Adam Armstrong - Official: Signs for Wolves

[Ldnsaint]

will come good if given the chance.. saw a lot of him at Blackburn

[John B]

9 minutes ago, Ldnsaint said:

will come good if given the chance.. saw a lot of him at Blackburn

You may well be right but how many games do you suggest he plays if he does not contribute to the team's success

 

 

[MAY-Z]

19 minutes ago, John B said:

You may well be right but how many games do you suggest he plays if he does not contribute to the team's success

 

 

Provided the assist for the only goal in the win at Watford and scored the only goal against villa, that’s 2 pretty important contributions in 2 pretty important wins

[Minsk]

3 minutes ago, MAY-Z said:

Provided the assist for the only goal in the win at Watford and scored the only goal against villa, that’s 2 pretty important contributions in 2 pretty important wins

Also got the assist for Che's goal against Utd, which was wrongly given as a Fred OG.

[Ex Lion Tamer]

3 hours ago, John B said:

You may well be right but how many games do you suggest he plays if he does not contribute to the team's success

 

 

Adams didn't start to shine until his second season. We've got to give players time

[saintwbu]

I sound like a broken record now but Ings was shite for us for the first 14/15 months, and he turned out alright. We need to give Armstrong time. He’s gotten worse/less impactive as time has gone on, which was just like Adams did in his first season - to me that just says confidence issues. It’ll come i’m sure, it’s extremely early days. 

[Turkish]

21 minutes ago, saintwbu said:

I sound like a broken record now but Ings was shite for us for the first 14/15 months, and he turned out alright. We need to give Armstrong time. He’s gotten worse/less impactive as time has gone on, which was just like Adams did in his first season - to me that just says confidence issues. It’ll come i’m sure, it’s extremely early days. 

Indeed, remember some posts on here whilst he was on loan asking if we had to sign him and some saying it was a mistake when we did. Agree, Armstrong has only been here a few months, give him time. 

[saint1977]

5 hours ago, Minsk said:

Also got the assist for Che's goal against Utd, which was wrongly given as a Fred OG.

And won the injury time pen up at Newcastle. Could be worth the fee alone come May.

[Mr X]

Armstrong is nearly 25 and at 20 Broja already has everything armstrong has and more.  I'm not going to write him off but its not looking good  the last few appearances i haven't noticed he's on the pitch, it's always tough to make the step up to the premier league che has proven that but one things clear he was not ready to be an immediate replacement for ings.  I really hope he can come good next season but how does that help us this season? he needs more game time in preparation for when broja leaves but at the same time he is not first choice or even second choice at the moment. 

[Saint Garrett]

He works hard, and he's quick, but thats about it. So wasteful when he gets chances, and just overall is not that good unfortunately. 

Really hope he can improve next season, or this one could easily start looking like a dud.

[Toadhall Saint]

34 minutes ago, Mr X said:

Armstrong is nearly 25 and at 20 Broja already has everything armstrong has and more.  I'm not going to write him off but its not looking good  the last few appearances i haven't noticed he's on the pitch, it's always tough to make the step up to the premier league che has proven that but one things clear he was not ready to be an immediate replacement for ings.  I really hope he can come good next season but how does that help us this season? he needs more game time in preparation for when broja leaves but at the same time he is not first choice or even second choice at the moment. 

Perhaps you haven’t noticed him because he was a sub and at Swansea spent most of his time defending & Brentford was on the pitch for about 5 minutes? Broja was given a 5 year contract by Chelsea for a reason - anyone with one eye or more can see Broja attributes. Very unfair to compare the two.

[Teddeer]

1 hour ago, Mr X said:

Armstrong is nearly 25 and at 20 Broja already has everything armstrong has and more.  I'm not going to write him off but its not looking good  the last few appearances i haven't noticed he's on the pitch, it's always tough to make the step up to the premier league che has proven that but one things clear he was not ready to be an immediate replacement for ings.  I really hope he can come good next season but how does that help us this season? he needs more game time in preparation for when broja leaves but at the same time he is not first choice or even second choice at the moment. 

Think he's only 2 behind Ings in Prem goalscoring stats? Imagine what'll happen if he suddenly catches fire 🙂

[Nemi]

Only got another 10 mins today but how easy is he to marshal off the ball. 
 

Neither Ings or Adams were terrible in the first season - they weren’t as good but they both showed they’re capable. Armstrong meanwhile shown literally nothing about him whatsoever, it’s so clear he is out of his depth.

Some can step up, some can’t - that’s just how it goes and Armstrong is a Championship level player, no more.

[SuperSAINT]

 

[Toadhall Saint]

18 minutes ago, SuperSAINT said:

 

Mad - I firmly believe given a run of games and the right service he will come good.

[Turkish]

21 minutes ago, SuperSAINT said:

 

I guess he couldn't say himself

[revolution saint]

2 minutes ago, Turkish said:

I guess he couldn't say himself

Why not?  it's not a particularly tricky word to pronounce even for a slough born Albanian.

[SaintTex]

6 minutes ago, revolution saint said:

Why not?  it's not a particularly tricky word to pronounce even for a slough born Albanian.

tricky enough apparently... Broi-sha or Broi-ya ?

[Mr X]

Just needs more time & not given enough chances? Or not suited to the premier league? 

[Convict Colony]

think he needs our team to be able to create chances before we can judge

[Saint Billy]

Unfortunately when you are playing for a crap side........., but, he has missed alot of good opportunities that could have made a difference for both the team and him. 

[SuperSAINT]

34 minutes ago, Convict Colony said:

think he needs our team to be able to create chances before we can judge

This is true.  Interested to see how this plays out.

We know there’s going to be a mini striker exodus this summer.  I wonder how bad the rumoured fallout has been with Ralph?

[Noodles34]

Is his contract long enough for our championship return, he’d be alright the. 

[Pilchards]

The problem with Armstrong is he struggles to create shooting space for himself.

Constantly hits the first defender and he needs to learn to side step with acceleration, Good strikers have it.

[Streaky]

Any striker will struggle to score in this team right now. So defensive its unreal. He started well at Everton and 1st quarter of season didn't look out of place. I imagine we weren't expecting to get Broja and that impacted on Armstrongs game time. 

Then the fallout with Ralph happened and that was that. Personally I think he can do it at this level and we can't afford to cut our losses anyway. 

[Saint Fan CaM]

Don’t think he has it. Doesn’t have the movement and anticipation to operate at Prem level, plus he’s not got the physical attributes to mix it up with big CB’s which at least Che has. I’d say he’s worse than Long when Long was on his game. We need someone better than Che to ensure survival next season IMO.

[Baird of the land]

I still he's got potential to be good at this level. His actual finishing has been pretty good. Guess the question is whether he wants to hang around for a 2nd season.

[Mr X]

33 minutes ago, Baird of the land said:

I still he's got potential to be good at this level. His actual finishing has been pretty good. Guess the question is whether he wants to hang around for a 2nd season.

How has his finishing been pretty good? Two goals since he's been here both at the start of season & missed plenty of sitters

[david in sweden]

6 minutes ago, Mr X said:

How has his finishing been pretty good? Two goals since he's been here both at the start of season & missed plenty of sitters

......well  he's not alone in at area -  is he ?  

[Baird of the land]

10 minutes ago, Mr X said:

How has his finishing been pretty good? Two goals since he's been here both at the start of season & missed plenty of sitters

Both his goals were quality finishes, his offside one against Brentford was a proper finish too.

Don't remember any sitters he's missed unlike say adams(who is the opposite offers a lot else but his finishing is rather poor). There's been half chances he could have done better with.

 

[AlexLaw76]

2 minutes ago, Baird of the land said:

Both his goals were quality finishes, his offside one against Brentford was a proper finish too.

Don't remember any sitters he's missed unlike say adams(who is the opposite offers a lot else but his finishing is rather poor). There's been half chances he could have done better with.

 

He has missed a couple of easy chances. Man united at home springs to mind

[Holmes_and_Watson]

2 hours ago, SuperSAINT said:

We know there’s going to be a mini striker exodus this summer.  I wonder how bad the rumoured fallout has been with Ralph?

I read here that Ralph criticised AAs lack of height at defending corners as an issue, so it could well be a mini striker exodus. 🙂

From what I've seen he can have an instinctive shot, and wasn't shy of taking it. But I've not seen enough to tell if he can create chances for himself at this level.

If not, we'd have to create the opportunities he's more capable of scoring. Then it becomes a tactical issue, that you'd have hoped our recruitment team would have noted before we signed him.

I'll need to look at how he scored for his last club. Perhaps it's not the best fit. But perhaps, we can do better as a team to get the most from him. Which would apply to all our strikers.

[S-Clarke]

He just seems a little bit too weak for me, lacks physicality.

The Watford away game stands out for me, he was very busy and 'alive' but he missed at least two absolute sitters which almost cost us. Seems to need lots of chances to score a goal, same as Adams sadly. (although Adams physicality helps him)

[skintsaint]

AA I think can be a decent top level forward, but in and out the team doesn't help anyone. Also the way we play/set up, I reckon Lewandowski up front  would struggle to get more than 10 league goals from open play. We just don't create enough clear goal scoring chances due to our laboured same old same old approach.

Edited 20 May, 2022 by skintsaint

[tajjuk]

Broja has scored 1 in his last 15, I don't think the team particularly has helped. The no.10s don't create enough, our most creative player is our cente-mid because he takes set pieces, something Armstrong doesn't benefit from.

He's only had 16 games, which have been very stop starty, and had more chances recently when the team as a whole has been awful. 

I'd personally not write him off yet. 

But we need another striker anyway because we are losing Broja, losing Long and Che has the same issue, he goes through periods of just not scoring. 

[Neef]

He seems to be a poacher, which means that when he's not scoring he's not contributing much to the overall team. 

We've seen with Adams that when he wasn't scoring he was effective in different parts of the game - holding the ball up, physicality in the press (two of AA's goals have come as a result of this), running the channels. Almost playing as a 2nd striker. 

Ings - not much needs to be said. Was technically very gifted.

Broja - As frustrating as he is, you can see he has other gifts to play off. That combination of physical presence and pace is rare.

With AA it's tough as the main, and maybe only real attribute he brings is goalscoring. And when that seemingly isn't working out at this level so far, it's worrying. But hopefully he'll adapt. Premier League is a massive step up, and as mentioned he hasn't been playing in a great side. 

[Turkish]

1 hour ago, Holmes_and_Watson said:

I read here that Ralph criticised AAs lack of height at defending corners as an issue, so it could well be a mini striker exodus. 🙂

From what I've seen he can have an instinctive shot, and wasn't shy of taking it. But I've not seen enough to tell if he can create chances for himself at this level.

If not, we'd have to create the opportunities he's more capable of scoring. Then it becomes a tactical issue, that you'd have hoped our recruitment team would have noted before we signed him.

I'll need to look at how he scored for his last club. Perhaps it's not the best fit. But perhaps, we can do better as a team to get the most from him. Which would apply to all our strikers.

ridiclous if true, unless he's shrunk since we signed him

Edited 20 May, 2022 by Turkish

[Tank]

combinations are a key factor, looks to me as soon as a good combination is successful it gets broken up. AA works hard, he just ain't scoring goals.

[Mr X]

As he was marketed as ings replacement guess it makes sense to compare stats? Seems the club knew we had had the best out of ings?  

[igsey]

Shane Long v0.1. How we have managed to downgrade there beggars belief really.

[Convict Colony]

1 hour ago, Turkish said:

ridiclous if true, unless he's shrunk since we signed him

especially ridiculous if we expect him to be back in our box defending corners - he should be left up the field ready to counter

[Holmes_and_Watson]

18 minutes ago, Convict Colony said:

especially ridiculous if we expect him to be back in our box defending corners - he should be left up the field ready to counter

You'd think so, but RalphBall looks to optimise some strange things. See Salisu long throws.

[Saint Garrett]

He's awful, mixed with a combination of losing his place in the team and never really regaining it. He's the most wasteful striker I've ever seen. Doesn't read the game very well, isn't a threat in the box which is why when he plays he's never in it. He's nowhere near good enough to play in this league and probably won't ever be.

Wouldn't surprise me if we try and shift him this summer, and we should IMO.

[david in sweden]

On 20/05/2022 at 10:23, AlexLaw76 said:

He has missed a couple of easy chances. Man united at home springs to mind

...but not as many as Shane Long .    Pretty sure that SL holds the club record in that area.

[HKsaint]

https://c.newsnow.co.uk/A/1140240011?-11205:798:tt_central_top#out

Totally agree. We do not play to his strength unless we change our current strategy. 

[benali-shorts]

6 minutes ago, HKsaint said:

https://c.newsnow.co.uk/A/1140240011?-11205:798:tt_central_top#out

Totally agree. We do not play to his strength unless we change our current strategy. 

Agreed as well. The vision and quality of incisive passing from our attacking midfielders is very poor. 

[AlexLaw76]

Why the hell did we sign him, when we clearly cannot play to his strengths?

I thought we were supposed to be a well run club, post Les Reed et al?

[Toadhall Saint]

2 hours ago, benali-shorts said:

Agreed as well. The vision and quality of incisive passing from our attacking midfielders is very poor. 

Been like that since Tadic left. The amount of times Broja’s runs went unnoticed last season was shameful 

[Saint Garrett]

2 hours ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Why the hell did we sign him, when we clearly cannot play to his strengths?

I thought we were supposed to be a well run club, post Les Reed et al?

Maybe they thought they saw some raw attributes in him, and expected him to be able to adapt slightly. Not like we're suddenly playing long ball football and crossing it in for him. Ings didn't struggle, but he also was miles better than Adam Armstrong. Fact is he's nowhere near good enough in this league.

[LGTL]

Probably worth keeping now as he’ll be great in the Championship for us next season.