that there is no get out clause in our deal with Liverpool and we look set to waste more money on signing him. He's missing Cardiff and probably Fulham - two massive, must win games.
    & hamstring's tend to be tricky. It's possible he could be out longer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperSAINT View Post
    & hamstring's tend to be tricky. It's possible he could be out longer.
    Lucky for us we bought in the Adam's- hang on...........

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    Ings would be a great player if he did not spend so much time in the treatment room.

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    Quote Originally Posted by whiteleySaint30 View Post
    Lucky for us we bought in the Adam's- hang on...........
    In fairness to the club, who could've predicted Ings would get injured?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Munster View Post
    In fairness to the club, who could've predicted Ings would get injured?
    Considerng the amount of games he’s missed for us already and dare I say it Liverpool then it’s predictable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pilchards View Post
    Considerng the amount of games heís missed for us already and dare I say it Liverpool then itís predictable.
    You must be such a laugh at parties.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pancake View Post
    You must be such a laugh at parties.
    Forking our 20m is hardly a laugh is it?

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