MAY-Z Posted 25 August, 2021 Share Posted 25 August, 2021 Just now, Chez said: Very strange decision for the manager to (effectively) say that Forster is out of here next summer when he may need to rely on him this season. Why not keep your powder dry? Maybe Forster informed the club he wanted to leave, thus he wasn't revealing anything Forster didn't already know. Ralph obviously feels McCarthy proved himself last season. Not sure I agree. This is what I was thinking, so how bad does McCarthy have to be this season to be dropped? He also already been instrumental in us conceding 2 goals and if he does become absolutely unpickable, what frame of mind will Forster be in when he comes in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFC Forever Posted 25 August, 2021 Share Posted 25 August, 2021 The bloke was in palaces reserves and we bought him because we needed a gk. For me that is the one thing that he is not. He will never be and even some of the lower league teams would drop him after a game or two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 25 August, 2021 Share Posted 25 August, 2021 2 minutes ago, Saint_clark said: Signing a new contract is shit but understandable if we didn't want to leave ourselves trying to sign two keepers next summer. I guess the question is, would it be possible to sign two keepers, both better than McCarthy, with next to no funds? Nice to have a clean slate, but equally, having a `steady' keeper at the club is n bad thing, assuming McCarthy can be considered steady. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 25 August, 2021 Share Posted 25 August, 2021 Just now, Chez said: I guess the question is, would it be possible to sign two keepers, both better than McCarthy, with next to no funds? Nice to have a clean slate, but equally, having a `steady' keeper at the club is n bad thing, assuming McCarthy can be considered steady. I agree, but that falls about if the club are going to keep McCarthy as number one and sign a youngster to be his backup rather than going all out for experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notnowcato Posted 25 August, 2021 Share Posted 25 August, 2021 1 minute ago, MAY-Z said: This is what I was thinking, so how bad does McCarthy have to be this season to be dropped? He also already been instrumental in us conceding 2 goals and if he does become absolutely unpickable, what frame of mind will Forster be in when he comes in? The frame of mind where he needs to perform to earn a new contract somewhere else?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 25 August, 2021 Share Posted 25 August, 2021 1 minute ago, MAY-Z said: This is what I was thinking, so how bad does McCarthy have to be this season to be dropped? He also already been instrumental in us conceding 2 goals and if he does become absolutely unpickable, what frame of mind will Forster be in when he comes in? If McCarthy's form is not good and then Forster comes in, it will look terrible that the former has the new deal and the latter is leaving. Ralph isn't going to drop McCarthy, unless he absolutely has to - whatever that means - as it will make the decision look terrible. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAY-Z Posted 25 August, 2021 Share Posted 25 August, 2021 Just now, Chez said: If McCarthy's form is not good and then Forster comes in, it will look terrible that the former has the new deal and the latter is leaving. Ralph isn't going to drop McCarthy, unless he absolutely has to - whatever that means - as it will make the decision look terrible. Yep, this is absolutely terrible and has the potential to derail a lot of other good work done over the summer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notnowcato Posted 25 August, 2021 Share Posted 25 August, 2021 2 minutes ago, Chez said: If McCarthy's form is not good and then Forster comes in, it will look terrible that the former has the new deal and the latter is leaving. Ralph isn't going to drop McCarthy, unless he absolutely has to - whatever that means - as it will make the decision look terrible. Fraser wasn't going to sign a new contract, what do you do?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 25 August, 2021 Share Posted 25 August, 2021 2 minutes ago, Saint_clark said: I agree, but that falls about if the club are going to keep McCarthy as number one and sign a youngster to be his backup rather than going all out for experience. The thought process will be to buy a younger (cheaper) keeper and if he is good enough, he replaces McCarthy sooner or later. That seems to be the new model. Buy players and promote. That said ,we have seen young players get that promotion quickly already. All we can hope for is the new `young' keeper is the nuts and he has to be picked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notnowcato Posted 25 August, 2021 Share Posted 25 August, 2021 Bloody hell the sales of waterproof bed linen must be on the rise 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwbu Posted 25 August, 2021 Share Posted 25 August, 2021 A lot of revisionism on here suggesting that Forster is much better than McCarthy. McCarthy has fallen into some truly terrible form as of Christmas last year, prior to that I think we’d have all been pretty concerned about Fraser becoming number 1. Neither are great at the moment, I just hope McCarthy can overcome what looks like a complete lack of confidence/form. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 25 August, 2021 Share Posted 25 August, 2021 19 minutes ago, adriansfc said: Who are worse first choice keepers? In the premier league. This season or last. Your thing is logic and zero emotion right? So why would a club allow a position to be ignored for a season? A decision that could ultimately mean relegation. When bringing in near £50m in fees and unloading huge wages. Why would they not allocate a fee and wages to a position we are so desperately lacking in? McCarthy and Gunn were signings that didn't prove good enough, fair enough it happens. But the persistence with McCarthy is pure incompetence and really calls staff judgement into question. If this was any other club we'd be mocking them for it. I'd literally rather have signed Joe Hart ffs. A keeper whose career has imploded, yet still a far superior option to McCarthy. But we could have been chasing people like Johnstone, Areola, Romero, Strakosha. Is it now going to be a case of signing another youngster to be back up to McCarthy? Dress it up how you want, but rewarding the incompetence McCarthy has consistently shown makes the club look ridiculous. I did not say he is a good first choice keeper. I'd prefer Fraser Forster to be playing. If McCarthy is staying and Forster leaving as seems the case, then I hope it is to be a back-up to the new keeper next summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 25 August, 2021 Share Posted 25 August, 2021 Clearly something has gone on behind the scenes in the GK department. I hope a decent option for an improvement on McCarthy comes up next summer, as it's a position we really need to improve in. McCarthy is so poor. Forster is reported to be on a higher wage, so assuming that's why they've chosen to keep Macca and move Forster on finally. Not sure what happens if Macca has a really poor season and then Forster comes in and does well. Sounds like there is little route back for Forster now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 25 August, 2021 Share Posted 25 August, 2021 Christ. McCarthy new deal. Keeper blindness. Awful footballer. But in keeping with inadequate coaching set up. Will cost us dearly. Terrible news. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErwinK1961 Posted 25 August, 2021 Share Posted 25 August, 2021 17 minutes ago, Chez said: The thought process will be to buy a younger (cheaper) keeper and if he is good enough, he replaces McCarthy sooner or later. That seems to be the new model. Buy players and promote. That said ,we have seen young players get that promotion quickly already. All we can hope for is the new `young' keeper is the nuts and he has to be picked. Think GK's are a bit different to other positions though, they peak and mature later. Bringing in an u21 (or even u25) in that position is a big gamble - not the same as a Livramento type move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctoroncall Posted 25 August, 2021 Share Posted 25 August, 2021 11 minutes ago, Chez said: The thought process will be to buy a younger (cheaper) keeper and if he is good enough, he replaces McCarthy sooner or later. That seems to be the new model. Buy players and promote. That said ,we have seen young players get that promotion quickly already. All we can hope for is the new `young' keeper is the nuts and he has to be picked. The new keeper would have to be able to challenge for the starting place. I don’t think there is any other PL side that doesn’t have two effective first team keepers that can be inter changeable. otherwise it’s a big risk to have to go into the loan market as an emergency. no idea what the keeper market is like this summer but I hope the club are starting on the search for one now to bring them in early next summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 25 August, 2021 Share Posted 25 August, 2021 Just now, ErwinK1961 said: Think GK's are a bit different to other positions though, they peak and mature later. Bringing in an u21 (or even u25) in that position is a big gamble - not the same as a Livramento type move. Ever since De Gea went to United everyone has been trying to sign a 21 year old keeper who will be their number 1 forever. What people forget about the goalkeeper position is you can sign an experienced goalkeeper at 28 years old and still have him be your number one for anywhere up to 10 years. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 25 August, 2021 Share Posted 25 August, 2021 44 minutes ago, Baird of the land said: I take with a pinch of salt the stuff about signing an understudy. Think it's likely fluff to go alongside a contract renewal for our current first choice. Hardly likely to come out and say next season we'll replace him. Yep. He's adequate backup for next year. Bit mad that he will be first choice all of this season though but never mind. All the fluff about being the best is just part of the fluff piece for the article. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 25 August, 2021 Share Posted 25 August, 2021 1 hour ago, Mr X said: Both keepers are poor make no mistake but out of the two at the moment id rather see fraser in goal. He is the better shot stopper of the two and sometimes just the sheer size of a lump in goal can put strikers off. The goal conceded and united was soft, I know it went through salisu's legs and McCarthy might have seen it late but it wasn't struck with any particular venom and you don't expect it to go through your keepers legs as well! All depends where the shots go. Let’s not be revisionist about FF eh he let plenty past him that were very close and not deflected etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 25 August, 2021 Share Posted 25 August, 2021 11 minutes ago, DT said: Christ. McCarthy new deal. Keeper blindness. Awful footballer. But in keeping with inadequate coaching set up. Will cost us dearly. Terrible news. Doom doom doom 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy Corbyn Posted 25 August, 2021 Share Posted 25 August, 2021 No problem with AM being Southampton's long term number 2 and I assume FF has said definitively he wont sign a new contract under any circumstances. However, hopefully FF and the club are still on good terms as AM is a pretty poor number 1 and at the very least we need some decent competition this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igsey Posted 25 August, 2021 Share Posted 25 August, 2021 Don't understand how we always have such a blind spot with keepers, he was statistically the second-worst keeper in the league last season and cost us far more points than he won - United this weekend being a good example. I don't mind the extension with a view for him bench-warming for the next three years but we absolutely have to upgrade sooner rather than later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusic Posted 25 August, 2021 Share Posted 25 August, 2021 Interesting that two of our recent POTS's in McCarthy and Redmond are now viewed as utter dross. Overreaction? Highlighting how our squad has actually improved? Highlighting how bad it was? Or poor judgement from fans in voting for them? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Katalinic's 'tache Posted 25 August, 2021 Share Posted 25 August, 2021 1 hour ago, santolijador said: Seen on twitter someone quoting the article as saying that we will be looking for a 'young understudy' to AM next year - is someone with a subscription to The Athletic able to confirm this? If so, bad news. Or a great chance for a talented young keeper to shift AM out of the team pretty quickly after they arrive by just doing the basics well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted 25 August, 2021 Share Posted 25 August, 2021 7 minutes ago, Ivan Katalinic's 'tache said: Or a great chance for a talented young keeper to shift AM out of the team pretty quickly after they arrive by just doing the basics well? Just a talented keeper would be nice....late 20s will suffice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WALK DMC Posted 25 August, 2021 Share Posted 25 August, 2021 1 hour ago, Lord Duckhunter said: What a load of old pony. Ralph has clearly decided AM is his best keeper. Regardless of the contract situation he can choose either. Are you trying to claim that Ralph isn’t picking who he considers to be the best keeper? Fantastic !!!!! I got my very first "load of old pony" from Duckhunter. I now only have climbing Everest and Saints winning the European cup to achieve all of my life's ambitions. And in answer to your question. The answer is Yes - Neither are great but he is selecting the individual with the long term future over the one that wants to leave. It happens, particularly when neither goalie is particularly great. I am not suggesting that I agree - just that I believe that is the rationale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddeer Posted 25 August, 2021 Share Posted 25 August, 2021 On 23/08/2021 at 16:38, Saint_clark said: That's mental. Neither of them should be offered new contracts and so their willingness to sign should be irrelevant to who plays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddeer Posted 25 August, 2021 Share Posted 25 August, 2021 McCarthy must be laughing all the way to the bank. Why not just give him a one year contract? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suhari Posted 25 August, 2021 Share Posted 25 August, 2021 I think we all know the real issue with the goalkeeper situation is that we don't have enough goalkeeper coaches at the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baird of the land Posted 25 August, 2021 Share Posted 25 August, 2021 18 minutes ago, Teddeer said: McCarthy must be laughing all the way to the bank. Why not just give him a one year contract? Maybe giving him security of longer contract enabled them to get him to agree to a better wage from the club's perspective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hodgey Posted 25 August, 2021 Share Posted 25 August, 2021 I’m utterly shocked reading this that some people have Forster as one of our highest ranked gks - people have short memories, he’s been utter garbage since his big injury. That said McCarthy isn’t any better - our obsession in buying English gks has backfired horribly. Scandalous we haven’t sorted such a key position and are kicking it down the road again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintTex Posted 25 August, 2021 Share Posted 25 August, 2021 (edited) well they are both out of contract at the end of this season. I think it is wise to re-sign one of them (although i would prefer it be Forster) ...and THEN go out and and spend some cash on a starting GK next summer. If for some reason that doesn't work out, we always have one of them for 22/23. Edited 25 August, 2021 by SaintTex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 25 August, 2021 Share Posted 25 August, 2021 Oh FFS 🤬 Why, oh why, oh why??? We could have had two proper keepers next year instead of a bag of nerves and Alex McScaredshitless. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FarehamSaintJames Posted 25 August, 2021 Share Posted 25 August, 2021 Stupid decision to offer him a new contract, he has done nothing to deserve it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy the Kidd Posted 25 August, 2021 Share Posted 25 August, 2021 2 hours ago, Toadhall Saint said: Doom doom doom Whenever I read those posts, I have them narrated in the voice of Eeyore in my head. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 25 August, 2021 Share Posted 25 August, 2021 33 minutes ago, Billy the Kidd said: Whenever I read those posts, I have them narrated in the voice of Eeyore in my head. 👏👍 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 25 August, 2021 Share Posted 25 August, 2021 Hopefully he's taken a pay cut? that would be the only way this makes an inkling of sense. Ideally we'd have let them both expire in the summer and get two new goalies, but maybe that would have been too much work. I don't see how he deserves a new contract though, not at this point anyway. This makes as little sense as the Theo signing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex Lion Tamer Posted 25 August, 2021 Share Posted 25 August, 2021 5 hours ago, santolijador said: Seen on twitter someone quoting the article as saying that we will be looking for a 'young understudy' to AM next year - is someone with a subscription to The Athletic able to confirm this? If so, bad news. Don't believe everything that comes out of the club. If you did that, you'd think we were still rotating our keepers this season and Djenepo was playing left back 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harvey Posted 25 August, 2021 Share Posted 25 August, 2021 Well that puts a dampener on things! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon3737 Posted 25 August, 2021 Share Posted 25 August, 2021 3 hours ago, S-Clarke said: Hopefully he's taken a pay cut? that would be the only way this makes an inkling of sense. Ideally we'd have let them both expire in the summer and get two new goalies, but maybe that would have been too much work. I don't see how he deserves a new contract though, not at this point anyway. This makes as little sense as the Theo signing. I was thinking that too. If he’s taken a pay cut in exchange for more job security, this will have reduced our (immediate) wage bill and might not be as mad as it seems. I assume Theo made the same job security call this summer (and didn’t fancy moving his family abroad to Dubai Rovers or Las Vegas Albion or wherever). Having said that, I’d have preferred us to ‘take the risk’ of letting both goalkeepers leave next summer. Finally, I agree with those who’ve pointed out that the Club have to say he’ll be number one next season in this announcement. They’d hardly say Alex agrees he’s not the best and will step back to reserve next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suhari Posted 25 August, 2021 Share Posted 25 August, 2021 He didn't concede tonight. An improvement. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 25 August, 2021 Share Posted 25 August, 2021 9 hours ago, Jeremy Corbyn said: No problem with AM being Southampton's long term number 2 and I assume FF has said definitively he wont sign a new contract under any circumstances. However, hopefully FF and the club are still on good terms as AM is a pretty poor number 1 and at the very least we need some decent competition this season. I just wonder if the relationship between Forster and the club is not terribly great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevy777_x Posted 26 August, 2021 Share Posted 26 August, 2021 4 hours ago, Chez said: I just wonder if the relationship between Forster and the club is not terribly great. Of course it isn’t. The guy has been unproductive for us over the last 4 seasons while being paid a fortune (was the highest paid player at the club before JWP signed his new contract). We ve tried shifting him over several summers now and he has prefered to stay and earn his fat pay check. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baird of the land Posted 28 August, 2021 Share Posted 28 August, 2021 Cracking save in the first half today and came and claimed nicely at the end when my nerves were shot at 2-2. Can't see how he could have done much about either goal. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Kint Posted 28 August, 2021 Share Posted 28 August, 2021 13 minutes ago, Baird of the land said: Cracking save in the first half today and came and claimed nicely at the end when my nerves were shot at 2-2. Can't see how he could have done much about either goal. Wasting your breath on here. Fans on here will find a way to blame him for every goal we concede from here on out. For what its worth I thought he showed why he's no.1 still in that he came and claimed crosses that forster just wouldn't do, and considering how dodgy our CBs look in the air, it shouldn't be underestimated how important that is right now 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cat Posted 28 August, 2021 Share Posted 28 August, 2021 Solid game today. No chance with the goals, one very good save. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulwantsapint81 Posted 28 August, 2021 Share Posted 28 August, 2021 Sounded like he was a keeper today claiming corners & leaving his line Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddeer Posted 28 August, 2021 Share Posted 28 August, 2021 No complaints about that performance from McCarthy. Giving the ball away carelessly twice high up the pitch leading to two break away goals let us down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barsiem Posted 26 September, 2021 Share Posted 26 September, 2021 Is it just me or was McCarthy standing no where near the centre of the goal for Jimenez’ winner today? He basically gave him an open goal today! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted 26 September, 2021 Share Posted 26 September, 2021 18 minutes ago, Barsiem said: Is it just me or was McCarthy standing no where near the centre of the goal for Jimenez’ winner today? He basically gave him an open goal today! hard to blame him today for his shot stopping ability, claimed a few crosses. Distribution was awful though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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