James Ward-Prowse

[Saint Gifford]

2 minutes ago, pingpong said:

As in aliens coming to punish disabled people? They've not even mentioned that on the BBC feed.

Yes point taken and you are correct. 

Just Southgate v JWP
 

 

[Pilchards]

Just shows we were shit at getting on the end of his crosses.

[spyinthesky]

I hope JWP does well for WHU but cant help wondering how much extra he would have been able to give to us in the Championship if we had been able to keep hold of him

[Miltonaggro]

Anything that winds up West Ham supporters is fine by me. Long May his exile continue (to piss the Bethnal Green diaspora off). 👍

[Saint86]

7 hours ago, spyinthesky said:

I hope JWP does well for WHU but cant help wondering how much extra he would have been able to give to us in the Championship if we had been able to keep hold of him

We'd be top of the league had he stayed imo. But he moved for that England spot and its fair enough. I hope gets it, because if he doesn't, he'll have lost both his saints legacy and his England dreams, and he doesn't deserve that. Watching the MoTD highlights, he should have had a goal (pass never came but great run), plus at least one other assist today. Almost scored from a cheeky free kick... Clearly Forest rated him as much as Southgate did pre match the amount of dead balls they let him take.

[Toussaint]

On 09/11/2023 at 19:18, pimpin4rizeal said:

I’m talking about why do people care if he gets picked for England now .. he deserted us as soon as we dropped.. I fully understand the reasoning but any love towards him is now gone for me 

Not for me, I make a point of watching WHU games now just to watch him and I take pleasure in his success. 

[Charlie Wayman]

30 minutes ago, Toussaint said:

Not for me, I make a point of watching WHU games now just to watch him and I take pleasure in his success. 

I was glad to see the back of him. He wasn't particularly creative in midfield yet for some reason recent managers seem to insist on a style of play that constantly fed the ball to him in every move forward. We ended up being relegated unsurprisingly. He's a million miles away from being good enough for the current England team.

[the saint in winchester]

41 minutes ago, Toussaint said:

Not for me, I make a point of watching WHU games now just to watch him and I take pleasure in his success. 

Likewise. Bizarre that even when Maddison is out and Bellingham a doubt, he doesn't turn the best English playmaker around.

He has proven his versatility with him West Ham performances.

This is clearly incompetence from Southgate, or he has an issue with JWP.

[The Kraken]

I’ve only got great memories of JWP, and I still look out for him and am glad when he does well. I don’t really think he’s quite up to it for England though. As a deep holding player, I don’t think that’s his major strength and when he has played there for England before he hasn’t exactly stood out.  He gets mentioned there because there’s such a dearth of talent and for some reason Henderson/Phillips are still being picked. Further up the pitch there’s so much competition for places, and Cole Palmer has also just been called up to the squad, I don’t see him dislodging anyone there. The argument to be made is instead of Henderson or Phillips but personally I’m not sure England are losing out on a huge amount by not having him there. 

[Saint86]

1 hour ago, Charlie Wayman said:

I was glad to see the back of him. He wasn't particularly creative in midfield yet for some reason recent managers seem to insist on a style of play that constantly fed the ball to him in every move forward. We ended up being relegated unsurprisingly. He's a million miles away from being good enough for the current England team.

We didn't get relegated because of JWP - that feels quite an odd take tbh. As for this season, he's 3rd in the league for assists, 4th in the league for expected assists, and 6th in the league for expected assisted goals. He ensures a team will always carry a threat and it means teams can't afford to challenge around their box or concede corners - which has a huge impact on how they play and territory. And he's going all of that despite playing in a fairly average and quite defensive West Ham side. If anything, their fans have been moaning that he's being asked to play to deep which is stifling his creativity...

To not pick him for england over players like Gallagher, Henderson, and Philips is frankly mental. I can only assume he's tapped up Southgate's daughter or something... 

Edited 13 November, 2023 by Saint86

[captainchris]

Met loads of West Ham fans on the train Sunday. All praising JWP to the hilt…. Nice bunch… 

[sfc4prem]

Still gutted he left. Can't say I'm proud of him, as that's like saying you're proud of your ex-wife who's now shagging someone richer and more successful than you.

[Dark Munster]

6 hours ago, Charlie Wayman said:

I was glad to see the back of him. He wasn't particularly creative in midfield yet for some reason recent managers seem to insist on a style of play that constantly fed the ball to him in every move forward. We ended up being relegated unsurprisingly. He's a million miles away from being good enough for the current England team.

"Good riddance to my ex-girlfriend who just dumped me for someone richer and better looking, she was an ugly cow who I didn't fancy anyway."

[suewhistle]

Interesting article in The Guardian today: https://www.theguardian.com/football/2023/nov/14/james-ward-prowse-set-piece-mastery-football-west-ham

Some pointed comments below the line about how he's only getting the attention now he's playing for WH.

 

[OldNick]

20 hours ago, the saint in winchester said:

 

 Southgate, or he has an issue with JWP.

When JWP roughed up the penalty spot I felt Southgate frowned on that. Frankly if you take away his corners or free kicks what do you have???? There is no way he will be senior enough to take the ball away from any of the others especially Kane

[Toussaint]

1 hour ago, OldNick said:

When JWP roughed up the penalty spot I felt Southgate frowned on that. Frankly if you take away his corners or free kicks what do you have???? There is no way he will be senior enough to take the ball away from any of the others especially Kane

• A tireless box to box midfielder
• 100% attendance record
• Incisive passing (A lot of his assists are not from corners)
• Consummate professional
• A lot of his assists are not from corners
• A ridiculously cheap acquisition in today's market

 

[Dusic]

Don't really see the big deal on this. He isnt a defensive midfield player so he is really competing with the likes of Gallagher as a box to box player and players like Bellingham and Maddiaon for a role further ahead. Henderson is arguable but clearly Southgate values his experience and will obviously just be a bench option now anyway in the proper games.

Besides, clearly his best attribute is set plays and there are others who are fairly decent at them who will be starting games for England anyway whereas if he did make the squad he would just be an used sub.

He is a good player and a great character but he isn't better than the players who are currently picked. Thats why they are and he isn't.

Edited 14 November, 2023 by Dusic

[Jeremy Corbyn]

6 minutes ago, Dusic said:

Don't really see the big deal on this. He isnt a defensive midfield player so he is really competing with the likes of Gallagher as a box to box player and players like Bellingham and Maddiaon for a role further ahead. Henderson is arguable but clearly Southgate values his experience and will obviously just be a bench option now anyway in the proper games.

Besides, clearly his best attribute is set plays and there are others who are fairly decent at them who will be starting games for England anyway whereas if he did make the squad he would just be an used sub.

He is a good player and a great character but he isn't better than the players who are currently picked. Thats why they are and he isn't.

Surely Gallagher is a bit more attacking though.  With Rice holding, you need someone who can cover when Rice surges forward (which he's very good at), so you need a proper box to box midfielder who can slot in as the defensive midfielder when required.  Henderson, Phillips and Ward Prowse fit this mould, Gallagher isn't great defensively.

I don't think JWP is a world beater, but I do think he's a good fit for that role and it does seem odd he's completely frozen out.

[pimpin4rizeal]

It’s probably a lot to do with physicality that holds jwp back .. he doesn’t have the powerful physique of a lot of top top midfielders .. yet also doesn’t have skillset of a Maddison  or grealish  etc who could play much more advanced..

in a way he was very very fortunate that we seemed to persist and persist with him .. he didn’t really start giving us anything unti Ralph was in charge 

Edited 15 November, 2023 by pimpin4rizeal

[Lee On Solent Saint]

It's pretty poor from Southgate. He keeps picking Philips for his squads despite his complete lack of game time, then proceeds to tell Ramsdale that he can't guarntee he'll make squads due to not playing. 

[Challenger]

On 13/11/2023 at 20:53, sfc4prem said:

Still gutted he left. Can't say I'm proud of him, as that's like saying you're proud of your ex-wife who's now shagging someone richer and more successful than you.

She still speaks highly of you.

[OldNick]

On 14/11/2023 at 12:16, Toussaint said:

• A tireless box to box midfielder
• 100% attendance record
• Incisive passing (A lot of his assists are not from corners)
• Consummate professional
• A lot of his assists are not from corners
• A ridiculously cheap acquisition in today's market

 

We rarely have different opinions but in this case we have. Incisive passing! My memory is going but I can't think of many of those. That was my bugbear with him, as he got the ball and then played it to the soft option back or sideways. He was responsible for breaking up our attacks more often than the opposition.

Personally I feel the managers were to blame, where he should have played was further forward aka Everton away where he broke into the box, Nathan did it the once then he was put back in a defensive role.

He is a slow tireless box to box midfielder.

Yes attendance record brilliant

Consummate professional I agree

Cheap yes, especially playing under a manager who knows the advantage of his crossing with his big defenders etc

[Dellyears]

1 hour ago, OldNick said:

We rarely have different opinions but in this case we have. Incisive passing! My memory is going but I can't think of many of those. That was my bugbear with him, as he got the ball and then played it to the soft option back or sideways. He was responsible for breaking up our attacks more often than the opposition.

Personally I feel the managers were to blame, where he should have played was further forward aka Everton away where he broke into the box, Nathan did it the once then he was put back in a defensive role.

He is a slow tireless box to box midfielder.

Yes attendance record brilliant

Consummate professional I agree

Cheap yes, especially playing under a manager who knows the advantage of his crossing with his big defenders etc

At last he seems to have a manager who makes the most of him. I'm pleased for him he had a hard time here with fans and mismanagement.

[Toussaint]

14 hours ago, OldNick said:

We rarely have different opinions but in this case we have. Incisive passing! My memory is going but I can't think of many of those. That was my bugbear with him, as he got the ball and then played it to the soft option back or sideways. He was responsible for breaking up our attacks more often than the opposition.

Personally I feel the managers were to blame, where he should have played was further forward aka Everton away where he broke into the box, Nathan did it the once then he was put back in a defensive role.

He is a slow tireless box to box midfielder.

Yes attendance record brilliant

Consummate professional I agree

Cheap yes, especially playing under a manager who knows the advantage of his crossing with his big defenders etc

I think the difference in our opinions here is you are possibly basing your judgement on last season, playing in a dysfunctional team with 3 appalling managers, (having said that NJ seemed to get the best out of him).

The season before his 12 goal contribution kept us up.  As I said in a post above, I watch whu regularly, just to watch him. Having decent committed players around him, and players making intelligent runs is giving him the opportunity to show of his true ability. Just my opinion of course.

Edited 16 November, 2023 by Toussaint
Grammar

[Andrew Watson]

Was in Tesco Launceston, Cornwall tonight wearing my Saints coat. A worker there came up behind me and said - Thanks for your best player,it turned out that he was a life long West Ham fan,who has watched them home and away for the past 40  years. He waxed lyrical for 2 minutes plus about how highly he and other West Ham fans rate JWP. He was very surprised that I did not think that he was our best player.  [ Lavia and KWP,for starters.]

[Noodles34]

9 hours ago, Andrew Watson said:

Was in Tesco Launceston, Cornwall tonight wearing my Saints coat. A worker there came up behind me and said - Thanks for your best player,it turned out that he was a life long West Ham fan,who has watched them home and away for the past 40  years. He waxed lyrical for 2 minutes plus about how highly he and other West Ham fans rate JWP. He was very surprised that I did not think that he was our best player.  [ Lavia and KWP,for starters.]

Lavia? 🤦🏻‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️

[East Kent Saint]

JWP is one of those Nick Holmes players who get on with the job but because they don’t don’t do anything flash don’t stand out IMO.

[Verbal]

I sorry I laughed.

 

[S-Clarke]

As per most Premier League fans, WHU fans are a bunch of entitled pricks. Same as the Palace lot.

Not entirely sure what they expect from their club. They're not in a relegation battle, and are in and around the Europe spots after winning a European trophy last year. They've lost a few on the bounce, as every team in the PL is at risk of doing. They need to wind their necks in, they're not as 'big' as they like to believe - a pretty middling also-ran PL club, same as everyone else out side of the top 6. Take what success you can get, but if you think the grass is greener as you want 'more' then there are lots of examples to suggest that they're totally misguided.

[spyinthesky]

Most WHU fans reckoned JWP was one of their best players and a steal at £30m at the start of the season.
Cant blame him entirely for their recent poor form.
Perhaps we could buy him back at a cut price £10m next season if we go up.

[david in sweden]

1 minute ago, spyinthesky said:

Most WHU fans reckoned JWP was one of their best players and a steal at £30m at the start of the season.
Cant blame him entirely for their recent poor form.
Perhaps we could buy him back at a cut price £10m next season if we go up.

Those idiots above ...will be first to cheer when Prowsey beats Beckham's record.  He's still getting good rating every game, and maybe 

they should remember that he cost a lot less than some of the other disasters WHam have signed of late, and who have contributed much less.

[Dman]

6 minutes ago, spyinthesky said:

Most WHU fans reckoned JWP was one of their best players and a steal at £30m at the start of the season.
Cant blame him entirely for their recent poor form.
Perhaps we could buy him back at a cut price £10m next season if we go up.

When you take away free kicks and goals from corners, he becomes a slightly more agressive and polished version of Will Smallbone. 

Very, very average player - massivley overhyped by so many on here. 

[Saint Keef]

If they're saying that about JWP, what are they saying about Kalvin Phillips?

[Tom & Gerry]

I watched the Arsenal game and he hardly got a kick. They are definitely not getting the best out of him. He would do much better with our passing game under Russ.

[SaintTex]

He is having a pretty typical JWP season at West Ham, like most seasons he had with Saints, with one exception - no free kicks.

you know, 5 to 7 goals from open play, and handful of assists (mostly due to the fact he is on the pitch every minute of every match)

Edited 19 February, 2024 by SaintTex

[East Kent Saint]

He was said to be better playing in a forward position on here . He started well at WH but they have lost their way , what little I have seen of him on motd these days is him jogging about . This applies to most of their team now. Moyes looks like he’s out of ideas .

[rallyboy]

It's all gone a bit Danny Ings for him.

I understand why players seek these moves but sometimes they don't realise how that greener grass is often riddled with dog shit.

 

[Lee On Solent Saint]

1 hour ago, S-Clarke said:

As per most Premier League fans, WHU fans are a bunch of entitled pricks. Same as the Palace lot.

Not entirely sure what they expect from their club. They're not in a relegation battle, and are in and around the Europe spots after winning a European trophy last year. They've lost a few on the bounce, as every team in the PL is at risk of doing. They need to wind their necks in, they're not as 'big' as they like to believe - a pretty middling also-ran PL club, same as everyone else out side of the top 6. Take what success you can get, but if you think the grass is greener as you want 'more' then there are lots of examples to suggest that they're totally misguided.

West Ham has got to be one of the most toxic atomosphere's around after you've lost a few games. The so called academy of football. 

[Toussaint]

1 hour ago, spyinthesky said:

Most WHU fans reckoned JWP was one of their best players and a steal at £30m at the start of the season.
Cant blame him entirely for their recent poor form.
Perhaps we could buy him back at a cut price £10m next season if we go up.

Seems too much of a coincidence that their form dived as soon as they signed Kelvin Phillips, who has been absolutely abysmal 

[Paulwantsapint81]

Could JWP & FD play together?

if so offer West Ham we take both of them off their hands

[Toussaint]

On 19/02/2024 at 15:43, S-Clarke said:

As per most Premier League fans, WHU fans are a bunch of entitled pricks. Same as the Palace lot.

Not entirely sure what they expect from their club. They're not in a relegation battle, and are in and around the Europe spots after winning a European trophy last year. They've lost a few on the bounce, as every team in the PL is at risk of doing. They need to wind their necks in, they're not as 'big' as they like to believe - a pretty middling also-ran PL club, same as everyone else out side of the top 6. Take what success you can get, but if you think the grass is greener as you want 'more' then there are lots of examples to suggest that they're totally misguided.

Spot on

Edited 8 May, 2024 by Toussaint

[The Cat]

They won a trophy last season. What do they realistically expect? Top 6 finishes every season? They are West Ham FFS, no more entitled to anything than any other clubs who won stuff years ago. 

[Weston Super Saint]

55 minutes ago, The Cat said:

They won a trophy last season. What do they realistically expect? Top 6 finishes every season? They are West Ham FFS, no more entitled to anything than any other clubs who won stuff years ago. 

Apart from a cut price stadium and peppercorn running costs.

[Convict Colony]

2 hours ago, rallyboy said:

It's all gone a bit Danny Ings for him.

I understand why players seek these moves but sometimes they don't realise how that greener grass is often riddled with dog shit.

 

I dont buy this as i followed his progress and up until Jan he was being lauded and see as one of the better players in the team, too much recency bias with pundits.

Rated 2nd best player on whoscored and man of the match 3 times

 

Edited 19 February, 2024 by Convict Colony

[Wade Garrett]

For me, he cheats a bit on the ball.  All square or backwards.

[rallyboy]

36 minutes ago, Convict Colony said:

I dont buy this as i followed his progress and up until Jan he was being lauded

It's February, he's not being lauded - now West Ham fans are saying the only way he breaks Beckham's record is by fucking TWO Spice Girls.

[SuperSAINT]

41 minutes ago, Convict Colony said:

I dont buy this as i followed his progress and up until Jan he was being lauded and see as one of the better players in the team, too much recency bias with pundits.

Rated 2nd best player on whoscored and man of the match 3 times

 

West Ham fans, though, amigo.

[S-Clarke]

1 hour ago, Convict Colony said:

I dont buy this as i followed his progress and up until Jan he was being lauded and see as one of the better players in the team, too much recency bias with pundits.

Rated 2nd best player on whoscored and man of the match 3 times

 

He's been good for them, it was only a few weeks ago some WHU fans were calling for him to be their captain.

I think most WHU fans think he's been a good buy for them and they like him, there are just a few trying to get clicks by saying something controversial. There are many worse players in their team.

[Osvaldorama]

4 hours ago, Paulwantsapint81 said:

Could JWP & FD play together?

if so offer West Ham we take both of them off their hands

Would rather sign Flynn Downes than take JWP back tbh. Proper DMs seem to be harder to find. 
 

But yes. I think they could compliment each other much like Romeu and Jwp did 

[austsaint]

6 minutes ago, Osvaldorama said:

Would rather sign Flynn Downes than take JWP back tbh. Proper DMs seem to be harder to find. 
 

But yes. I think they could compliment each other much like Romeu and Jwp did 

Agree with both your sentences.