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    Quote Originally Posted by Stud mark of doom View Post
    Obviously a far worse footballer but was he really a worse buy than Osvaldo? Very sad he has any competition for the worst buy tag!
    yes. considerably

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    Quote Originally Posted by hypochondriac View Post
    Yep. The obvious choice was to sack the manager but because they were scared to do that they went in the opposite direction by refusing to sack him and actually spunking a load of cash on one of his players. Utterly insane.
    Donít know about you but Iíve tried to rationalise it. I just cannot for the life of me understand it. Kruger even admitted after Pellegrino had gone theyíd considered sacking him a few times prior to when they did but each time we got a decent result so they gave him the benefit of the doubt. To then spunk £20m and sack the manager a few weeks later was insanity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Turkish View Post
    Donít know about you but Iíve tried to rationalise it. I just cannot for the life of me understand it. Kruger even admitted after Pellegrino had gone theyíd considered sacking him a few times prior to when they did but each time we got a decent result so they gave him the benefit of the doubt. To then spunk £20m and sack the manager a few weeks later was insanity.
    It highlights how we didn't really have anyone running things properly. Cortese was a complete cock but at least when it came to football he was decisive. Imagine making the decision on whether to sack someone on or not on the last couple of results! Pellegrino is the worst manager I have ever seen at saints and I'm getting on a bit. I'd rather have had jan portvliet and wotte back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dusic View Post
    Will have one year left next summer so nobody will pay a fee for him then when they can get him for free the year after.
    Even on a free transfer he is overpriced.

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    He's probably the best paid player in Leganes history. Problem being it's us footing the bill.

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    I was thinking, at least Carrillo didnít physically attack our captain causing him to miss matches and grab the balls of someone on the Newcastle bench (or something like that).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Batman View Post
    The whole Pellegrino situation was utterly strange.

    Nothing can explain why he was brought in and then kept on until it was almost too late

    Other than to be seen backing an appalling manager, the signing of Carrillo is just as weird
    What is strange is that he was presented as a prgressive attacking manager when he clearly was the opposite. He really was a **** up.

    But Les and the management team were sold on this idea that if you kept getting of managers you could build something bad into the culture of the first team. I remember this being alluded to in an interview with Les, that the team could develop the habit of choosing when to play for a manager and any manager could be dispensed of by the first team at their choosing. So they stuck with MP far longer than they should have done, trying to break this perceived cycle. Maybe backing the manager with a player of his choice was an extension of this approach. They got out of jail with Mark Hughes and then compounded their mistake by giving him the full time gig. The management did make some big mistakes.

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    What was funny was last year at the fan forum when Les said he still believed Carrillo had a part to play at Saints despite him being loaned out the week or so before.

    Just an absolute mess of a transfer signing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saints foreva View Post
    What was funny was last year at the fan forum when Les said he still believed Carrillo had a part to play at Saints despite him being loaned out the week or so before.

    Just an absolute mess of a transfer signing.
    In fairness he was right, the donkey still does have a part to play at Saints. Draining about £20K per week from the payroll while on loan, along with installment payments on the £19M fee.

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    I see Leganťs are doing well. Not won a game yet, lost 6 drawn 2 and sit bottom of the table and Carrillo hasn't scored in 5 appearances!

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    They have only scored 3 goals in those 5 games. He has managed 1 assist though!

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    That's NOT good for us, whether we want to sell Guido, or keep him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the saint in winchester View Post
    That's NOT good for us, whether we want to sell Guido, or keep him.
    Sell him? We couldn't give him away. We broke our record transfer fee to buy him and then we broke it again to buy Vestergaard. We spent a total of £60 million in transfer fees on those two plus Elyounoussi. But, of course, that's not all. There are also their wages and agents' fees to factor in. The ridiculous thing is that at the time we bought them, most of our fans already knew they were a waste of money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nordic Saint View Post
    Sell him? We couldn't give him away. We broke our record transfer fee to buy him and then we broke it again to buy Vestergaard. We spent a total of £60 million in transfer fees on those two plus Elyounoussi. But, of course, that's not all. There are also their wages and agents' fees to factor in. The ridiculous thing is that at the time we bought them, most of our fans already knew they were a waste of money.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nordic Saint View Post
    Sell him? We couldn't give him away. We broke our record transfer fee to buy him and then we broke it again to buy Vestergaard. We spent a total of £60 million in transfer fees on those two plus Elyounoussi. But, of course, that's not all. There are also their wages and agents' fees to factor in. The ridiculous thing is that at the time we bought them, most of our fans already knew they were a waste of money.
    Actually most of our fans were creaming themselves over elyounoyssi and vestergaard.. go read the original threads.
    I always find it a bit hippo-critical for people to bash read or whatever for signings the w**ked over and celebrated over at the time even though it’s not our jobs.. but for example I was super excited when we signed the likes of Osvaldo Gastůn and clasie but I’m not gonna turn round now and whine about the signings because I agreed with them Osvaldo in particular looked super ambitious on paper getting an Italian international from Roma who was up their with top scorers in serie a the season before. I still think it was a ambitious move

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nordic Saint View Post
    Sell him? We couldn't give him away. We broke our record transfer fee to buy him and then we broke it again to buy Vestergaard. We spent a total of £60 million in transfer fees on those two plus Elyounoussi. But, of course, that's not all. There are also their wages and agents' fees to factor in. The ridiculous thing is that at the time we bought them, most of our fans already knew they were a waste of money.
    The Donkey definitely. But I don't think we knew the other two were as bad as they are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nordic Saint View Post
    Sell him? We couldn't give him away. We broke our record transfer fee to buy him and then we broke it again to buy Vestergaard. We spent a total of £60 million in transfer fees on those two plus Elyounoussi. But, of course, that's not all. There are also their wages and agents' fees to factor in. The ridiculous thing is that at the time we bought them, most of our fans already knew they were a waste of money.
    It's only Carillo that looked obviously dodgy mainly because of his record of not ever actually scoring any goals in professional football matches.

    Vestergaard and Elyounoussi both looked like classic Saints signings (in a good way) at the time.

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    If you sign players from YouTube highlights then yes Vestergaard and Elyounoussi both looked like classic Saints signings (in a good way) at the time.

    However if you watched them in full games you'd quickly realise (like a lot of us said at the time) that
    Vestergaard is too slow for the EPL and Elyounoussi too lightweight

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heisenberg View Post
    If you sign players from YouTube highlights then yes Vestergaard and Elyounoussi both looked like classic Saints signings (in a good way) at the time.

    However if you watched them in full games you'd quickly realise (like a lot of us said at the time) that
    Vestergaard is too slow for the EPL and Elyounoussi too lightweight
    Yep, what goes through people's minds when giving new players the benefit of the doubt when they haven't seen them play...? Bonkers.

    https://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthre...ik-Vestergaard




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    Quote Originally Posted by CB Fry View Post
    It's only Carillo that looked obviously dodgy mainly because of his record of not ever actually scoring any goals in professional football matches.

    Vestergaard and Elyounoussi both looked like classic Saints signings (in a good way) at the time.
    Vestergaard looked awful to anyone who had watched him. Everything we now know was obvious then: can't jump, can't run and turning speed of an oil tanker. Elynoussi on the other hand did look half decent to me but arguably looks an even worse signing than Vestergaard.

    Whatever, £60m plus agents fees, signing on fees, wages for those 2 plus Carillo is appalling business.

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    The black box is a room full of videos. Presumably somebody must have watched videos of Vestergaard before we signed him. And anyone who watched him play in a match for us when he first arrived would have noticed how slow and unathletic he was so it's surprising that if we had an actual scout watching him play before we parted with so much money for him, he didn't notice Vestergaard's obvious deficiencies.

    At the time we signed him I had a look at a few videos of him and my conclusion was "From what I've seen of him on videos, his lack of pace is a real cause for concern. Also, perhaps because he is so tall, and doesn't need to, he's not very good at jumping."

    I'm not saying I'm a particularly talented scout because anyone who watched him play, even on videos, would have noticed the same deficiencies that we all have now that we've seen him play.

    The signing of such players as Carrillo and Vestergaard indicates there was something seriously amiss in the club's current recruitment setup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trousers View Post
    Yep, what goes through people's minds when giving new players the benefit of the doubt when they haven't seen them play...? Bonkers.

    https://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthre...ik-Vestergaard



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    Anyone who watches YouTube highlights videos of a central defender is an effing weirdo in my opinion.

    In fairness I only get to about twelve seconds in on videos of strikers before drifting off to Pornhub so let's just say all player Youtubes.
    Last edited by CB Fry; 14-10-2019 at 06:32 PM.

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    Apparently, after receiving referrals from scouts, Ted Bates always watched players at home and away before signing them

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    Another defeat today for the Clown and his goalless Donkey. Propping up La Liga with a massive haul of 2 points from 9 matches.

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    All this talk of videos and youtube clips of potential signings is one thing, but I can't believe we can spend eight figure sums on a player without having someone very senior at the club watching that player at least half-a-dozen times. Surely!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Morse View Post
    All this talk of videos and youtube clips of potential signings is one thing, but I can't believe we can spend eight figure sums on a player without having someone very senior at the club watching that player at least half-a-dozen times. Surely!!!
    He was the manager’s choice and the club backed his ‘judgment’.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nordic Saint View Post
    The black box is a room full of videos. Presumably somebody must have watched videos of Vestergaard before we signed him. And anyone who watched him play in a match for us when he first arrived would have noticed how slow and unathletic he was so it's surprising that if we had an actual scout watching him play before we parted with so much money for him, he didn't notice Vestergaard's obvious deficiencies.

    At the time we signed him I had a look at a few videos of him and my conclusion was "From what I've seen of him on videos, his lack of pace is a real cause for concern. Also, perhaps because he is so tall, and doesn't need to, he's not very good at jumping."

    I'm not saying I'm a particularly talented scout because anyone who watched him play, even on videos, would have noticed the same deficiencies that we all have now that we've seen him play.

    The signing of such players as Carrillo and Vestergaard indicates there was something seriously amiss in the club's current recruitment setup.
    In my view it’s quite simple. 4-5 years ago
    When we made signings like Tadic, Van Dijk, Mane etc they all cost £10-£15m. Top players cost £40-£50m. We were shopping in the potentially good but unproven market. Since then transfer values have rocketed, top players cost £80-£100m, so it figures that what once cost £10-£15m, now cost £25-£30m, yet we are still shopping in the £15m market but this means that these players are at least a level down from the ones we used to get. Of course we might get lucky now and and again, Djenepo looks like he has something but we’re back to the days when we were signing the likes of Jelle Van Damme, Michael Nileson and Jaconsen where because the club had had success a couple of years previously with Niemi, the Svensons, And so on in that price bracket they forgot that prices go up and you have to pay more To get the same level.

    If Wilson and Reed were part of the problem I don’t know but if it’s because they’ve only been allowed to spend this amounts from Goa and Kat then they are the problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Turkish View Post
    In my view it’s quite simple. 4-5 years ago
    When we made signings like Tadic, Van Dijk, Mane etc they all cost £10-£15m. Top players cost £40-£50m. We were shopping in the potentially good but unproven market. Since then transfer values have rocketed, top players cost £80-£100m, so it figures that what once cost £10-£15m, now cost £25-£30m, yet we are still shopping in the £15m market but this means that these players are at least a level down from the ones we used to get. Of course we might get lucky now and and again, Djenepo looks like he has something but we’re back to the days when we were signing the likes of Jelle Van Damme, Michael Nileson and Jaconsen where because the club had had success a couple of years previously with Niemi, the Svensons, And so on in that price bracket they forgot that prices go up and you have to pay more To get the same level.

    If Wilson and Reed were part of the problem I don’t know but if it’s because they’ve only been allowed to spend this amounts from Goa and Kat then they are the problem.
    Good post Turks, doubt people will "get" it though

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    We'd be able to get a couple of £25m level players if we had wasted all our money. Carrillo, Elyounoussi, Hoedt, Vesterguard, Lemina, not to mention manager sackings etc. We've wasted £100m easily. So it's no wonder we still have to shop for cheaper players.

    We need to stay up for a year or two without wasting any more money, get the loans sold and then hopefully we can start investing properly again.

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    Pellegrino has left Leganes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by adriansfc View Post
    We'd be able to get a couple of £25m level players if we had wasted all our money. Carrillo, Elyounoussi, Hoedt, Vesterguard, Lemina, not to mention manager sackings etc. We've wasted £100m easily. So it's no wonder we still have to shop for cheaper players.

    We need to stay up for a year or two without wasting any more money, get the loans sold and then hopefully we can start investing properly again.
    Why didnít we get them when we bought Lemina and Hoedt?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperSAINT View Post
    Pellegrino has left Leganes.
    ĎMutual consentí after 2 points from 9 games. Not sacked then?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperSAINT View Post
    Pellegrino has left Leganes.
    Genuinely think he's the worst manager I've ever seen at saints. I'd rather have had Dennis wise, luggy or portvliet.

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    Could have been the next Fergie according to some on here.

    #premature

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperSAINT View Post
    Pellegrino has left Leganes.
    Les will find him a role in the FA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shurlock View Post
    Could have been the next Fergie according to some on here.

    #premature
    In Black Eyed Peas?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fan The Flames View Post
    In Black Eyed Peas?
    No, Prince Andrew's Ex.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperSAINT View Post
    Pellegrino has left Leganes.
    Let’s hope some Chinese or Arab club, with money to spend, hires Pellegrino and allows him buy Carrillo from us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shurlock View Post
    Could have been the next Fergie according to some on here.

    #premature
    No one pipes up that Pellegrino should have been given more time!

    If only he had 3 years to build his own team, ffs

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    Quote Originally Posted by Badger View Post
    Les will find him a role in the FA.
    Yeah he can organise argentinan steak night in the canteen

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    Quote Originally Posted by shurlock View Post
    Could have been the next Fergie according to some on here.

    #premature
    I don't believe for a second that anybody said Mauricio Pelligrino could be the next Alex Ferguson.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saint_clark View Post
    I don't believe for a second that anybody said Mauricio Pelligrino could be the next Alex Ferguson.
    They didn't. I suspect some posters wanted the manager to be given time to build and someone probably pulled out the old "Ferguson was almost sacked in his first season" routine..

    ... Either that or Shurlock's hashtag was a reference that he is having trouble keeping the misses happy in the bedroom...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Batman View Post
    No one pipes up that Pellegrino should have been given more time!

    If only he had 3 years to build his own team, ffs
    well you do need an instant impact to buy the fans trust!
    most if not 99% could see within the first 8 weeks he wasn't up to scratch except the 2 most important of all! Reed and Krueger!

    With hindsight those draws and that 4-1 win over Everton just papered over the cracks and brought him more time he did not deserve- that £19m I genuinely think should go down as one of worlds worst signing- at least Ali Dia only cost a months wage

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    Hopefully he goes somewhere with a bit larger budget, and he can buy Carrillo off us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nta786 View Post
    well you do need an instant impact to buy the fans trust!
    most if not 99% could see within the first 8 weeks he wasn't up to scratch except the 2 most important of all! Reed and Krueger!

    With hindsight those draws and that 4-1 win over Everton just papered over the cracks and brought him more time he did not deserve- that £19m I genuinely think should go down as one of worlds worst signing- at least Ali Dia only cost a months wage
    They probably did, but they weren't going to admit their mistake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Kucho View Post
    Let’s hope some Chinese or Arab club, with money to spend, hires Pellegrino and allows him buy Carrillo from us.
    They may have money but I doubt any of them are that stupid.

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    ďWhat do you want me to do, throw myself off a 20-storey building? If they said me going would make the team win, I would be gone in a minute,Ē manager Mauricio Pellegrino said after his Leganťs team lost the derby against Getafe, leaving them stuck on the bottom of the table without a win all season and him on the edge.

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    A bit harsh on himself. Ten storeys would be plenty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Turkish View Post
    In my view it’s quite simple. 4-5 years ago
    When we made signings like Tadic, Van Dijk, Mane etc they all cost £10-£15m. Top players cost £40-£50m. We were shopping in the potentially good but unproven market. Since then transfer values have rocketed, top players cost £80-£100m, so it figures that what once cost £10-£15m, now cost £25-£30m, yet we are still shopping in the £15m market but this means that these players are at least a level down from the ones we used to get. Of course we might get lucky now and and again, Djenepo looks like he has something but we’re back to the days when we were signing the likes of Jelle Van Damme, Michael Nileson and Jaconsen where because the club had had success a couple of years previously with Niemi, the Svensons, And so on in that price bracket they forgot that prices go up and you have to pay more To get the same level.

    If Wilson and Reed were part of the problem I don’t know but if it’s because they’ve only been allowed to spend this amounts from Goa and Kat then they are the problem.
    Whilst this is an element we have had a serious issue with player selection and obviously do not - have not had the correct skill level at the club to recognise a very good player when buying in.
    Looking at the under 23s this week this issue is reflected right through the first team squad and the under 23s who donít have a single player within touching distance of the first team squad and I wouldnít expect those players to cost 30m.
    The quality or lack of it on show was truly atrocious against Blackburn. Maybe this is coaching maybe itís poor recruitment but we have one hell of a mountain to climb before we are anywhere near where we need to be as an organisation.

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