Armando Broja

[Matthew Le God]

2 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Jesus Christ!

What exactly is your issue with my post?

[farawaysaint]

8 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

What exactly is your issue with my post?

I think the implication is that European cup football is vastly different to a standard league season.

This is something I would completely agree with given our wonderfully abortive European campaigns. It is a totally different ball game.

Edited 15 February, 2022 by farawaysaint

[Matthew Le God]

2 minutes ago, farawaysaint said:

I think the implication is that European cup football is vastly different to a standard league season.

Two games vs each of the top 6 is tougher than any Champions League group.

[farawaysaint]

30 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

Two games vs each of the top 6 is tougher than any Champions League group.

It is not about toughness it is about exposing the player to the full expectation of what would be required of him as a top 4 forward. 

If you cannot see how a trip to Burnley is different to a cup game away at Besiktas from an experience perspective, with the greatest respect you are wrong. 

Edited 15 February, 2022 by farawaysaint

[Saint86]

Bayern and Dortmund now looking at him - Dortmund will certainly offer him game time given their track reckon and need for a Haaland replacement.

Looks more and more unlikely that we'll see him in a saints shirt after this season sadly.

Plus side - We'll sign someone else to excite the fans i guess - and Broja can only have increased our appeal in that regard.

[Lee On Solent Saint]

1 hour ago, farawaysaint said:

I think the implication is that European cup football is vastly different to a standard league season.

This is something I would completely agree with given our wonderfully abortive European campaigns. It is a totally different ball game.

That's exactly my point. The league's that I mentioned haven't got much of a drop in quality to the Premier League,so the weekly standard of quality wouldn't be that different. Would have thought Chelsea would look at a loan to a team that had a realistic chance of qualifying for the last sixteen as a minimum. 

[notnowcato]

1 hour ago, Saint86 said:

Bayern and Dortmund now looking at him - Dortmund will certainly offer him game time given their track reckon and need for a Haaland replacement.

Looks more and more unlikely that we'll see him in a saints shirt after this season sadly.

Plus side - We'll sign someone else to excite the fans i guess - and Broja can only have increased our appeal in that regard.

According to the BBC…

[S-Clarke]

5 hours ago, DT said:

We need to plan for life without him, which means getting a good loan back from Chelsea or spending some (fairly serious) dosh elsewhere because not sure Adam Armstrong is quite the solution

I'm fairly sure the club are all over that. 

When we were fearing that Ings would go I imagine we all thought the same, who can we get without spending serious money etc etc. I was worried as I thought Ings goals kept our heads above in the last few seasons. But our scouting was sharp enough to identify someone like Broja, who not only provides more competition, but actually evolved our entire game and has made us more threatening. We're more of a threat with Broja than Ings, and I never thought I'd say that.

So basically, trust the scouting and trust the club. If Broja doesn't stick around next year then I'm sure we have many options that won't require us having to spend stupid money.

[captainchris]

2 hours ago, farawaysaint said:

It is not about toughness it is about exposing the player to the full expectation of what would be required of him as a top 4 forward. 

If you cannot see how a trip to Burnley is different to a cup game away at Besiktas from an experience perspective, with the greatest respect you are wrong. 

Tosh

[Golac's Cunning Stunts]

14 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

I'm fairly sure the club are all over that. 

When we were fearing that Ings would go I imagine we all thought the same, who can we get without spending serious money etc etc. I was worried as I thought Ings goals kept our heads above in the last few seasons. But our scouting was sharp enough to identify someone like Broja, who not only provides more competition, but actually evolved our entire game and has made us more threatening. We're more of a threat with Broja than Ings, and I never thought I'd say that.

So basically, trust the scouting and trust the club. If Broja doesn't stick around next year then I'm sure we have many options that won't require us having to spend stupid money.

I get that things are working out well now with Broja. However, he is a one season loan deal. Our scouting identified Armstrong as the permanent replacement for Ings and that is not going well. Armstrong may still adapt and we may (probably were) forced into the choice through lack of funds. To say trust the club on finding a replacement is a bit too rosy picture for me.

[Dellman]

4 minutes ago, Golac's Cunning Stunts said:

I get that things are working out well now with Broja. However, he is a one season loan deal. Our scouting identified Armstrong as the permanent replacement for Ings and that is not going well. Armstrong may still adapt and we may (probably were) forced into the choice through lack of funds. To say trust the club on finding a replacement is a bit too rosy picture for me.

Well, what reasonable suggestion have you to make?

[CB Fry]

11 minutes ago, Golac's Cunning Stunts said:

I get that things are working out well now with Broja. However, he is a one season loan deal. Our scouting identified Armstrong as the permanent replacement for Ings and that is not going well. Armstrong may still adapt and we may (probably were) forced into the choice through lack of funds. To say trust the club on finding a replacement is a bit too rosy picture for me.

I don't understand why we can't be like every other club and only sign guaranteed brilliant players.

[Golac's Cunning Stunts]

9 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

I don't understand why we can't be like every other club and only sign guaranteed brilliant players.

You love your sarcasm don't you. To try and be clearer, the post I was replying to paints a really rosy picture of our ability to source a top quality striker. I am disagreeing with that picture. Fully understand all clubs will buy a dud at some stage. And I hope we will find a good solution especially with the takeover potentially adding some funds and some extra brainpower. 

[S-Clarke]

32 minutes ago, Golac's Cunning Stunts said:

I get that things are working out well now with Broja. However, he is a one season loan deal. Our scouting identified Armstrong as the permanent replacement for Ings and that is not going well. Armstrong may still adapt and we may (probably were) forced into the choice through lack of funds. To say trust the club on finding a replacement is a bit too rosy picture for me.

I'm not convinced by Armstrong at all but you still never know....I don't believe the club have given up on him and so they shouldn't. Jury is certainly out and he's not shown much but he deserves a decent crack.

You have hits and misses though, it's part of football. I'm fairly confident that we'll have far more hits than misses going forward though, we genuinely seem to know what we're doing. Not painting a rosy picture based on nothing, just look at the likes of Perraud, Salisu, KWP, Broja, Tino, Diallo, Adams....not bad. When you compare it to previous efforts with Hoedt, Vestergaard, Carillo, Lemina, Boufal etc I'd say that is enough grounds to be optimistic about as this new lot (Martyn and Matt) seem to know what they're doing.

[CB Fry]

23 minutes ago, Golac's Cunning Stunts said:

You love your sarcasm don't you. To try and be clearer, the post I was replying to paints a really rosy picture of our ability to source a top quality striker. I am disagreeing with that picture. Fully understand all clubs will buy a dud at some stage. And I hope we will find a good solution especially with the takeover potentially adding some funds and some extra brainpower. 

Except in the last couple of years we've shown ourselves to be really rather good at recruiting.

To be honest I am not sure how we could be any better than we've been.

So the picture is as rosy as anyone could reasonably expect.

Without sarcasm I have absolutely no idea what you are expecting.

[nta786]

I think lots of people have ignored the fact that Broja will be exposed to European football next season when we win the FA Cup  

Edited 15 February, 2022 by nta786

[SaintTex]

if you recall there was a lot of panic last summer about Ings leaving (not to mention the team's last half season performance).

Last summer transfer strategy was all about staying up this year - get through this year. Part of that strategy was the 1 year insurance policy we took out on Broja.

If it worked (and it did), Broja's stay was likely going to be short.

Also, that move bought the club valuable time (a whole year) to scout for something more permanent, in case AArmstrong was not the answer. And so far, it appears he is not.

[Manuel]

He shows the ability and aggression we've been missing up front an he's proven can work with our set up.  If breaking the bank will seal a deal for him, I think we should do it, rather than throw the dice again.  

[Warriorsaint]

Too good for us already. Any of the European superclubs will throw money at him. Even if he is a support act. Its so obvious he is a class above. I reckon hes going to be one of the great ones.

 I know Harry Maguire isnt great but hes England Captain and made him look a carthorse all game.

[notnowcato]

20 minutes ago, Warriorsaint said:

 I know Harry Maguire isnt great but hes England Captain and made him look a carthorse all game.

I think you’re mixing your Harrys. Most premier league strikers make Maguire look like a cart horse. 

[Chez]

5 hours ago, S-Clarke said:

I'm fairly sure the club are all over that. 

When we were fearing that Ings would go I imagine we all thought the same, who can we get without spending serious money etc etc. I was worried as I thought Ings goals kept our heads above in the last few seasons. But our scouting was sharp enough to identify someone like Broja, who not only provides more competition, but actually evolved our entire game and has made us more threatening. We're more of a threat with Broja than Ings, and I never thought I'd say that.

So basically, trust the scouting and trust the club. If Broja doesn't stick around next year then I'm sure we have many options that won't require us having to spend stupid money.

why didn't we sign them instead of AA then? Don't answer that. AA may become the answer himself. What I mean is though, despite the success of the scouting in recent times, there is no guarantee Broja's replacement will work out as well. Best to take advantage of him and win the FA cup this season. Let's get a trophy.

 

 

[Chez]

3 hours ago, nta786 said:

I think lots of people have ignored the fact that Broja will be exposed to European football next season when we win the FA Cup  

thats the spirit. We can beat anyone in this form. These chances (being a Prem side, playjng well, avoiding the biggest sides) don't come round very often...

Let's not imagine ourselves as being better next year. Let's win now.

[Lighthouse]

6 minutes ago, Chez said:

why didn't we sign them instead of AA then? Don't answer that. AA may become the answer himself. What I mean is though, despite the success of the scouting in recent times, there is no guarantee Broja's replacement will work out as well. Best to take advantage of him and win the FA cup this season. Let's get a trophy.

The flip side of that is that we should be on the lookout for replacements for the likes of Long, Stephens and Forster who wouldn’t have to go far to be an improvement. Possibly the same goes for the likes of Walcott and Djenepo if we can move them on.

[Turkish]

10 minutes ago, Chez said:

why didn't we sign them instead of AA then? Don't answer that. AA may become the answer himself. What I mean is though, despite the success of the scouting in recent times, there is no guarantee Broja's replacement will work out as well. Best to take advantage of him and win the FA cup this season. Let's get a trophy.

 

 

Knowing our luck we’ll get Chelsea in the final and he’ll be ineligible 

[Chez]

Just now, Lighthouse said:

The flip side of that is that we should be on the lookout for replacements for the likes of Long, Stephens and Forster who wouldn’t have to go far to be an improvement. Possibly the same goes for the likes of Walcott and Djenepo if we can move them on.

Fair point. Nice to acquire new talent from a position of strength too. Although some of those might be here next season...

[Chez]

2 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Knowing our luck we’ll get Chelsea in the final and he’ll be ineligible 

jesus. How f**king annoying would that be.

[Ivan Katalinic's 'tache]

10 hours ago, Turkish said:

Knowing our luck we’ll get Chelsea in the final and he’ll be ineligible 

 

10 hours ago, Chez said:

jesus. How f**king annoying would that be.

Would he legitimately be allowed to wear one of those horrendous half and half scarves to the game though?

[angelman]

18 hours ago, farawaysaint said:

It is not about toughness it is about exposing the player to the full expectation of what would be required of him as a top 4 forward. 

If you cannot see how a trip to Burnley is different to a cup game away at Besiktas from an experience perspective, with the greatest respect you are wrong. 

Do you think he gets that when he plays for Albania?

[AlexLaw76]

7 hours ago, angelman said:

Do you think he gets that when he plays for Albania?

Not particularly IMO 

[Dark Munster]

22 hours ago, Chez said:

jesus. How f**king annoying would that be.

An absolute nightmare. If we're in the semi-final with Chelsea waiting in the final, let's pray we lose to avoid that happening.

[VectisSaint]

22 hours ago, Turkish said:

Knowing our luck we’ll get Chelsea in the final and he’ll be ineligible 

Not certain that there is the same rule prohibiting season long loan players playing against their host club in the FA Cup as in the PL. Short term loans have to get permission of their host club to play any game in the FA Cup, but this permission is not needed for season=long loans (i.e. Broja). From what I can see he is actually eligible to play against Chelsea in the Cup, but there maybe a clause in his loan agreement that says otherwise. I guess we won't know unless it actually happens.

https://footballhandbook.com/can-loan-players-play-against-their-parent-club/#Can_loan_players_play_in_the_FA_Cup

Edited 16 February, 2022 by VectisSaint
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[Saint Keef]

Yeah, let's just assume he was allowed to play for us against Chelsea in the FA Cup Semi Final....or indeed the Final, the pressure on him NOT to score would perhaps be too great. Can you imagine it if he scored the winner for us in the Final and the following week had to return to Chelsea as his loan period was over.  "Ah welcome back Armanda, Mr Abramovich would like to see you in his office". Ain't gonna happen.

[david in sweden]

Historically, our  " loan " deals have often been short-term affairs to cover injuries,etc. whereas this is a totally new situation.

Not only has  Broja already established himself as a first-choice striker, but the usual loan / option to buy / isn't ours to utilise.

The net. result being that (apparently) half of the other Prem. clubs want to buy him from Chelsea in the summer. 

Clearly, many " rich clubs " would think nothing of paying £40-50 million or more,  a price that is clearly - out of our range.

Chelsea are stuck between a rock and a hard place. If they take him back - and keep him - they must play him, but having forked out

a couple hundred £ mill. for Havertz, Werner and Lukaku - they would need to justify a move that would probably see him on their

bench - instead of playing  90 mins. on a regular basis with us and gaining even more Prem. experience. 

 

Given that Chelsea wouldn't sell to a rival top 6 club, a  further season's loan to Saints would seems to be their best option.

alternatively  that we might buy him - at a more reasonable fee - and Chelsea retain a  "buy-back"  /or/  hefty "sell on" clause. 

ATM...The whole issue is purely academic,  as he's "our" player until the end of the season, after which .....we can live in hope. 

[Dark Munster]

Armando celebrating Long's goal ....  #OneOfUs

[The Kraken]

Jan Valery’s moustache doesn’t get better with repeated viewing. He should take Broja’s lead.

[Turkish]

On 10/02/2022 at 15:14, Turkish said:

Another shit show from the Albanian Jordan Rhodes. Missed 3 sitters, collapsed on the floor like baby when someone finally actually put a challenge in on him. It's alright strutting around thinking you're gods gift when no defenders are near you but toughen up man FFS. Finally managed to score a tap in my nan couldn't miss and celebrated like he'd just scored to winner in a world cup final. The more he plays the more his many weaknesses are being exposed. Poor finisher, weak, crap in the air, deceptively slow, he was so bad i was pleased when Shane Long came on. 

Called it last week and I’m right again. Wake up people, this guy is a fraud. He looks good because he’s in a great team playing for a great manager. Take him out of us and he goes back to being some Albanian kid from slough on no ones radar 

[Turkish]

38 minutes ago, The Kraken said:

Jan Valery’s moustache doesn’t get better with repeated viewing. He should take Broja’s lead.

He looks ridiculous. Either go proper beard or clean shaven moustaches are for Swedish porn films and westerns 

[Disco Stu]

1 hour ago, Turkish said:

Called it last week and I’m right again. Wake up people, this guy is a fraud. He looks good because he’s in a great team playing for a great manager. Take him out of us and he goes back to being some Albanian kid from slough on no ones radar 

Fraud? Aren't you being a bit harsh on our 20 year old top goal scorer? We know he's not the finished article, that's why we have him. He has immense talent but he won't produce a top performance every week at his age.

Edited 20 February, 2022 by Disco Stu

[The Kraken]

Whoosh

[Disco Stu]

48 minutes ago, The Kraken said:

Whoosh

I assume he was trolling? Fooled me! I just took it at face value. In my defense, I only saw someone reiterating points on their previous comment so didn't see any context.

Edited 20 February, 2022 by Disco Stu

[Dman]

1 hour ago, Turkish said:

Called it last week and I’m right again. Wake up people, this guy is a fraud. He looks good because he’s in a great team playing for a great manager. Take him out of us and he goes back to being some Albanian kid from slough on no ones radar 

Twar hacked your account? 

[Turkish]

4 minutes ago, Dman said:

Twar hacked your account? 

I don’t see any mention of stats or brash claims that the club is run by people like me, so no.

[SaintTex]

3 hours ago, Dark Munster said:

Armando celebrating Long's goal ....  #OneOfUs

This screen cap is ridiculously unfair -implying that somehow he was upset because Shane Long scored. Anyone who was watching saw he was brushing his fingers through his hair. 

[TWar]

2 hours ago, Turkish said:

I don’t see any mention of stats or brash claims that the club is run by people like me, so no.

How is it brash to claim the club is run by pro-Ralph people like me? It objectively is or we would have gotten rid of Ralph. Lucky it is and we didn't really.

[rooney]

Enjoy watching him play as he is such a strong player. He is naturally greedy, being a striker, but needs to look up sometimes as yesterday, there were at least two occasions when Saints players were unmarked, when he went for goal.

[Chez]

2 hours ago, rooney said:

Enjoy watching him play as he is such a strong player. He is naturally greedy, being a striker, but needs to look up sometimes as yesterday, there were at least two occasions when Saints players were unmarked, when he went for goal.

Easy to say 'get you head up' from the stand, but harder to do when you are dribbling at full pelt in the final third and your focus is on making space for a shot. 

Also, when you pass in the box there is a chance it is cut out, poorly weighted or inaccurate. The number of times strikers make the right decision, and make that square pass, but the execution is poor...

Is his passing any good? If not, he's better off being greedy.

[TWar]

7 minutes ago, Chez said:

Easy to say 'get you head up' from the stand, but harder to do when you are dribbling at full pelt in the final third and your focus is on making space for a shot. 

Also, when you pass in the box there is a chance it is cut out, poorly weighted or inaccurate. The number of times strikers make the right decision, and make that square pass, but the execution is poor...

Is his passing any good? If not, he's better off being greedy.

That's why we pay them the big bucks!

To be honest, his situational awareness for team mates and passing are definitely two weak points. He had two opportunities to square it today where he should have and one against united. Also, when he did attempt to put Elyounoussi through on goal he overhit the pass and it went straight to the defender at one point yesterday.

He is a class player and has a lot of quality but his chance creation stats for others are still very low. It's why he probably wouldn't get on so well at an Arsenal or a Chelsea who need their forwards to be a bit more well rounded and involved in other aspects of the game. Works perfectly well for us though if we build around him and put him next to a great striker for passing and setting him up.

What I'm saying is, he should stay with us.

[Chez]

1 minute ago, TWar said:

Also, when he did attempt to put Elyounoussi through on goal he overhit the pass and it went straight to the defender at one point yesterday.

That's my point. If you ain't great at teeing others up, just shoot. Be selfish.

[TWar]

Just now, Chez said:

That's my point. If you ain't great at teeing others up, just shoot. Be selfish.

I think he does need to improve at teeing others up. If other teams cottoned on to the fact they can leave players completely unmarked in the box and just focus on stopping Broja from shooting then he would be a great deal less effective. Also, that pass he over hit it was harder to pull off than the cutbacks he didn't even attempt imo.

[John Boy Saint]

4 minutes ago, Chez said:

Easy to say 'get you head up' from the stand, but harder to do when you are dribbling at full pelt in the final third and your focus is on making space for a shot. 

Also, when you pass in the box there is a chance it is cut out, poorly weighted or inaccurate. The number of times strikers make the right decision, and make that square pass, but the execution is poor...

Is his passing any good? If not, he's better off being greedy.

Well it’s  going to need to get better - because if it doesn’t he will just sit on the bench at Chelsea they won’t tolerate it.

You can see others in the team calling him on it with us - any idiot can run into the box at pace but it’s no bloody good to the team if it’s into a cul de sac with the only way out only being possible once in a while. So you bag 10 goals for yourself “look at me”  but if you got your head up and made the pass you would still have your 10 but the team could have 10-20 more.

Trouble is the lad is still a nipper, and a lot of people are talking about him and with all the noise in his ears he needs to learn.