Mallagroth Posted 23 July, 2022 Share Posted 23 July, 2022 In summary: there’s signs of life but probably still terminal. urgent treatment required Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SambaMaverick Posted 23 July, 2022 Share Posted 23 July, 2022 1 minute ago, BARCELONASAINT said: having watched all three pre-seasons game one thing is glaringly obvious, it does not matter who we have up front, we could have harry Kane and he wouldn't have barely touched the ball. We totally lack any creativity for our strikers to feed off. Adam Armstrong did nothing wrong, he worked hard and irritated the hell out of Watfords defence. Che barely touched the ball and looked utterly pissed off with the lack of service despite the runs he kept making. We really need to address the creativity area or we are in for another frustrating season. I think you mean Watford's defence irritated Adam Armstrong - because he barely had a touch in that first half. He was completely bullied. At least Che has the ability to come short and hold it up, and also has the intelligence to drift out wide if he doesn't get it for a while. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nordic Saint Posted 23 July, 2022 Share Posted 23 July, 2022 (edited) So, 1 win in our last 16 games (the 1-0 v Arsenal). At least if Ralph plays Bazunu instead of McCarthy, we should get a few more scoreless draws. Gyökeres scored for Coventry at Fratton Park today and of course he scored against us at St Mary's last season. I think he could be the tall, 10+ goal a season striker we need. He's a Swedish international and still only 24 so maybe not too old for our owners to turn a profit on. Edited 23 July, 2022 by Nordic Saint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West end Saints Posted 23 July, 2022 Share Posted 23 July, 2022 Not seen it, but reading this, sounds like priority is upgrading both Armstrongs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tunit Posted 23 July, 2022 Share Posted 23 July, 2022 I don't think the unwatered pitch helped with the attacking for either team to be honest. When you're used to playing on fast, slick surfaces its hard to adjust. Having said that we do still need a creative spark. Djenepo was good this afternoon and I think Diamond has been good in the two previous games. It makes me laugh when I see people having meltdowns from pre season games. Seen people on twitter questioning Ralphs subs and tactics in a friendly haha. We've had terrible pre seasons before and done well in the season and we've had great pre seasons and done awfully. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BARCELONASAINT Posted 23 July, 2022 Share Posted 23 July, 2022 3 minutes ago, SambaMaverick said: I think you mean Watford's defence irritated Adam Armstrong - because he barely had a touch in that first half. He was completely bullied. At least Che has the ability to come short and hold it up, and also has the intelligence to drift out wide if he doesn't get it for a while. tell me how many chances against a Championship side we created for our strikers??? My point is at the moment we could have the best strikers in the world and it would not make any difference as we are not creating any chances for our strikers. Elynousi, Djneppo created nothing. We rely on JWP and Stu far too much We really need to address our lack of creativity 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baird of the land Posted 23 July, 2022 Share Posted 23 July, 2022 Guess we'll see what it looks like once our remaining purchases happen. Right now i'm not particularly enthused by seeming defensive approach. Armstrong may not be the answer but i highly doubt whoever we bring in would thrive in a system which appears to offer little support. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northam soul Posted 23 July, 2022 Share Posted 23 July, 2022 6 minutes ago, West end Saints said: Not seen it, but reading this, sounds like priority is upgrading both Armstrongs Stuart Armstrong was arguably our best player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SambaMaverick Posted 23 July, 2022 Share Posted 23 July, 2022 2 minutes ago, BARCELONASAINT said: tell me how many chances against a Championship side we created for our strikers??? My point is at the moment we could have the best strikers in the world and it would not make any difference as we are not creating any chances for our strikers. Elynousi, Djneppo created nothing. We rely on JWP and Stu far too much We really need to address our lack of creativity Yeah we didn't create anything but you said he irritated their defence, which is just wrong. Even if we do come up with this creativity, AA9 isn't the answer. He's not good enough - loan to buy please. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nordic Saint Posted 23 July, 2022 Share Posted 23 July, 2022 1 minute ago, BARCELONASAINT said: tell me how many chances against a Championship side we created for our strikers??? My point is at the moment we could have the best strikers in the world and it would not make any difference as we are not creating any chances for our strikers. Elynousi, Djneppo created nothing. We rely on JWP and Stu far too much We really need to address our lack of creativity We were one of the top teams in the Premier League last season for putting high crossses and corners into the penalty box for a tall striker we didn't have to head the ball into the net. I assume those will be our tactics again this season but hopefully, we'll have a new striker who is good at heading. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris cooper Posted 23 July, 2022 Share Posted 23 July, 2022 (edited) Huffed n puffed performance against a side who will finish in the top 3 or higher in the championship.. minutes in legs again for us but agree with most on here that we have no creativity for our strikers to feed off .. AA and che looked very frustrated. stu Armstrong had some moments was our best outfield player .. Kwp was solid .. Aribo looks a tricky customer but still adapting to the new players around him .. lavia looked tired today. class from bazunu looks a real talent and absolutely needs to be our no. 1 Edited 23 July, 2022 by Chris cooper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roo1976 Posted 23 July, 2022 Share Posted 23 July, 2022 35 minutes ago, BARCELONASAINT said: tell me how many chances against a Championship side we created for our strikers??? My point is at the moment we could have the best strikers in the world and it would not make any difference as we are not creating any chances for our strikers. Elynousi, Djneppo created nothing. We rely on JWP and Stu far too much We really need to address our lack of creativity Caleb Watts maybe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puddings and Monkeys Posted 23 July, 2022 Share Posted 23 July, 2022 46 minutes ago, coalman said: It's a shame we're waiting so late in the transfer window to bring someone in up front. But I think having different options up there will unlock a lot of the potential in this team. I don't think Ralph has had his strongest side all on the pitch together yet either. Agree with your last sentence. But it’s not for the lack of trying that we haven’t got our new strikers in - Chelsea apparently dicking us around re Broja; Man City refusing to accept our bid for Delap; Dembele yet to be convinced……plus more. Who do these bloody clubs think they are FFS!!! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintant Posted 23 July, 2022 Share Posted 23 July, 2022 53 minutes ago, beatlesaint said: I hope Mara is good cos bloody hell he’s gonna need to be. As others have already said...if you don't create you can't expect your forwards to score. It's a chicken and egg situation and whilst I agree we need strengthening up front maybe the real problem is a compete lack of creativity. Blame your forward when they are missing a hatful of chances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cat Posted 23 July, 2022 Share Posted 23 July, 2022 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint lard Posted 23 July, 2022 Share Posted 23 July, 2022 (edited) Hasenhuttl: “It was slow because there was no water on the pitch which can happen. Maybe not in the Premier League but in the Carabao Cup. But it was a good test. For us, you can see both teams were struggling to speed up the game because it was slow today.” oh just fuck off. getting his usual excuses in early. Everyone else’s fault but his. I really fucking hate this bloke. Edited 23 July, 2022 by saint lard 9 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golac's Cunning Stunts Posted 23 July, 2022 Share Posted 23 July, 2022 9 minutes ago, saintant said: As others have already said...if you don't create you can't expect your forwards to score. It's a chicken and egg situation and whilst I agree we need strengthening up front maybe the real problem is a compete lack of creativity. Blame your forward when they are missing a hatful of chances. If Ralph is going to play 5 at the back then we need to be good on the counter attack which we absolutely are not. So either he changes tactics (won't happen) or we get players in who can do the job. I've been a critic of A.Armstrong - certainly doesn't look like he can hit the proverbial barn door at the moment - but I think he might have the qualities to spearhead a team that is a good and swift counterattacking unit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danbert Posted 23 July, 2022 Share Posted 23 July, 2022 Highlights https://www.southamptonfc.com/news/2022-07-23/highlights-watford-southampton-pre-season-friendly-saturday-23-july-2022 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OttawaSaint Posted 23 July, 2022 Share Posted 23 July, 2022 26 minutes ago, The Cat said: Oh Jesus, is this the plan? Miss out on our Striker targets and play Stu up top? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Karloff Posted 23 July, 2022 Share Posted 23 July, 2022 32 minutes ago, saint lard said: Hasenhuttl: “It was slow because there was no water on the pitch which can happen. Maybe not in the Premier League but in the Carabao Cup. But it was a good test. For us, you can see both teams were struggling to speed up the game because it was slow today.” oh just fuck off. getting his usual excuses in early. Everyone else’s fault but his. I really fucking hate this bloke. We didn't score because they don't water the pitch. That didn't stop QPR from scoring 8 (eight) on the same pitch on Wednesday! 3 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 23 July, 2022 Share Posted 23 July, 2022 5 minutes ago, OttawaSaint said: Oh Jesus, is this the plan? Miss out on our Striker targets and play Stu up top? Can’t be any worse than Redmond as a striker…….although probably not much better. Another Ralph brainwave 😱 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manuel Posted 23 July, 2022 Share Posted 23 July, 2022 Only saw the highlights. Looked like zero shots on target? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cat Posted 23 July, 2022 Share Posted 23 July, 2022 47 minutes ago, saint lard said: Hasenhuttl: “It was slow because there was no water on the pitch which can happen. Maybe not in the Premier League but in the Carabao Cup. But it was a good test. For us, you can see both teams were struggling to speed up the game because it was slow today.” oh just fuck off. getting his usual excuses in early. Everyone else’s fault but his. I really fucking hate this bloke. Is he making an excuse or just stating a fact? He's literally said "both teams were struggling", it's not like he said it was only negative towards Saints. But don't let that influence your bias. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cat Posted 23 July, 2022 Share Posted 23 July, 2022 23 minutes ago, OttawaSaint said: Oh Jesus, is this the plan? Miss out on our Striker targets and play Stu up top? I doubt it. More that it's an option we haven't tried before and could be used if we really have to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dman Posted 23 July, 2022 Share Posted 23 July, 2022 We are worryingly shit 2 weeks out from the start of the season. Young lads will be lambs to the slaughter come the game against Tottenham. In short, can’t see hassenhuttl lasting any more than 10 games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cat Posted 23 July, 2022 Share Posted 23 July, 2022 17 minutes ago, Manuel said: Only saw the highlights. Looked like zero shots on target? There was a shot on target during the first clip when Aribo tried to dink the ball over the keeper wasn't there? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dman Posted 23 July, 2022 Share Posted 23 July, 2022 57 minutes ago, The Cat said: Christ. Sounds like we’re heading into the he season with a werid Ralph plan in mind. The bloke seems incapable of playing players in their best position and / or finding a formation that suits our best players. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint lard Posted 23 July, 2022 Share Posted 23 July, 2022 6 minutes ago, The Cat said: Is he making an excuse or just stating a fact? He's literally said "both teams were struggling", it's not like he said it was only negative towards Saints. But don't let that influence your bias. I just don’t think he’s very good. And any excuse will do. No responsibility taken ever. He’s turd. even Adkins was a tad likeable. 🤷🏻♂️ 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Convict Colony Posted 23 July, 2022 Share Posted 23 July, 2022 2 minutes ago, Dman said: We are worryingly shit 2 weeks out from the start of the season. Young lads will be lambs to the slaughter come the game against Tottenham. In short, can’t see hassenhuttl lasting any more than 10 games. This your first pre-season then ? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baird of the land Posted 23 July, 2022 Share Posted 23 July, 2022 55 minutes ago, The Cat said: Seems to be sending a truly depressing message. Avoid risks at all costs approach. Attacking midfielders not to drive with the ball. Playing someone up front, completely out of position and creating zilch in an attacking sense is a success. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 23 July, 2022 Share Posted 23 July, 2022 1 hour ago, saint lard said: Hasenhuttl: “It was slow because there was no water on the pitch which can happen. Maybe not in the Premier League but in the Carabao Cup. But it was a good test. For us, you can see both teams were struggling to speed up the game because it was slow today.” oh just fuck off. getting his usual excuses in early. Everyone else’s fault but his. I really fucking hate this bloke. So the manager comments that the pitch was slow because of a lack of water, which affected both teams, in a preseason friendly and your response is that he should, “just f**k off.” Seems fair and rational. 🙄 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golac's Cunning Stunts Posted 23 July, 2022 Share Posted 23 July, 2022 2 minutes ago, Baird of the land said: Seems to be sending a truly depressing message. Avoid risks at all costs approach. Attacking midfielders not to drive with the ball. Playing someone up front, completely out of position and creating zilch in an attacking sense is a success. Pretty much like the home game vs the scousers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cat Posted 23 July, 2022 Share Posted 23 July, 2022 1 minute ago, Baird of the land said: Seems to be sending a truly depressing message. Avoid risks at all costs approach. Attacking midfielders not to drive with the ball. Playing someone up front, completely out of position and creating zilch in an attacking sense is a success. I don't understand how you read that avoiding risks at all costs? He didn't say anything about not wanting attacking midfielders to drive with the ball? Pretty sure if that was the case we wouldn't have bought Aribo and Mara who both like to do that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 23 July, 2022 Share Posted 23 July, 2022 6 minutes ago, saint lard said: I just don’t think he’s very good. And any excuse will do. No responsibility taken ever. He’s turd. even Adkins was a tad likeable. 🤷🏻♂️ Yeah, that cheeky smile really made up for those horrific back to back promotions. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cat Posted 23 July, 2022 Share Posted 23 July, 2022 7 minutes ago, saint lard said: I just don’t think he’s very good. And any excuse will do. No responsibility taken ever. He’s turd. even Adkins was a tad likeable. 🤷🏻♂️ Adkins was only a "tad" likeable? Wow. He's the nicest bloke we've had as a manager since Lawrie. I think you should draw a blue line under this and move on. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Wolf Posted 23 July, 2022 Share Posted 23 July, 2022 3 hours ago, AlexLaw76 said: if we continue his inane setups, he wont last beyond the world cup with a normal Premier League side - which we now are, once again Those set ups keeping us up year after year... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexLaw76 Posted 23 July, 2022 Share Posted 23 July, 2022 Just now, Bad Wolf said: Those set ups keeping us up year after year... Well, he has a 'period of time' to remain in the job, according to our resident ITKs on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cat Posted 23 July, 2022 Share Posted 23 July, 2022 35 minutes ago, Boris Karloff said: We didn't score because they don't water the pitch. That didn't stop QPR from scoring 8 (eight) on the same pitch on Wednesday! Against a conference team with 4 trialists in their squad. Bit different, but don't let that stop you. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puddings and Monkeys Posted 23 July, 2022 Share Posted 23 July, 2022 2 minutes ago, The Cat said: I don't understand how you read that avoiding risks at all costs? He didn't say anything about not wanting attacking midfielders to drive with the ball? Pretty sure if that was the case we wouldn't have bought Aribo and Mara who both like to do that. Spot on. People have quickly forgotten how defensively poor we were last season. I’m perfectly fine with us sorting that out first - we know there are strikers on the way that the club believe are better than we currently have. That will bring the balance and attacking threat we are looking for. The future is really positive,! 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 23 July, 2022 Share Posted 23 July, 2022 So for anyone who watched that did we play that non entity not really doing anything style that we ended last season on or is the pressing game back? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 23 July, 2022 Share Posted 23 July, 2022 1 minute ago, beatlesaint said: So for anyone who watched that did we play that non entity not really doing anything style that we ended last season on or is the pressing game back? It's hard to read much into pre-season to be honest, but it was a bit of a half arsed press if anything. Not much thrust going forward, but when is there ever any thrust going forward with the current crop. Aribo looks like he can add something different though, a bit of physicality and power on the ball. Adam Armstrong, Elyounoussi, Moussa etc, feels like we're continuously flogging 3 dead horses. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Karloff Posted 23 July, 2022 Share Posted 23 July, 2022 24 minutes ago, The Cat said: Against a conference team with 4 trialists in their squad. Bit different, but don't let that stop you. Was half joking, but OK the lack of water on the pitch didn't stop the conference team with 4 trialists from scoring twice against a championship side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex Lion Tamer Posted 23 July, 2022 Share Posted 23 July, 2022 1 hour ago, OttawaSaint said: Oh Jesus, is this the plan? Miss out on our Striker targets and play Stu up top? And after we played Djenepo at left back all last season, when will he learn? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Matty 76 Posted 23 July, 2022 Share Posted 23 July, 2022 3 hours ago, Turkish said: No He didn’t. He inherited a a team that had had its two leading goal scorers and best midfielder sold and its captain wanting a move and got one and its best player injured for half of the season. So in fairness he had nothing like the team that finished 6th Completely fair, just mean the level of expectation was obviously skewed as a result. Also the football was obviously really good under Koeman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 23 July, 2022 Share Posted 23 July, 2022 2 hours ago, OttawaSaint said: Oh Jesus, is this the plan? Miss out on our Striker targets and play Stu up top? If we can play him in MF as well, then that might be OK 🤣 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HnycS Posted 23 July, 2022 Share Posted 23 July, 2022 7 hours ago, Nordic Saint said: So, 1 win in our last 16 games (the 1-0 v Arsenal). At least if Ralph plays Bazunu instead of McCarthy, we should get a few more scoreless draws. Gyökeres scored for Coventry at Fratton Park today and of course he scored against us at St Mary's last season. I think he could be the tall, 10+ goal a season striker we need. He's a Swedish international and still only 24 so maybe not too old for our owners to turn a profit on. Thank you, I have been trying to remember that players name, definitely looked, without being unkind, like a version of Broja who had failed to fulfill his potential. Wonder what happened in his spell at Brighton? Not enough I guess? But anyway yes maybe a little like Lambert, some strikers mature and fulfill or exceed potential later in their careers. Worth a gamble on IMO. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarvSFC Posted 24 July, 2022 Share Posted 24 July, 2022 At least we aren't managed by Mark Hughes. Similar to when we were getting beat 3-0 by Derby in pre-season 2018. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kermitzasaint Posted 24 July, 2022 Share Posted 24 July, 2022 9 hours ago, LGTL said: No matter the question, Adam Armstrong has never, and will never, be the answer. Disasterous signing. So why did he score for fun before us? Ralph can't set up our midfield to provide him with the service he needs. That's a Ralph problem, not an AA problem. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintBitterne Posted 24 July, 2022 Share Posted 24 July, 2022 This thread is very funny😆Dread to think what it would have been like if we had similar results to Everton or Brentford over the past few days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRM Posted 24 July, 2022 Share Posted 24 July, 2022 41 minutes ago, SaintBitterne said: This thread is very funny😆Dread to think what it would have been like if we had similar results to Everton or Brentford over the past few days Everton fans are protesting at the club ownership I think for Saints you need to put into context alongside our end of season run of form. A winning side feels like a distant memory, Monaco and Villarreal could be tough depending what sides they put out, will be a shame if we go into the new season with no wins. Doesn't look like many tickets sold for Monaco, for anyone who travels by train worth checking the train strike timetable don't think there's any trains from Southampton after the match Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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