Saint NL Posted 16 February, 2022 Share Posted 16 February, 2022 https://theathletic.com/3128906/2022/02/16/southampton-medical-checks-gels-and-team-talks-between-60th-70th-minute-coincidence-or-plan/?source=emp_shared_article Is not against the rules, but it does looks like it's a planned thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 16 February, 2022 Share Posted 16 February, 2022 Well... let's not pretend Saints are alone using such a tactic...if indeed they do. Fans will recall the notorious home game v. Wolves in September '21.... (we lost 0-1 despite having more possession and more shots 18-5). In the last 30 minutes, Wolves players were dropping like flies (the game ran to 97 minutes) and what had been a big Saints superiority was disturbed by successive stoppages. The other point .... (naturally enough)... is not everyone can run for 45+ minutes without a break, and not every club has a Ward-Prowse, who never seems to stop and regularly clocks up more distance than the rest of " the Prem. World." Not everyone is a robot, and some can't run at all. I see no reason why ...a 60 second " water break / Covid pause ... (call it what you will) couldn't be incorporated into the playing time and used as a time for subs. to come on en masse.. instead of the continual stop / starts every few minutes which interrupts the flow of play. IF.. this " accusation " proves to be correct, will we see Referees being told to book players for feigning injury, along with time-wasting and "diving " in the penalty area.? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chocolate Box Posted 16 February, 2022 Share Posted 16 February, 2022 2 hours ago, Saint NL said: https://theathletic.com/3128906/2022/02/16/southampton-medical-checks-gels-and-team-talks-between-60th-70th-minute-coincidence-or-plan/?source=emp_shared_article Is not against the rules, but it does looks like it's a planned thing. We've been rumbled Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddeer Posted 16 February, 2022 Share Posted 16 February, 2022 As if we are the only club that does this! Also, if this gives us a time to take on gel/water and have a tactical pow-wow then the opponents could do the same. Ridiculous article. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintsLoyal Posted 16 February, 2022 Share Posted 16 February, 2022 (edited) pompey born Sheldon Edited 16 February, 2022 by SaintsLoyal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwbu Posted 16 February, 2022 Share Posted 16 February, 2022 I can’t imagine it’s as much of a secret as we think it is, I think a commentator referenced it during a game not too long ago as something he’d noticed. However, it does seem a bit of a weird thing for a Saints reporter to write about, given it’s quite clearly a tactic rather than coincidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 16 February, 2022 Share Posted 16 February, 2022 And they have only just realised - Christ trigger and his broom were into us long ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maysie Posted 16 February, 2022 Share Posted 16 February, 2022 4 hours ago, Saint NL said: https://theathletic.com/3128906/2022/02/16/southampton-medical-checks-gels-and-team-talks-between-60th-70th-minute-coincidence-or-plan/?source=emp_shared_article Is not against the rules, but it does looks like it's a planned thing. Its a vaguely interesting concept, but god was that a dull read Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 16 February, 2022 Share Posted 16 February, 2022 I remember Leeds doing something under Revie. If the other team was having a good spell then someone would go down 'injured' in order to give themselves a breathing space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rooney Posted 16 February, 2022 Share Posted 16 February, 2022 I can remember Freddie Cox leaving the grass to grow longer on the wings, years ago so that Nelson Stifle and Olly "Jumping Dervish" Norris could take advantage of this. It is all in the mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint lard Posted 16 February, 2022 Share Posted 16 February, 2022 I’m amazed it taken so many,so long, to work this out. it’s been obvious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Convict Colony Posted 16 February, 2022 Share Posted 16 February, 2022 Am pretty sure Tom Leach or someone else flagged this earlier last year as I've known about it for ages so bit of a rehash from Sheldon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 16 February, 2022 Share Posted 16 February, 2022 Was called out here weeks ago. Annoying that the athletic have grassed it up though. Although I’m sure other clubs didn’t miss the fact the players were taking in gels etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dman Posted 16 February, 2022 Share Posted 16 February, 2022 45 minutes ago, Turkish said: Was called out here weeks ago. Annoying that the athletic have grassed it up though. Although I’m sure other clubs didn’t miss the fact the players were taking in gels etc. I thought this, I bet the club are absolutely delighted that Sheldon keeps banging on about it. The trouble is, Sheldon is a bit of a dud and his content is pretty average, so a little scoop like this I’ve no doubt is his Crown Jewels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 16 February, 2022 Share Posted 16 February, 2022 We're clearly not the only team who do things like this, you've got to use whatever competitive advantage you can get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stknowle Posted 16 February, 2022 Share Posted 16 February, 2022 5 hours ago, maysie said: Its a vaguely interesting concept, but god was that a dull read Yeah, I feel distinctly uncompelled (sic) to unlock The Athletic for just £1 a month after reading the first few paragraphs of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintsLoyal Posted 16 February, 2022 Share Posted 16 February, 2022 I dont know who runs the media at Saints these days but this Sheldon fella isnt doing us any favours with this sort of stuff. Im amazed hes got the brass after the whole Ted Bates statue non story, which deeply upset his family. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarvSFC Posted 16 February, 2022 Share Posted 16 February, 2022 The magic sponge/spray didn’t gain its title because it’s actually magic… This isn’t a revolutionary thing and I could write the same article about the other 19 Premier League clubs and feigning injuries. We see it every week as fans and always have done in the modern game. We’ve just been taken over… Surely there’s something more interesting to write about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manji Posted 16 February, 2022 Share Posted 16 February, 2022 Wolves are the biggest shithousers par excellence. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 17 February, 2022 Share Posted 17 February, 2022 (edited) Does the article actually delve into the circumstances for each player who went down? How many for example of the 14 were impact injuries caused by opponents? Without that information it is pretty meaningless to take too much out of the article. Edited 17 February, 2022 by Matthew Le God 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notnowcato Posted 17 February, 2022 Share Posted 17 February, 2022 21 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said: Does the article actually delve into the circumstances for each player who went down? How many of the 14 were impact injuries from opponents? What do you mean exactly by impact injuries? Can we objectively define if the impact is sufficient for the need of medical attention? How certain are we that the player is not already managing an injury that the impact was on and if so, what is the scale of that injury and what value of impact is required for it to then require medical attention? With that in mind, if the answer is 10 how the f**k does that help you, exactly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 17 February, 2022 Share Posted 17 February, 2022 (edited) 2 minutes ago, notnowcato said: What do you mean exactly by impact injuries? An injury caused by the opponent and therefore less likely to be Saints playing for a break and a chat between 60 and 70 mins. Edited 17 February, 2022 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notnowcato Posted 17 February, 2022 Share Posted 17 February, 2022 2 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said: An injury caused by the opponent and therefore less likely to be Saints playing for a break and a chat between 60 and 70 mins. No analysis is required here. I appreciate subjectivity is your idea of hell but it's all around us or so I believe. It's clearly a tactic, we are not alone in applying it. Klippety and others have been doing it for ages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 17 February, 2022 Share Posted 17 February, 2022 1 minute ago, notnowcato said: No analysis is required here. I appreciate subjectivity is your idea of hell but it's all around us or so I believe. It's clearly a tactic, we are not alone in applying it. Klippety and others have been doing it for ages. Which has also been acknowledged by Frank Lampard in his press conference today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rallyboy Posted 17 February, 2022 Share Posted 17 February, 2022 I was amused against Man City when the only breathers we got were for VAR checks to see if we'd done anything wrong. We badly needed to break their momentum and it was better than any gel or injury break. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Bates Posted 17 February, 2022 Share Posted 17 February, 2022 The FA to keep tabs on the situation https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/frank-lampard-southampton-everton-tactic-26259398 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevy777_x Posted 17 February, 2022 Share Posted 17 February, 2022 Thanks a lot Dan f**king Sheldon for bringing this up. How about you find more interesting topics to talk about? 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarvSFC Posted 17 February, 2022 Share Posted 17 February, 2022 Why hasn't the FA kept tabs on this? Has far more influence on a match than our little one minute breaks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Village Saint Posted 17 February, 2022 Share Posted 17 February, 2022 I cant imagine why the FA would be interested in our scientifically informed use of gel packs etc. other than perhaps to guide other clubs at various levels in the pyramid on best practice. The FA has no role in the way clubs in the Premier League behave other than when they have to deal with disciplinary issues brought to their attention by match officials. As you say they should concentrate on their actual role - such as dealing with the mobbing of referees and the constant whining to refs. Those are disciplinary issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintTex Posted 17 February, 2022 Share Posted 17 February, 2022 don't even need to go to the sideline.. just safety pin a few to your kit and take one during any short stoppage in play. an old marathoner's trick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nordic Saint Posted 17 February, 2022 Share Posted 17 February, 2022 (edited) Portsmouth's finest reporter on Saints, Dan Sheldon, has had the effect he wanted with his article in The Athletic. He's also circulated it to a lot of national newspapers. Was it also him who spread the recent stories about Ted Bates' statue? "Frank Lampard comments on controversial Southampton move with FA keeping tabs"https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/frank-lampard-southampton-everton-t [Post edited 17 Feb 18:10] Edited 17 February, 2022 by Nordic Saint 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 17 February, 2022 Share Posted 17 February, 2022 1 minute ago, Nordic Saint said: Portsmouth's finest reporter on Saints, Dan Sheldon, has had the effect he wanted with his article in The Athletic:"Frank Lampard comments on controversial Southampton move with FA keeping tabs"https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/frank-lampard-southampton-everton-t [Post edited 17 Feb 18:10] Wtf? Players have been going down for a rest since I can remember watching the game. Why are we now being focussed on? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nordic Saint Posted 17 February, 2022 Share Posted 17 February, 2022 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Saint_clark said: Wtf? Players have been going down for a rest since I can remember watching the game. Why are we now being focussed on? Because of a football reporter from Waterlooville, called Dan Sheldon, who seems to be on a campaign against Saints. Edited 17 February, 2022 by Nordic Saint 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dman Posted 17 February, 2022 Share Posted 17 February, 2022 2 minutes ago, Nordic Saint said: Because of a football reporter from Waterlooville, called Dan Sheldon, who seems to be orchestrating a media campaign against Saints. 😂😂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 17 February, 2022 Share Posted 17 February, 2022 Can't believe people are upset by this non story. The FA have said nothing, and won't be able to stop players going down and staying down after getting a whack. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nordic Saint Posted 17 February, 2022 Share Posted 17 February, 2022 (edited) This was another of his recent articles: Southampton manager Ralph Hasenhuttl to consider retiring once contract expires in 2024 - The Athletic He sends them to all of the national papers and they do seem to get quite a lot of coverage, as any negative gossip about a football club is always welcome. Edited 17 February, 2022 by Nordic Saint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 17 February, 2022 Share Posted 17 February, 2022 1 minute ago, egg said: Can't believe people are upset by this non story. The FA have said nothing, and won't be able to stop players going down and staying down after getting a whack. And as mr lampard has said - it’s been going on for years - which to me means we are only playing catch up to the teams that have been doing it for years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 17 February, 2022 Share Posted 17 February, 2022 Just now, Toadhall Saint said: And as mr lampard has said - it’s been going on for years - which to me means we are only playing catch up to the teams that have been doing it for years Indeed, it's been happening for years. Zero chance of doing anything about it, and proving that players are feigning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexLaw76 Posted 17 February, 2022 Share Posted 17 February, 2022 16 minutes ago, Nordic Saint said: Because of a football reporter from Waterlooville, called Dan Sheldon, who seems to be on a campaign against Saints. 🙃 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 17 February, 2022 Share Posted 17 February, 2022 14 minutes ago, egg said: Indeed, it's been happening for years. Zero chance of doing anything about it, and proving that players are feigning. Exactly- cramp can happen at anytime 😉😉 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintsLoyal Posted 17 February, 2022 Share Posted 17 February, 2022 (edited) The bottom line must be to anyone who hasnt cancelled this athletic subscription scam to do so asap Dan Sheldon shouldnt be allowed anywhere near St Marys, clear grass, mugging us off to the nationals with this revalation. I dont care if other clubs do it, you dont have grass journalists like him around st marys. Hes a total wazzock Edited 17 February, 2022 by SaintsLoyal 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ted Bates Statue Posted 17 February, 2022 Share Posted 17 February, 2022 (edited) Diving to gain a goal scoring opportunity has been a problem in this sport for decades and nothing of substance has been done about it. Think this little titbit will be filed under the 'mildly interesting' category in similar fashion to how it was received back in the autumn, and those outside our catchment area bubble will move on swiftly to other matters. As for The Athletic, whether you care for them or not, now that the NYT have acquired them (overshadowed by Wordle lol) I expect it won't be too long before they will start swinging the axe on the less popular sections of their site, which will no doubt include reporting on the likes of us. Edited 17 February, 2022 by Ted Bates Statue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Matty 76 Posted 17 February, 2022 Share Posted 17 February, 2022 (edited) I'd never really had an issue with Dan (other than the obvious drop off in quality/communication since Carl left) but I just can't possibly see the point of this article? How is 14/24 (approximately 58%) of games where a notoriously high pressing team pick up an injury in that time frame news worthy? We've actually scored 5 goals past the 70th minute this season, only Burnley and Norwich have fewer so it begs the question even further what was the point? Really strange behaviour trying to dig out the team you're meant to be making engaging content for. I'm sure you could spot similar patterns in other teams in the league (Wolves in particular), but nobody would waste their time on such shite. Drawn the short straw with this bloke looking at the other clubs representatives. Edited 17 February, 2022 by Saint Matty 76 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 17 February, 2022 Share Posted 17 February, 2022 1 hour ago, HarvSFC said: Why hasn't the FA kept tabs on this? Has far more influence on a match than our little one minute breaks. Manchester United have been charged over their conduct. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/60408906 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 17 February, 2022 Share Posted 17 February, 2022 We should go down in the 59th or 71st minute on Saturday. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 17 February, 2022 Share Posted 17 February, 2022 (edited) I've always found Sheldons features/articles a bit... ''well, yeah I knew that....why did I just read this for 5 mins? I've learned nothing new'' Carl Anka was on a different level with his content. On this specific one it's another non article with means nothing and tells us nothing new, as clubs have been doing this for all time. Why our own reporter has decided to specifically name and shame us is beyond me though. Edited 17 February, 2022 by S-Clarke 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 17 February, 2022 Share Posted 17 February, 2022 16 minutes ago, S-Clarke said: Carl Anka was on a different level with his content. We were spoilt with Carl. What a writer. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 17 February, 2022 Share Posted 17 February, 2022 1 hour ago, Whitey Grandad said: Manchester United have been charged over their conduct. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/60408906 Fine will be £2.59p and a fish & chip supper. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu Posted 17 February, 2022 Share Posted 17 February, 2022 (edited) Does this Dan guy ever have anything positive to say about Saints? I don't understand why he was employed at the Athletic to cover us. Surely no Southampton fans are interested in his negative, low quality articles? I cancelled my subscription months ago. Edited 17 February, 2022 by Disco Stu 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nta786 Posted 17 February, 2022 Share Posted 17 February, 2022 46 minutes ago, SuperSAINT said: We were spoilt with Carl. What a writer. As with football, he was snapped up to write for the bigger club. If I remember correctly, Carl also used to frequent here and gave out the odd 30 day pass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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