SNSUN Posted 19 July, 2022 Share Posted 19 July, 2022 2 hours ago, qwertyell said: Not certain even one of our signings starts the first game. Perhaps Aribo. It's nice to have some more very promising kids on board, but If we're not improving the absolutely dire first XI, it's just window dressing. IMHO. We have Spurs away... not denting the morale of the noob youngsters right away might be a good thing! 😝 Seriously hopefully we sign a striker in the next week so they have a chance to bed in before the season begins. I think if we start Adams and Adam we'll struggle to score goals against the better sides. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 19 July, 2022 Share Posted 19 July, 2022 3 minutes ago, SNSUN said: We have Spurs away... not denting the morale of the noob youngsters right away might be a good thing! 😝 How about it boosting their confidence... 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted 19 July, 2022 Share Posted 19 July, 2022 31 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said: How about it boosting their confidence... I think Spurs are a different beast even just a few months later. It's not impossible we won't win but they've made some very good signings. Mind you Kane usually starts slow so... 🤞 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toussaint Posted 19 July, 2022 Share Posted 19 July, 2022 On 18/07/2022 at 20:15, Holmes_and_Watson said: If we get a kit that good, it will be a real feather in our cap. 🙂 You are quite the lader in the humour department Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toussaint Posted 19 July, 2022 Share Posted 19 July, 2022 1 hour ago, Matthew Le God said: How about it boosting their confidence... That game was just before we were worked out and nullified by the whole of the premier league. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmes_and_Watson Posted 19 July, 2022 Share Posted 19 July, 2022 20 minutes ago, Toussaint said: You are quite the lader in the humour department Nice of you to say. While I might think of myself as a comedy ein-stein, others think my alpine puns are the wurst. Are they home yet? 🙂 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toussaint Posted 19 July, 2022 Share Posted 19 July, 2022 6 minutes ago, Holmes_and_Watson said: Nice of you to say. While I might think of myself as a comedy ein-stein, others think my alpine puns are the wurst. Are they home yet? 🙂 A schnappy comeback indeed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmes_and_Watson Posted 19 July, 2022 Share Posted 19 July, 2022 9 minutes ago, Toussaint said: A schnappy comeback indeed I'm glad you were im-pretzel-ed. 🙂 While pleaded to get to watch the preseason games, I'm trying not to read too much into what I see. There's plenty of sharpness to get back (or find considering the end of last season), and further personnel changes will alter the squad dynamics. As someone posted, great pre seasons can be followed by dismal seasons and vice versa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toussaint Posted 19 July, 2022 Share Posted 19 July, 2022 11 minutes ago, Holmes_and_Watson said: I'm glad you were im-pretzel-ed. 🙂 While pleaded to get to watch the preseason games, I'm trying not to read too much into what I see. There's plenty of sharpness to get back (or find considering the end of last season), and further personnel changes will alter the squad dynamics. As someone posted, great pre seasons can be followed by dismal seasons and vice versa. Maybe “no holds barred” was a euphemism for “double dismal” ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint86 Posted 19 July, 2022 Share Posted 19 July, 2022 3 hours ago, Matthew Le God said: How about it boosting their confidence... I remember that game. Broja almost decapitated for Spurs' second - should never have been given. Broja took his goal well in that, and great play from JWP for the two assists. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cat Posted 21 July, 2022 Share Posted 21 July, 2022 (edited) Imagine the fall out here if we lost 4-0 to an MLS team Edited 21 July, 2022 by The Cat 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 21 July, 2022 Share Posted 21 July, 2022 1 hour ago, The Cat said: Imagine the fall out here if we lost 4-0 to an MLS team Adrian Heath getting one over his old team. Apparently Minnesota are known as The Loons 🤣 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danbert Posted 21 July, 2022 Share Posted 21 July, 2022 Fat Frank already blaming the players and talking them down, I'm glad he's not our manager. It's going to be a long hard season for them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexLaw76 Posted 21 July, 2022 Share Posted 21 July, 2022 21 minutes ago, Danbert said: Fat Frank already blaming the players and talking them down, I'm glad he's not our manager. It's going to be a long hard season for them. If he is as bad as predicted, he will be gone during the World Cup. they have some good players and easily good enough to stay up with a decent manager Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrant Posted 21 July, 2022 Share Posted 21 July, 2022 18 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said: If he is as bad as predicted, he will be gone during the World Cup. they have some good players and easily good enough to stay up with a decent manager They have some expensive and very well paid players, certainly, but Lampard isn't the first manager to struggle to get much out of them. They've strengthened defensively with Tarkowski, which will help, but they've lost a player who single-handedly won them games last season and don't appear to have the money to replace him. Relying pretty heavily on Calvert-Lewin to regain the spark he had a year ago. I do suspect you're right that they'll bin him off mid-season, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 21 July, 2022 Share Posted 21 July, 2022 Not really sure what their expectations are as a club. I’m pretty sure their fans expect them to be competing with top 6, but given they’re in such a mess financially they’ll do well to just stay in the league until they can start spending again. But I also don’t see Lampard as a very good manager, so will be interesting to see how much patience they’ll have with him, I thought he was lucky to keep his job last season tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheaf Saint Posted 21 July, 2022 Share Posted 21 July, 2022 54 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said: If he is as bad as predicted, he will be gone during the World Cup. 33 minutes ago, stevegrant said: I do suspect you're right that they'll bin him off mid-season, though. Looks like some of their own fans agree with you... https://www.grandoldteam.com/forum/threads/frank-lampard.114412/post-9812309 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roo1976 Posted 21 July, 2022 Share Posted 21 July, 2022 6 hours ago, Danbert said: Fat Frank already blaming the players and talking them down, I'm glad he's not our manager. It's going to be a long hard season for them. hope so........... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted 22 July, 2022 Share Posted 22 July, 2022 See RBL got dicked by Liverpool. https://www.espn.com.au/football/report/_/gameId/641079 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 22 July, 2022 Share Posted 22 July, 2022 17 hours ago, AlexLaw76 said: If he is as bad as predicted, he will be gone during the World Cup. they have some good players and easily good enough to stay up with a decent manager I hope he does just enough to ride it out until the end of the season, but not well enough to finish above us! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spyinthesky Posted 22 July, 2022 Share Posted 22 July, 2022 11 hours ago, skintsaint said: See RBL got dicked by Liverpool. https://www.espn.com.au/football/report/_/gameId/641079 Of course it is wrong to read too much into pre season friendlies but this scoreline represents a comfortable win for Liverpool whereas we struggled against RBL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cloggy saint Posted 22 July, 2022 Share Posted 22 July, 2022 37 minutes ago, spyinthesky said: Of course it is wrong to read too much into pre season friendlies but this scoreline represents a comfortable win for Liverpool whereas we struggled against RBL Strange, it's almost as if Liverpool are better than us. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suhari Posted 22 July, 2022 Share Posted 22 July, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, cloggy saint said: Strange, it's almost as if Liverpool are better than us. I like to think that we softened up RBL. Did all the hard work, meaning they had an easier ride of it. A bit like when my wife loosens the pickled onion jar for me. Edited 22 July, 2022 by Suhari 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 22 July, 2022 Share Posted 22 July, 2022 2 hours ago, spyinthesky said: Of course it is wrong to read too much into pre season friendlies but this scoreline represents a comfortable win for Liverpool whereas we struggled against RBL You can't read anything into it really. I wouldn't say we struggled in the first half, we were quite competitive. Then McCarthy came on. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 22 July, 2022 Share Posted 22 July, 2022 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 23 July, 2022 Share Posted 23 July, 2022 15 hours ago, spyinthesky said: Of course it is wrong to read too much into pre season friendlies but this scoreline represents a comfortable win for Liverpool whereas we struggled against RBL We know Liverpool are significantly better than us, we don't need to read into anything to know it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davefizzy14 Posted 23 July, 2022 Share Posted 23 July, 2022 Is there a live stream for today's friendly against Watford does anyone know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SambaMaverick Posted 23 July, 2022 Share Posted 23 July, 2022 1 minute ago, davefizzy14 said: Is there a live stream for today's friendly against Watford does anyone know? £5 on Watford's website Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davefizzy14 Posted 23 July, 2022 Share Posted 23 July, 2022 13 minutes ago, SambaMaverick said: £5 on Watford's website Ok thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midfield_General Posted 23 July, 2022 Share Posted 23 July, 2022 One thing that’s really noticeable in that video is how physically slight Adam Armstrong looks compared to the other players when they’re talking to him in those interview segments. It’s not meant as an insult, but his natural build means he looks like a child surrounded by men there. Given what an important attribute physical strength is to help create space and opportunities for a forward, he really looks like he needs to bulk up a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexLaw76 Posted 23 July, 2022 Share Posted 23 July, 2022 what time is the game today, and it is stream-able? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 23 July, 2022 Share Posted 23 July, 2022 18 minutes ago, Midfield_General said: One thing that’s really noticeable in that video is how physically slight Adam Armstrong looks compared to the other players when they’re talking to him in those interview segments. It’s not meant as an insult, but his natural build means he looks like a child surrounded by men there. Given what an important attribute physical strength is to help create space and opportunities for a forward, he really looks like he needs to bulk up a bit. Yeah, his frame is tiny. That's always going to hold him back at this level as he doesn't really have anything else about his game bar pace. In the Champ you can catch teams on the break with your pace, but at this level that doesn't happen as often so you need to have a bit of physicality to help build the game as well, otherwise it's very easy to become isolated with the attack/midfield so far apart, as we often saw when he played. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkSFC Posted 23 July, 2022 Share Posted 23 July, 2022 5 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said: what time is the game today, and it is stream-able? 3pm. £5 on Watford site 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Convict Colony Posted 23 July, 2022 Share Posted 23 July, 2022 4 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said: what time is the game today, and it is stream-able? 3pm i believe uk time and i am sure there will be a stream somewhere 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davefizzy14 Posted 23 July, 2022 Share Posted 23 July, 2022 1 minute ago, Convict Colony said: 3pm i believe uk time and i am sure there will be a stream somewhere Can someone post a link to a stream for later 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midfield_General Posted 23 July, 2022 Share Posted 23 July, 2022 15 minutes ago, S-Clarke said: Yeah, his frame is tiny. That's always going to hold him back at this level as he doesn't really have anything else about his game bar pace. In the Champ you can catch teams on the break with your pace, but at this level that doesn't happen as often so you need to have a bit of physicality to help build the game as well, otherwise it's very easy to become isolated with the attack/midfield so far apart, as we often saw when he played. Totally. That's why it seems odd that no-one appears to have worked on that with him. Height and frame are obviously what you're born with, but given that being short doesn't have to mean being skinny too - especially if you're a professional elite sportsman surrounded by facilities and conditioning coaches all day - you'd think that they would have helped him improve his bulk and upper body strength a bit by now. He still looks the same size and shape as he was when he first arrived. Maybe it's a deliberate thing, but if so I'd be interested to understand the thinking behind it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted 23 July, 2022 Share Posted 23 July, 2022 6 minutes ago, Midfield_General said: you'd think that they would have helped him improve his bulk and upper body strength a bit by now. Yep, you only have to look at Kante to see the difference, not many bully him off the ball and he's even shorter than AA. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Convict Colony Posted 23 July, 2022 Share Posted 23 July, 2022 25 minutes ago, davefizzy14 said: Can someone post a link to a stream for later yeah will check my regular places later 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 23 July, 2022 Share Posted 23 July, 2022 10 minutes ago, Midfield_General said: Totally. That's why it seems odd that no-one appears to have worked on that with him. Height and frame are obviously what you're born with, but given that being short doesn't have to mean being skinny too - especially if you're a professional elite sportsman surrounded by facilities and conditioning coaches all day - you'd think that they would have helped him improve his bulk and upper body strength a bit by now. He still looks the same size and shape as he was when he first arrived. Maybe it's a deliberate thing, but if so I'd be interested to understand the thinking behind it. Possibly deliberate if they want to keep him slight/nippy/able to turn quick etc. But I don't think that alone is enough to make you a success at this level if you're not particularly 'skilful'. He doesn't need to become hulk, but just a little bit of upper strength! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midfield_General Posted 23 July, 2022 Share Posted 23 July, 2022 KWP is surely a good model for this too. Only an inch taller than Armstrong, but looks like he works on his physique and regularly out-muscles, holds off or turns players much bigger than he is. Lamptey at Brighton as well. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 23 July, 2022 Share Posted 23 July, 2022 1 hour ago, Convict Colony said: yeah will check my regular places later I can't believe some people on here are so bloody mean that they would rather search all day for a pirated stream when all they need to do is sign up and pay a fiver on the Watford website. If that option did not exist then OK but it does and those fivers will help Watford get their house in order and hopefully back to the PL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 23 July, 2022 Share Posted 23 July, 2022 Ward-Prowse is back... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 23 July, 2022 Share Posted 23 July, 2022 Link to the game. Coverage starts at 2:45 and costs £5... https://www.watfordfc.com/hornets-hive-live/watch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 23 July, 2022 Share Posted 23 July, 2022 Good starting eleven. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suhari Posted 23 July, 2022 Share Posted 23 July, 2022 Looks a decent side; 3 at the back again. Only 6 subs named? No Stephens, still no Redmond. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 23 July, 2022 Share Posted 23 July, 2022 (edited) 3421 formation again Possibly close to the starting team vs Spurs... Edited 23 July, 2022 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OttawaSaint Posted 23 July, 2022 Share Posted 23 July, 2022 1 minute ago, Matthew Le God said: Possibly close to the starting team vs Spurs... Why do you say that? What is your evidence for this assumption? 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolan Posted 23 July, 2022 Share Posted 23 July, 2022 (edited) Presuming: Bazunu Bednarek Salisu Bella-Kotchap KWP Djenepo JWP Lavia Aribo S Armstrong A Armstrong Edited 23 July, 2022 by Nolan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 23 July, 2022 Share Posted 23 July, 2022 4 minutes ago, Suhari said: No Stephens, still no Redmond. 2 positives then 🤭 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 23 July, 2022 Share Posted 23 July, 2022 1 minute ago, OttawaSaint said: Why do you say that? What is your evidence for this assumption? Because there is a mountain of evidence from numerous clubs that you start to play close to your starting XI two weeks before your first league game. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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