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12 minutes ago, EBS1980 said:

Don’t get this Levy won’t let us have KWP now talk. Everton made an offer, saints say to spurs if you want him you’ll need to up your offer/make an offer around this. If spurs decide not to then so be it. We shouldn’t not accept Everton offer because spurs want to pay less. 

Nobody is suggesting we should accept a lesser offer from Spurs.

Just that whiost we each wanted one of the others players there was clearly an opportunity to find some middle ground.

Reading between the lines there was no option agreed in January for KWP because the clubs couldn't agree on that fee. Its also been stated that Levy personally rates KWP. In addition, he has been playing very well for us, in view of Spurs (who know we are about to receive a hefty transfer fee) and other clubs, some of whom may be looking for a RB.

Spurs and Levy are notoriously difficult to deal with, so the fruities on here who think we will get KWP for £8m to £10m are absolutely deluded. If Hojbjerg doesn't move to Spurs it doesn't mean KWP won't move to Saints, but it does make it more difficult IMO as a common interest in finding middle ground has been removed. Spurs will simply want as much as they can get for him and probably won't care if they wait til deadline day to get it.

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Don't really mind whether he goes to Everton or Spurs, he's not good enough to start for either of them. Just be glad to get this one sorted on the opening day of the window to give Ralph as much time as possible to build the team for next season.

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meh...£25m is probably about right, obviously more is better but not sure he is all that. Morgan and Victor were better when they went. Will be interesting whether RH has a new player in mind in terms of a purchase or whether he feels Reed will be good enough, with the possibility of Jankewitz coming through in a year or two. 

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Think they'll both convert him into a bog standard defensive midfielder and try and get him to cut out the long range passing and shooting. He's got the energy and commitment to press and harry for 90 minutes, and if they can get him to lay the ball off simply to the likes of Gomes or Alli, he might do a job for them.

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12 minutes ago, MarkSFC said:

meh...£25m is probably about right, obviously more is better but not sure he is all that. Morgan and Victor were better when they went. Will be interesting whether RH has a new player in mind in terms of a purchase or whether he feels Reed will be good enough, with the possibility of Jankewitz coming through in a year or two. 

About right? He has one year left on his contract does he not? Thats a great deal for us, for a player who is not crucial to our plans (as we've seen in recent weeks). No doubt we'll be lucky to see the full 25 million reinvested in the transfer window.

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10 hours ago, woodsaint1 said:

 No doubt we'll be lucky to see the full 25 million reinvested in the transfer window.

the £25m figure being bandied about is probably the `maximum' we will receive should all (add ons) performance criteria be reached. If, for example, a few million is dependant on Everton qualifying for CL, then it would be prudent not to spend that money before it materialises. In general, I think the accounts show that we have spent what we have brought in. In the end, its not how much, its how well you spend it. 

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1 minute ago, Chez said:

the £25m figure being bandied about is probably the `maximum' we will receive should all (add ons) performance criteria be reached. If, for example, a few million is dependant on Everton qualifying for CL, then it would be prudent not to spend that money before it materialises. In general, I think the accounts show that we have spent what we have brought in. In the end, its not how much, its how well you spend it. 

In fact if you go through our transfer fees since we got promoted we've spent quite a bit more than we've brought in. This idea that we don't invest is nonsense, we just haven't invested particularly well. If Carrillo was a 20 goal a season striker, Lemina was too class and Vestergard unbeatable, we wouldn't be talking about a lack of investment. 

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12 hours ago, EBS1980 said:

Don’t get this Levy won’t let us have KWP now talk. Everton made an offer, saints say to spurs if you want him you’ll need to up your offer/make an offer around this. If spurs decide not to then so be it. We shouldn’t not accept Everton offer because spurs want to pay less. 

Agreed. Its just business. So long as the Everton offer is real, which I'm sure it is, then Spurs know they must match the fee. As for KWP, with Mourihno at the helm, they don't want him on their wage bill. We need to not lose sight of that during negotiations. The key is to have an alternative player to turn to if Spurs won't agree to the figure we have in mind. I wonder if we do have an alternative.

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4 minutes ago, Saint_clark said:

In fact if you go through our transfer fees since we got promoted we've spent quite a bit more than we've brought in. This idea that we don't invest is nonsense, we just haven't invested particularly well. If Carrillo was a 20 goal a season striker, Lemina was too class and Vestergard unbeatable, we wouldn't be talking about a lack of investment. 

No complaints from me about how much we have spent. After our previous financial meltdown I'm always very nervous when I see spending exceed income and the need for loans to tide us over until the SKY money comes in. It's not just about transfer fees anyway. The £115m wage bill shows that we are willing to spend. 

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24 minutes ago, Saint_clark said:

In fact if you go through our transfer fees since we got promoted we've spent quite a bit more than we've brought in. This idea that we don't invest is nonsense, we just haven't invested particularly well. If Carrillo was a 20 goal a season striker, Lemina was too class and Vestergard unbeatable, we wouldn't be talking about a lack of investment. 

It's not that we haven't spent money, we just haven't spent it wisely. 

When you have, what? £75m worth of players out on loan? It's pretty clear something has gone very wrong.

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37 minutes ago, Saint Garrett said:

Based on what? Never been mentioned before.

A guess based on it being a common clause in sales of promising young players. Bayern Munich would have been foolish not to include such a clause. 

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All reports coming out of Liverpool press and Everton Club is that no such bid has been made or accepted. Seems like his Agent is working hard to get Spuds to make a move. PEH rather naively seems to have got caught in the middle.

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16 minutes ago, Markyruk said:

All reports coming out of Liverpool press and Everton Club is that no such bid has been made or accepted. Seems like his Agent is working hard to get Spuds to make a move. PEH rather naively seems to have got caught in the middle.

Jeremy Wilson & Dan Sheldon went with it so it came from us. 

He will go to Spurs, but I don’t think it will be £25m.

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5 minutes ago, waylander said:

Jeremy Wilson & Jason Burt in the Telegraph say there have been 2 bids from Everton - £!8M and £25M. They are usually very well informed on our affairs so I'm inclined to believe them. They also say KWP wants to stay with us.

Chris Bascombe, on the Everton end of the Telegraph hasn’t said anything... 

Neither has Paul Joyce.

Everton aren’t normally shy about briefing the media.  

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It does feel like it has been fed from the Southampton end in some sort of tactical move to either speed it up or get another to commit.

I don't think the club want this to drag on, they want it done ASAP so they're trying to force it.

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11 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

It does feel like it has been fed from the Southampton end in some sort of tactical move to either speed it up or get another to commit.

I don't think the club want this to drag on, they want it done ASAP so they're trying to force it.

I don't see why Spurs would let newspaper articles influence them in a multi million pound business transaction. They'd be pretty daft if they did.

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Hojberg is happy to sit out next season if it means he can join Spurs. Everton isn't particularly interesting for him, but would go as a last resort.

It's an interesting conundrum, and a big risk for him, which would probably result in him joining Everton once a bid has actually been accepted. 

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28 minutes ago, Earthworm Jim said:

Hojberg is happy to sit out next season if it means he can join Spurs. Everton isn't particularly interesting for him, but would go as a last resort.

It's an interesting conundrum, and a big risk for him, which would probably result in him joining Everton once a bid has actually been accepted. 

It makes sense to be fair.

He really can’t join Everton after giving it the big one of ‘I want to win leagues and Champions Leagues’, that would be genuine egg in the face for him.

If Spurs won’t match Everton’s bid or pay that reasonable fee we’re after then for sure it is worthwhile for him to stay one more year.

I think it would be better for him to stay really, he’d receive a signing on fee and I genuinely think clubs like Inter or AC will have a look around if he is going on a free- they enjoy these sort of cut price fees- and clubs like those would deffo be a win-win for him over Everton!

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Tottenham Hotspur have held talks with Southampton over a move for Pierre-Emile Hojbjerg after the midfielder made it clear he wants to join the north London club.Hojbjerg is expected to complete a move to Spurs, despite the fact Everton had a bid of around £25 million accepted by Southampton.

Other than the confidence inside Tottenham that they will sign Hojbjerg, Everton also believe the Dane will team up with Jose Mourinho and may even withdraw their offer.It remains to be seen whether or not Spurs can immediately match Everton’s bid, but Hojbjerg’s desire means that a deal is likely to be agreed with Southampton.

Tottenham right-back Kyle Walker-Peters is on loan at Southampton and could make that move permanent with the fee going towards Hojbjerg’s switch in the opposite direction.Qualification for the Europa League could also free up some funds for Mourinho without the necessity to sell players before bidding for Hojbjerg.

With Hojbjerg’s contract entering its final 12 months and the player making it clear he will not sign a new deal, Southampton have little choice but to find an agreement to sell him.Seventh-placed Spurs must overtake Wolverhampton Wanderers in sixth on the final day to be sure of qualifying for the Europa League.

Should Arsenal win the FA Cup, then seventh would not be good enough. But if Chelsea lift the trophy then seventh place would take one of the Europa League spots.

Mourinho wants Hojbjerg to play as a deep-lying midfielder and potentially allow him to play both Gionvani Lo Celso and Tanguy Ndombele.

Ndombele has barely featured for Mourinho since the restart, but it is understood he could get more chances with Hojbjerg operating as the deepest-lying player in the middle of the park.

That would cast doubt on the regular involvement of Harry Winks, although Mourinho will needs greater depth to his midfield if Spurs are to improve on this season. Eric Dier was used as a holding midfielder by previous manager Mauricio Pochettino, but Mourinho has moved the former England international back to the centre of his defence.

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https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/jul/22/tottenham-confident-of-signing-pierre-emile-hojbjerg-from-southampton

 

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Tottenham are confident that they will close a deal for Southampton’s Pierre-Emile Højbjerg, even though Everton have had a bid of £25m accepted for the midfielder.

Højbjerg, who has one year to run on his Southampton contract, is determined to move to Spurs, where José Mourinho wants to play him in front of the back four, and he has made that desire plain.

With the will of the player in their favour, Spurs will look to conclude negotiations with Southampton, having thus far frustrated the south coast club with their valuation of Højbjerg. Southampton will use Everton’s £25m offer as the benchmark, although Spurs will try to get him for less.

Højbjerg was stripped of the Southampton captaincy after making it clear that he would not extend his deal with them and the 24-year-old has lost his place in the team since the return to action after the Premier League shutdown.

Southampton want to sign Kyle Walker-Peters on a permanent basis from Spurs, the 23-year-old right-back having been on loan with them since January. But in the interests of clarity, they are treating that and the Højbjerg deal as separate entities; the success or failure of one need not determine that of the other.

 

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interesting the different tones in those two stories (Guardian and Telegraph) to what has gone before. Both seem to suggest that Spurs hold many, if not all the cards and will low ball us knowing that's where the player wants to go. Havjng set a £25m benchmark, now Spurs know what to under cut. I wonder if Saints will try to play hard ball and refuse any offer below that figure despite knowing that they will have an unhappy player and an asset that will depreciate to £0 in 12months time? The game of poker begins, but the concept of a bidding war looks to have ended.  Watch the tone of the KWP transfer change in the near future to that of Spurs not needing to sell and Saints desperate to land their man. The reality is that Spurs want Hoj (the board won't want to disappoint Mourinho) and don't want KWP (the board want to free up wages).

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36 minutes ago, Chez said:

interesting the different tones in those two stories (Guardian and Telegraph) to what has gone before. Both seem to suggest that Spurs hold many, if not all the cards and will low ball us knowing that's where the player wants to go. Havjng set a £25m benchmark, now Spurs know what to under cut. I wonder if Saints will try to play hard ball and refuse any offer below that figure despite knowing that they will have an unhappy player and an asset that will depreciate to £0 in 12months time? The game of poker begins, but the concept of a bidding war looks to have ended.  Watch the tone of the KWP transfer change in the near future to that of Spurs not needing to sell and Saints desperate to land their man. The reality is that Spurs want Hoj (the board won't want to disappoint Mourinho) and don't want KWP (the board want to free up wages).

Possibly, though the Spurs board don't seem to have had keeping managers happy high on their list of priorities in previous windows. Levy just seems to have a mantra of always underpay and always oversell, and if either of those can't be achieved, he gets out of the market.

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1 hour ago, Chez said:

interesting the different tones in those two stories (Guardian and Telegraph) to what has gone before. Both seem to suggest that Spurs hold many, if not all the cards and will low ball us knowing that's where the player wants to go. Havjng set a £25m benchmark, now Spurs know what to under cut. I wonder if Saints will try to play hard ball and refuse any offer below that figure despite knowing that they will have an unhappy player and an asset that will depreciate to £0 in 12months time? The game of poker begins, but the concept of a bidding war looks to have ended.  Watch the tone of the KWP transfer change in the near future to that of Spurs not needing to sell and Saints desperate to land their man. The reality is that Spurs want Hoj (the board won't want to disappoint Mourinho) and don't want KWP (the board want to free up wages).

If the fee really is that low I would like to see us hold our ground. He'll want a 'big' move as a free agent next year so should still be a useful asset.

 

I think we need to remember that, as much as we are loathe to lose players on a free, you're summary in your last sentence is spot on. If spurs honestly think they can land a proven prem CM, previous skipper and key international for pennies they need a reality check - despite many on here who don't rate him he stills holds value.

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