danjosaint Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 12 hours ago, St. Neil said: Get David de Gea in on a free for a few games, with a massive promotion bonus and then never play him like we did with Cáceres. But he is shit with his feet, very bizarre how he's not joined anyone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Boy Saint Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 16 hours ago, Wade Garrett said: How the fuck he got a contract from Man City is beyond me. How they got a transfer fee for him staggers me. Proves that lighting does strike twice out of the same Sky Blue cloud - shame we didn't get the Cole Palmer of keepers despite 2 raids on City. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pimpin4rizeal Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 It’s pretty funny how so many people get upset with those happy by this news it’s not like we are wishing pain on bazunu .: it’s just it means that he now can’t be selected and he was a regular liability.. im pretty damn confident our goals against are gonna be far better now .. feel free to requote this post if I’m wrong 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmes_and_Watson Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 2 hours ago, pimpin4rizeal said: It’s pretty funny how so many people get upset with those happy by this news it’s not like we are wishing pain on bazunu .: it’s just it means that he now can’t be selected and he was a regular liability.. im pretty damn confident our goals against are gonna be far better now .. feel free to requote this post if I’m wrong I'm not saying I did. But I might have had a similar thought when Macca finally got back into the side last season. Sadly, or thankfully, lots of therapy sessions have managed to blur whether it was the side in front of him, trying to absorb pressure to release Charlie on the break, or if he was just... tactfully... not at his best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hodgey Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 6 hours ago, John Boy Saint said: Proves that lighting does strike twice out of the same Sky Blue cloud - shame we didn't get the Cole Palmer of keepers despite 2 raids on City. And if you listen to Burnley fans - it’s happened 3 times as Trafford has been dropped after being found out (unsurprisingly) in the Prem. I cannot fathom how scouts are getting away with this nonsense - everyone knows keepers don’t mature until at least mid 20s, quite how prem clubs with their wealth of cash and resources are doing this is ridiculous (of course we’ve actually done it twice) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Hodgey said: And if you listen to Burnley fans - it’s happened 3 times as Trafford has been dropped after being found out (unsurprisingly) in the Prem. I cannot fathom how scouts are getting away with this nonsense - everyone knows keepers don’t mature until at least mid 20s, quite how prem clubs with their wealth of cash and resources are doing this is ridiculous (of course we’ve actually done it twice) Yeah Trafford is very much the Bazunu of this season, how Man City got around 40m combined for Gunn, Trafford and Bazunu is insane. We've been bitten twice by them. They'll all have decent careers without doubt, but they were blooded in the top league too soon. I'm all for signing a young keeper as backup to an experienced lad but it's hard to justify spending £15m on a backup keeper, so he kind of has to play by default. Edited April 18 by S-Clarke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted April 19 Share Posted April 19 Joe Lumley must be seriously pissed off a keeper that initially wasn't even on the team sheet (Mcarthy) suddenly chosen above you.... Martin obviously has no trust in him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusic Posted April 19 Share Posted April 19 (edited) Confirmed out for 9-10 months. Also causes a problem for the summer as will need to find a starting keeper when probably not budgeted for, who might not be needed by the end of the season when Bazunu gets back. Edited April 19 by Dusic 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted April 19 Share Posted April 19 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Dusic said: Confirmed out for 9-10 months. Also causes a problem for the summer as will need to find a starting keeper when probably not budgeted for, who might not be needed by the end of the season when Bazunu gets back. Wow, that's horrendous for him. Same injury as Ross Stewart. Don't forget that we have Lis coming back, so that issue may already be covered. Edited April 19 by S-Clarke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dman Posted April 19 Share Posted April 19 It'll be a tough one for him to come back from, in my opinon. Hopefully, by the time hes back, we'd have found a replacement who's consistently performing. Horrible injury for him personally but if it forces our hand to replace him, it could be a blessing for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rallyboy Posted April 19 Share Posted April 19 Really unfortunate, wish him a good recovery, he's young and has time to come back from it. I look at what's to come and for me it's Lumley for the rest of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusic Posted April 19 Share Posted April 19 (edited) 34 minutes ago, S-Clarke said: Wow, that's horrendous for him. Same injury as Ross Stewart. Don't forget that we have Lis coming back, so that issue may already be covered. Possibly in the Championship if they feel Lis is able to be a #1 but if Goztepe get promoted then I expect he will stay there as was clearly signed for them originally. If we do go up then no chance it will be Lis - will need a signing or loan of an established keeper. Extremely unlikely Lumley would be a starter in any division. Edited April 19 by Dusic 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwbu Posted April 19 Share Posted April 19 Do we think there may be financial reasons for Lumley being on the bench all season ahead of McCarthy? But when push really comes to shove, McCarthy seen as the safer pair of hands. Can’t think of any other reason for putting him in ahead of Lumley. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmes_and_Watson Posted April 19 Share Posted April 19 That's such bad news. Such a key part of our possession based game. Yet, even if we get promoted through the crunch part of this season, we'll miss seeing Martin's system at it's most fluid should we go up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted April 19 Share Posted April 19 14 minutes ago, saintwbu said: Do we think there may be financial reasons for Lumley being on the bench all season ahead of McCarthy? But when push really comes to shove, McCarthy seen as the safer pair of hands. Can’t think of any other reason for putting him in ahead of Lumley. Experience in a difficult situation. That is all. I think Martin made a good decision. Lumley will be OK when he has prepared to play from the start. Will be interesting to see what Martin does tomorrow, McCarthy got a clean sheet (admittedly with very little to actually do) so might feel aggrieved to be dropped, but if he hadn't done that I feel pretty sure that Lumley would be selected to start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted April 19 Share Posted April 19 15 hours ago, S-Clarke said: Yeah Trafford is very much the Bazunu of this season, how Man City got around 40m combined for Gunn, Trafford and Bazunu is insane. We've been bitten twice by them. They'll all have decent careers without doubt, but they were blooded in the top league too soon. I'm all for signing a young keeper as backup to an experienced lad but it's hard to justify spending £15m on a backup keeper, so he kind of has to play by default. I don’t think Bazunu will have a good career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midfield_General Posted April 19 Share Posted April 19 (edited) Awful news for the lad. Sounds from Martin's comments like he was in a pretty dark place on discovering the extent of the injury. I'm sure the club will support him well in every respect. Hopefully the fans can live up to the word 'supporters' and send him good wishes too at what must be a horrible time for him. Wishing him all the best for a full and speedy recovery. Edited April 19 by Midfield_General 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted April 19 Share Posted April 19 4 hours ago, Mr X said: Joe Lumley must be seriously pissed off a keeper that initially wasn't even on the team sheet (Mcarthy) suddenly chosen above you.... Martin obviously has no trust in him I wonder if Lumley was surprised or simply upset, because with team out on the pitch training I'm pretty sure he wasn't ready to start at 10 minutes notice. With his contract running out Macca isn't even second choice now., but at such short notice I think his experience won the day in the moment of panic. If this " buddy / buddy relationship " between keepers is all it's cracked up to be, then Joe should put the interest of the team first ahead of his personal feelings, and not getting upset and throwing his toys out of the pram, especially at such a critical time of the season. This whole episode should blow over and Joe should be choice keeper for the remaining games, and Macca can finish his Saints career with a clean sheet. If this doesn't satisfy everyone, then Joe can leave along with Macca and we will be looking for THREE keepers during the summer, and ideally the no.1 choice for next season must be an international for some country, especially if we do get promotion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted April 19 Share Posted April 19 2 hours ago, Dusic said: Possibly in the Championship if they feel Lis is able to be a #1 but if Goztepe get promoted then I expect he will stay there as was clearly signed for them originally. If we do go up then no chance it will be Lis - will need a signing or loan of an established keeper. Extremely unlikely Lumley would be a starter in any division. I think Lis was signed by Saints in the beginning... and then loaned out to Goztepe . Not difficult as both clubs have the same ownership. If he has improved enough to be our next season's no.1 , then we'll need a couple more names with some sort of quality about them, and he will need to be first choice keeper regardless of which country he ends up playing in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChristopheVAFC Posted April 19 Share Posted April 19 I wish Gavin a speedy recovery, and there's no doubt that the substitute goalkeepers in your team will be working hard to get the best out of him at the end of the season! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint86 Posted April 19 Share Posted April 19 20 hours ago, pimpin4rizeal said: It’s pretty funny how so many people get upset with those happy by this news it’s not like we are wishing pain on bazunu .: it’s just it means that he now can’t be selected and he was a regular liability.. im pretty damn confident our goals against are gonna be far better now .. feel free to requote this post if I’m wrong I mean, we had posters who were blaming him for the watford goals and who are utterly oblivious to how good his distribution is and how important it is to our play. Anyone who thinks its a good thing going into 3 must win games (and likely play offs) without our first choice (and frankly only keeper that suits our style of play) is absolutely deluded in my opinion - this weakens the team unquestionably. We are going to go into must win games at Leicester and Leeds, as well as play off knock out matches with either Macca or Lumley. The former is a liability with the ball at his feet and anything at his near post, the latter is just a poor keeper although at least he can do the sweeper role to a degree. The only silver lining i can see is that it might actually introduce some concentration in our defence who seem to constantly switch off for fatal 5-10min periods in games... If it puts an end to the casual play consistently evidenced by our defenders (which is frankly the overwhelming reason we concede goals) maybe we'll get away with it... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted April 19 Share Posted April 19 Tough injury to take, especially for a keeper. Fingers crossed we don’t rush him back too soon, you just can’t rush these things. Proper recovery time is needed before he thinks of pulling on a saints shirt again. About 4 or 5 years should do it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osvaldorama Posted April 19 Share Posted April 19 1 hour ago, Wade Garrett said: I don’t think Bazunu will have a good career. He’s already had an amazing one. Most keepers with his ability would be playing down the local park on a Saturday / Sunday, not premier league / championship 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintant Posted April 19 Share Posted April 19 It's going to be a real tough, long haul for the lad and I wish him well in this difficult time. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpsaint Posted April 19 Share Posted April 19 Sucks for Baz but I’m sure he’ll recover. The plus side for us is that we’ll need to bring in, hopefully, a decent replacement. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Curse of St Mary's Posted April 19 Share Posted April 19 11 minutes ago, Saint86 said: I mean, we had posters who were blaming him for the watford goals and who are utterly oblivious to how good his distribution is and how important it is to our play. Anyone who thinks its a good thing going into 3 must win games (and likely play offs) without our first choice (and frankly only keeper that suits our style of play) is absolutely deluded in my opinion - this weakens the team unquestionably. We are going to go into must win games at Leicester and Leeds, as well as play off knock out matches with either Macca or Lumley. The former is a liability with the ball at his feet and anything at his near post, the latter is just a poor keeper although at least he can do the sweeper role to a degree. The only silver lining i can see is that it might actually introduce some concentration in our defence who seem to constantly switch off for fatal 5-10min periods in games... If it puts an end to the casual play consistently evidenced by our defenders (which is frankly the overwhelming reason we concede goals) maybe we'll get away with it... Obviously we will miss Bazuna distribution but I see it as a positive in the respect we are far less likely to keep fannying around with it across the back with McCarthy in goal as he's just not good with the ball at his feet. This will hopefully encourage us to get the ball up the field quicker which was evident on Tuesday albeit against a team that was not interested really. The true indicator will be against Leicester and Leeds who will press us and we won't have as much of the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted April 19 Share Posted April 19 2 hours ago, Wade Garrett said: I don’t think Bazunu will have a good career. I did, but after this? Not so sure. We're going to need to sign a new number one in the summer now - not a stop gap, not a "can do a job", we need to get the best keeper available with the funds we have. And with Bazunu coming back from a serious injury and a new keeper potentially cementing his place in the team, who knows if he'll progress on the expected trajectory at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint86 Posted April 19 Share Posted April 19 (edited) 7 minutes ago, The Curse of St Mary's said: Obviously we will miss Bazuna distribution but I see it as a positive in the respect we are far less likely to keep fannying around with it across the back with McCarthy in goal as he's just not good with the ball at his feet. This will hopefully encourage us to get the ball up the field quicker which was evident on Tuesday albeit against a team that was not interested really. The true indicator will be against Leicester and Leeds who will press us and we won't have as much of the ball. Lately, and Watford was a great example, we've used Baz, che, and other runners to go long repeatedly after drawing the oppo on to us, and to really good effect. That is off the cards with Lumley and Macca's kicking/throwing. People might find our football boring or ineffective, but it works - and being forced to change it now is a risk with respect to how it will impact the side. If we wind up in a situation where Leeds or Leicester don't need the win, or where teams are pushing up on us with a high line etc. the other two keepers just don't have the distribution to get us out effectively - and without that ability to mix it up we may well struggle. Not to mention our defence are going to expect to be able to pass it back and around very nearly at the back.. I don't know how the rest of you feel about Macca and Lumley, but their touch and positional play is no where near as good as Baz's, and Macca is as likely to find the touchline as our own players if kicking to the halfway line 😅. Edited April 19 by Saint86 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunglasses Ron Posted April 19 Share Posted April 19 4 hours ago, Dusic said: Confirmed out for 9-10 months. Also causes a problem for the summer as will need to find a starting keeper when probably not budgeted for, who might not be needed by the end of the season when Bazunu gets back. 4 hours ago, S-Clarke said: Wow, that's horrendous for him. Same injury as Ross Stewart. The solution seems obvious to me, play Ross Stewart in goal! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmes_and_Watson Posted April 19 Share Posted April 19 2 hours ago, Sunglasses Ron said: The solution seems obvious to me, play Ross Stewart in goal! And displace Stephens? 🙂 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted April 19 Share Posted April 19 8 hours ago, S-Clarke said: Wow, that's horrendous for him. Same injury as Ross Stewart. Martin did say he’d sign Baz if he wasn’t already here, so I guess this proves it… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miltonaggro Posted April 19 Share Posted April 19 4 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said: Martin did say he’d sign Baz if he wasn’t already here, so I guess this proves it… When he takes over at Brighton in the summer he will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted April 19 Share Posted April 19 5 hours ago, Saint_clark said: I did, but after this? Not so sure. We're going to need to sign a new number one in the summer now - not a stop gap, not a "can do a job", we need to get the best keeper available with the funds we have. And with Bazunu coming back from a serious injury and a new keeper potentially cementing his place in the team, who knows if he'll progress on the expected trajectory at all. I think our expected trajectories are quite different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted April 19 Share Posted April 19 5 hours ago, Saint86 said: Lately, and Watford was a great example, we've used Baz, che, and other runners to go long repeatedly after drawing the oppo on to us, and to really good effect. That is off the cards with Lumley and Macca's kicking/throwing. People might find our football boring or ineffective, but it works - and being forced to change it now is a risk with respect to how it will impact the side. If we wind up in a situation where Leeds or Leicester don't need the win, or where teams are pushing up on us with a high line etc. the other two keepers just don't have the distribution to get us out effectively - and without that ability to mix it up we may well struggle. Not to mention our defence are going to expect to be able to pass it back and around very nearly at the back.. I don't know how the rest of you feel about Macca and Lumley, but their touch and positional play is no where near as good as Baz's, and Macca is as likely to find the touchline as our own players if kicking to the halfway line 😅. Lumley is good with his feet and at least Leeds and Leicester won’t just have to shoot on target against us to score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davefizzy14 Posted April 19 Share Posted April 19 Really feel for Gavin, such a bad injury to pick up. He will come back stronger from this, I wish him a full and speedy recovery. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpsaint Posted April 19 Share Posted April 19 58 minutes ago, Wade Garrett said: Lumley is good with his feet and at least Leeds and Leicester won’t just have to shoot on target against us to score. Really? Did you not see the compilation of Lumley “highlights” someone posted the other day? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexLaw76 Posted April 19 Share Posted April 19 Oh well… hopefully saints can get someone better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulwantsapint81 Posted April 19 Share Posted April 19 Hope the lad has a good recovery & isn’t rushed back he has still got another 15+ years of playing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Mulgrew Posted April 19 Share Posted April 19 9 hours ago, david in sweden said: and ideally the no.1 choice for next season must be an international for some country, especially if we do get promotion. Probably not for Ireland, though, unless it is that Kelleher Ireland keeper from Liverhampton; he would do for our first-choice keeper (not that we would ever get him). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baird of the land Posted April 19 Share Posted April 19 5 minutes ago, Tommy Mulgrew said: Probably not for Ireland, though, unless it is that Kelleher Ireland keeper from Liverhampton; he would do for our first-choice keeper (not that we would ever get him). We can get Bailey Peacock-Farrell. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pimpin4rizeal Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 17 hours ago, Saint86 said: I mean, we had posters who were blaming him for the watford goals and who are utterly oblivious to how good his distribution is and how important it is to our play. Anyone who thinks its a good thing going into 3 must win games (and likely play offs) without our first choice (and frankly only keeper that suits our style of play) is absolutely deluded in my opinion - this weakens the team unquestionably. We are going to go into must win games at Leicester and Leeds, as well as play off knock out matches with either Macca or Lumley. The former is a liability with the ball at his feet and anything at his near post, the latter is just a poor keeper although at least he can do the sweeper role to a degree. The only silver lining i can see is that it might actually introduce some concentration in our defence who seem to constantly switch off for fatal 5-10min periods in games... If it puts an end to the casual play consistently evidenced by our defenders (which is frankly the overwhelming reason we concede goals) maybe we'll get away with it... Iol I couldn’t care less if his distribution is as good as Glenn hoddle. What good does it do us ? What’s more important the fact that nearly any shot on our goal goes in past bazunu or his silly distribution ? hes been absolutely shocking for 2 years it’s like people try to find anything to argue his cause his job is to keep the bell out of the net and he totally sucks at it 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 11 hours ago, Paulwantsapint81 said: Hope the lad has a good recovery & isn’t rushed back he has still got another 15+ years of playing Holy shit! Did we really give him a contract that long? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexLaw76 Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 Get the Rotherham keeper much better than Baz, is are most of the keepers in this league Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintsBarry74 Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 13 hours ago, Wade Garrett said: Lumley is good with his feet and at least Leeds and Leicester won’t just have to shoot on target against us to score. Lumley was the worst shot stopper in the Championship last season, not Baz-levels of poor stats but in the same category. I feel like our recruitment is just taking the piss. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galway saint Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 We can either play Lumley or AM for the next few games. Baz is out of the picture for 10 months and we are going to have to buy a new keeper next season whatever league we are in so it’s unfortunate for Baz but I think it accelerates the inevitable need to buy a new keeper because Baz in my view isn’t a top level keeper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gio1saints Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 49 minutes ago, SaintsBarry74 said: Lumley was the worst shot stopper in the Championship last season, not Baz-levels of poor stats but in the same category. I feel like our recruitment is just taking the piss. Have you watched his games this season? He has played well every time selected. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 1 hour ago, AlexLaw76 said: Get the Rotherham keeper much better than Baz, is are most of the keepers in this league He's let in 85 goals so far this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 33 minutes ago, gio1saints said: Have you watched his games this season? He has played well every time selected. He's been ok but I can remember the odd fumble or two. Whatever, it's between him and McCarthy which is a ridiculous situation to find ourselves in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 1 hour ago, AlexLaw76 said: Get the Rotherham keeper much better than Baz, is are most of the keepers in this league Better yet, bring back Angus Gunn, who has a better save percentage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 (edited) 23 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said: He's let in 85 goals so far this season. One assumes the quality of Rotherham's defence was a factor in a significant number of those goals. The more important stat is how many goal preventing saves he made. Do we know how he's compares with Bazunu on that measure? (As a percentage of shots on goal, as no doubt he'll have had many more shots to deal with than Bazunu overall) Edited April 20 by trousers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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