Daft Kerplunk Posted October 1 Posted October 1 5 hours ago, AlexLaw76 said: Armstrong, Manning, Stephens, McCarthy, Fraser, Stewart, Downes, Wood, Roeslov are all seasoned pros, senior players Seasoned pros yes, but I don't see, or have never seen evidence of these players being 'leaders.' Apart from Roselev and Wood who we haven't seen enough yet, these are players who go or have gone missing when things get tough. or in the case of Stephens, get sent off. Just because someone has played for a long time doesn't automatically make them leaders in the way they need to be. None of the above players are or ever have been players that drive the team on. 1
AlexLaw76 Posted October 1 Posted October 1 1 hour ago, Daft Kerplunk said: Seasoned pros yes, but I don't see, or have never seen evidence of these players being 'leaders.' Apart from Roselev and Wood who we haven't seen enough yet, these are players who go or have gone missing when things get tough. or in the case of Stephens, get sent off. Just because someone has played for a long time doesn't automatically make them leaders in the way they need to be. None of the above players are or ever have been players that drive the team on. What determines driving the team on?
Sheaf Saint Posted October 1 Posted October 1 21 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said: What determines driving the team on? The last really good captain and leader we had was Fonte. You could see how he was always marshalling others, shouting instructions, encouraging the younger players and helping get the defence and midfield organised. He was a natural leader and he commanded respect from the rest of the squad. We've never had anyone even close to that level since he left. For years now the on-pitch communication between the players has been piss poor. 3
Whitey Grandad Posted October 1 Posted October 1 4 hours ago, LuckyNumber7 said: Indeed. W16 D6 L0 Wasn't enough for some people. What we'd give for that kind of run now. Worth pointing out that Bazunu was in goal for those. 2
Osvaldorama Posted October 1 Posted October 1 2 hours ago, Whitey Grandad said: Worth pointing out that Bazunu was in goal for those. 1 9 2
Charlie Wayman Posted October 2 Posted October 2 Still is not a leader or inspirational. He may be a very good coach but they are not one and the same thing. 1
CSA96 Posted October 2 Posted October 2 13 minutes ago, Charlie Wayman said: Still is not a leader or inspirational. He may be a very good coach but they are not one and the same thing. Spent much time with him? 5 3
Saint_clark Posted October 2 Posted October 2 On 01/10/2025 at 13:56, LuckyNumber7 said: Indeed. W16 D6 L0 Wasn't enough for some people. What we'd give for that kind of run now. I forget, did he get sacked at the end of that run? Or at a later date following a different run that was heading for record lowest points total? 4
sockeye Posted October 2 Posted October 2 On 01/10/2025 at 13:56, LuckyNumber7 said: Indeed. W16 D6 L0 Wasn't enough for some people. What we'd give for that kind of run now. The unbeaten run was a decent achievement but what prevented us from getting automatics was losing to promotion rivals. He should’ve been sacked in the summer anyway, but it would have taken guts that SR didn’t have 4
Charlie Wayman Posted October 2 Posted October 2 4 hours ago, CSA96 said: Spent much time with him? IMHO judged by his on screen appearances
Mr X Posted October 2 Posted October 2 31 minutes ago, Charlie Wayman said: IMHO judged by his on screen appearances Yes tbf he doesn't come across as a natural leader or someone that can inspire players in interviews at least ...... But if he's a decent coach we can get the results... But is he a decent coach?
OnceaSaintalwaysaSaint Posted October 2 Posted October 2 10 minutes ago, Mr X said: Yes tbf he doesn't come across as a natural leader or someone that can inspire players in interviews at least ...... But if he's a decent coach we can get the results... But is he a decent coach? Natural leaders don't have to be all shouty and the 'follow me' types. When managers earn respect through their coaching and get results because of their tactics, players get inspired to play better because they have the belief in their manager. 3
Mr X Posted October 2 Posted October 2 31 minutes ago, OnceaSaintalwaysaSaint said: Natural leaders don't have to be all shouty and the 'follow me' types. When managers earn respect through their coaching and get results because of their tactics, players get inspired to play better because they have the belief in their manager. This to a certain extent is true and it's still early days but not overly convinced by WS not sure the players have belief in him yet but better results will bring that belief 2
Dark Munster Posted October 4 Posted October 4 On 02/10/2025 at 07:30, sockeye said: The unbeaten run was a decent achievement but what prevented us from getting automatics was losing to promotion rivals. He should’ve been sacked in the summer anyway, but it would have taken guts that SR didn’t have Instead they gave him a contract extension. Geniuses.
Baird of the land Posted October 4 Posted October 4 Can someone please explain to Still that the purpose of subs is not to take off your best players. 5
Wade Garrett Posted October 4 Posted October 4 He’s fucking clueless. Another fucking charlatan that snowed the fucking circus running our club. We won’t do fuck all with Still in charge. 6
JohnnyShearer2.0 Posted October 4 Posted October 4 Just now, Wade Garrett said: He’s fucking clueless. Another fucking charlatan that snowed the fucking circus running our club. We won’t do fuck all with Still in charge. Agreed. No progress since game one or even an inkling of what the team is about. 5
AlexLaw76 Posted October 4 Posted October 4 Waaay out of his depth. but that has been obvious for a while now 3
Wade Garrett Posted October 4 Posted October 4 Just now, AlexLaw76 said: Waaay out of his depth. but that has been obvious for a while now Should be obvious to Spors as well. 1
CB Fry Posted October 4 Posted October 4 Basically we tread water with Still in charge until December/January/February when his replacement can try and charge us into sixth place so the season not completely wasted. Club are not going to sack him for months. 5
The Wyvern Posted October 4 Posted October 4 I want him to come good and not given up 100% but he gives us very little to get our hopes up. What are the positives we’ve seen from Still’s management so far? I can’t think of anything. 6
Wade Garrett Posted October 4 Posted October 4 2 minutes ago, CB Fry said: Basically we tread water with Still in charge until December/January/February when his replacement can try and charge us into sixth place so the season not completely wasted. Club are not going to sack him for months. Sadly true. A more clueless bunch you could not meet. Dragan’s cash is going down the shitter. 4
Disco Stu Posted October 4 Posted October 4 We're yet to see a good performance from a Will Still Saints side. Early signs are concerning. 1
Saint NL Posted October 4 Posted October 4 You'd have serious question marks over any manager that brings Downs on ahead of Archer. 11
Dark Munster Posted October 4 Posted October 4 5 minutes ago, CB Fry said: Basically we tread water with Still in charge until December/January/February when his replacement can try and charge us into sixth place so the season not completely wasted. Club are not going to sack him for months. Unfortunately it may take more than months with the clowns in charge. I wouldn't be surprised if they stick with him for the whole season, unless we're in the bottom three at Christmas, and even then, the clueless muppets may not sack him, hoping it'll get better. Just like with all their previous disastrous managers. 1
John B Posted October 4 Posted October 4 Can anybody really believe that Will Still will ever lead a competive Saints team in the PL
trousers Posted October 4 Posted October 4 (edited) Still has just about kept up with Russell Martin's run-rate up to now, but he'll now need to go up a gear or two if that trend is to continue over the coming months. Obviously too early to conclude that Still can't continue to match Martin at this level, but I have my doubts. Edited October 4 by trousers 2
Badger Posted October 4 Posted October 4 Just now, John B said: Can anybody really believe that Will Still will ever lead a competive Saints team in the PL Or get us there ? 1
Harry_SFC Posted October 4 Posted October 4 5 minutes ago, Saint NL said: You'd have serious question marks over any manager that brings Downs on ahead of Archer. Yep. Absolutely ridiculous. I can only think he's being told he has to include Downs because the guy is absolutely diabolical. If not then crazy decision making. 2
Willo of Whiteley Posted October 4 Posted October 4 Any manager that plays a back five against a relegation threatened team should be a scalable offence. I’m really struggling to like him. A bit like Russell Martin when he was here, I want it to work but it simply isn’t. There hasn’t been a single good ninety minute performance.
Osvaldorama Posted October 4 Posted October 4 He takes off our best players and brings on our worst. Plays a back 5 against relegation fodder. Awful stuff. I want to like him and give him time. But this is embarrassingly shit so far 4
Colinjb Posted October 4 Posted October 4 Said I would give my opinion fully after 10 games. Will count the league cup games in that. I'm worried. He has been let down in not having a proper CF to call on, but we need to see better then this. 4
AlexLaw76 Posted October 4 Posted October 4 Keeping him in place is pointless and nothing other than “doing the right thing” it has been obvious nearly all season he is way short of being up to it. This is a job 5 years too early for him. 3
badgerx16 Posted October 4 Posted October 4 6 minutes ago, Willo of Whiteley said: Any manager that plays a back five against a relegation threatened team......... Not sure Derby played 5 at the back. 11
LGTL Posted October 4 Posted October 4 Job is far far far too big for him. Want to give him a chance and want him to do well, but it’s ultimately completely pointless. That today was a fucking disgrace. 3
JohnnyShearer2.0 Posted October 4 Posted October 4 29 minutes ago, CB Fry said: Basically we tread water with Still in charge until December/January/February when his replacement can try and charge us into sixth place so the season not completely wasted. Club are not going to sack him for months. Good point. Definitely see the club stick it out till then.
AlexLaw76 Posted October 4 Posted October 4 I’m sure Alfie House will continue with his sneering comments at those questioning the manager. 6
Willo of Whiteley Posted October 4 Posted October 4 I think the questions need to be aimed at the higher ups than Will Still. 3
bpsaint Posted October 4 Posted October 4 Not good enough, another blatant SR appointment. As previously mentioned we’ll flounder around the lower mid table before the club take any action in December/January, by which time it’ll be too late to make any difference. 3
ally_uk Posted October 4 Posted October 4 Not looking good is it lads we certainly won't be getting promoted.... 1
bugenhagen Posted October 4 Posted October 4 I can sort of understand that he went back to the back 5 after the two horror shows against Pompey and Hull. Felt the pressure to get results, and build a little consistency before going back to a back 4. But the changes he does during games just make us worse... taking off one of our more positive players, and then moving the other who was trying first to the left where he is a little less effective, and then to right back just to kill all forward drive.
Lee On Solent Saint Posted October 4 Posted October 4 22 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said: Keeping him in place is pointless and nothing other than “doing the right thing” it has been obvious nearly all season he is way short of being up to it. This is a job 5 years too early for him. But who do they replace him? You know full well it will be another no hoper from some oddball random team, the cycle of shit wil just continue.
qwertyell Posted October 4 Posted October 4 All feels a bit Pellegrino again, where we just limp on week after week, hoping it's all going to click at some stage, in spite of it never really looking likely. It's not totally incompetent, but at the same time, what are the positive signs to cling onto? He doesn't know his best players, best formation, best tactical approach. Hope to proven wrong, but it doesn't feel like we're a good fit for a young manager just finding his feet in the game. We've got too many deeply ingrained problems to deal with for that. 2
Badger Posted October 4 Posted October 4 30 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said: I’m sure Alfie House will continue with his sneering comments at those questioning the manager. Wonder if Big Adam will remain silent on the issue.
CB Fry Posted October 4 Posted October 4 3 minutes ago, qwertyell said: All feels a bit Pellegrino again, where we just limp on week after week, hoping it's all going to click at some stage, in spite of it never really looking likely Any games we win will because we do have good players and the league is mainly terrible. Win one game in five because we just will and we just limp on. 2
BotleySaint Posted October 4 Posted October 4 17 minutes ago, ally_uk said: Not looking good is it lads we certainly won't be getting promoted.... You say that, but if we win the next two we're suddenly in amongst it. It can change very quickly. Even in the last promotion season we threw several games away with Russel Martins negative tactics resulting in inevitable equalisers..or even some cases late defeat. So, I've not Still not given up on him.
Maggie May Posted October 4 Posted October 4 We are drawing too many games. Why can’t we shake off how shite we become after taking the lead? It’s been an inherent issue for years. We looked like smashing Derby before going ahead, then just collapsed. It doesn’t make sense why we’re not looking to dominate from start to finish like Coventry are. We certainly have the players to do it.
Badger Posted October 4 Posted October 4 (edited) 1 hour ago, CB Fry said: Basically we tread water with Still in charge until December/January/February when his replacement can try and charge us into sixth place so the season not completely wasted. Club are not going to sack him for months. Board "Give him till the next international break " "well that was a creditable draw at home to Sheffield Weds ... see how he gets on to the New Year" late Dec "well of course, it isn't fully his side, lets see how he gets on spending £40m, Johannes any more [duds] we can get cheaply to grow on from Germany ?" end of Window ; "well lets see how his players bed in .." Easter " we're making headway getting away from the bottom three be a shame to change now " End of season " hey Will, we've prepared a new five year contract ready to sign..." And some fans will go along with it. Edited October 4 by Badger 3
Harry_SFC Posted October 4 Posted October 4 2 minutes ago, BotleySaint said: You say that, but if we win the next two we're suddenly in amongst it. It can change very quickly. Even in the last promotion season we threw several games away with Russel Martins negative tactics resulting in inevitable equalisers..or even some cases late defeat. So, I've not Still not given up on him. It doesn't look like we are winning our next two though, does it? 2
Dman Posted October 4 Posted October 4 FWIW, I’d give him until the next international window, in November. It’s not been that poor we have no choice but to change, but it’s also not been good enough either. Limping on is the right word for IT. November gives Still enough time to turn the tide and enough time for us to properly weigh up options + an international window to work on the training ground for the new man. The problem is, there are no signs it’ll get better. Absolutely nothing to grip hold of to give hope. At least under Martin, you thought if we could get the balance and defence right we have a chance.
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