whiteleySaint30 Posted 23 December, 2023 Share Posted 23 December, 2023 Let's not forget either- this is NOT a striker who's scored goals year in year out in the championship- he's only ever played 13 games at this level. Absolute shambles of a signing from the club. 3 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FarehamSaintJames Posted 23 December, 2023 Share Posted 23 December, 2023 This puts Carrillo above Stewart in the pecking order surely, given that he played more minutes, and by all accounts wasn’t injured. This one has to be on Jason Wilcox and Russell Martin, as much as I’d love to blame Rasmus Ankersen. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted 23 December, 2023 Share Posted 23 December, 2023 What a complete and utter shit shambles of a signing! Who authorised this? Have we learnt nothing? That money should have gone towards a reliable less injury prone striker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmer Saint Posted 23 December, 2023 Share Posted 23 December, 2023 (edited) 20 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said: What a horrific signing. More so for a club that raked in record receipts for player sales at this level. We literally had the pick of almost every striker available to a team outside of the Premier League. LOL Edit - I remember the days when we had a complete blind spot for CBs, now it appears the glitch in the black box has shifted to CF. Absolutely insane, and will play a big factor in us remaining in the Championship. Fucking hell, we have some fannies on here. The reality is that we won't get automatic promotion because Leicester and Ipswich are putting up near unprecedented results, not because we don't have a back up striker (and he would be backup as we have AA, who has more goal involvements than any other player in the league (18 in 22 games)). By comparison, Piroe has 9 in 22 games in a better attacking team. Edited 23 December, 2023 by Farmer Saint 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheaf Saint Posted 23 December, 2023 Share Posted 23 December, 2023 19 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said: We literally had the pick of almost every striker available to a team outside of the Premier League. Did we? Were they all LITERALLY queueing up to sign for us? But we rejected them all in favour of Stewart? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmer Saint Posted 23 December, 2023 Share Posted 23 December, 2023 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Sheaf Saint said: Did we? Were they all LITERALLY queueing up to sign for us? But we rejected them all in favour of Stewart? It's fine, let's wait for @AlexLaw76 to come up with a list of the strikers that he'd have signed instead. Even with hindsight I think he'll struggle. Edited 23 December, 2023 by Farmer Saint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexLaw76 Posted 23 December, 2023 Share Posted 23 December, 2023 1 minute ago, Sheaf Saint said: Did we? Were they all LITERALLY queueing up to sign for us? But we rejected them all in favour of Stewart? Yep. We had the top 3 spending power in the land, outside of the Premier League. We (with leeds) were in the market for a leading striker, Leeds got Piroe, we could have had nearly every other available...we chose Ross Stewart for no small fee given his injury record and contract situation. It has failed this season on that front Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexLaw76 Posted 23 December, 2023 Share Posted 23 December, 2023 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said: It's fine, let's wait for @AlexLaw76 to come up with a list of the strikers that he'd have signed instead. Even with hindsight I think he'll struggle. OK, every striker that is not called Piroe and who does not play in the premier league, for Leeds or Leicester.... There we go. Edited 23 December, 2023 by AlexLaw76 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheaf Saint Posted 23 December, 2023 Share Posted 23 December, 2023 5 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said: Fucking hell, we have some fannies on here. We really do. Never seen such a ridiculous over reaction to news of an injury setback. It's unfortunate, and frustrating, for us and for Stewart, but not really worth getting the pitch forks out for is it. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfc4prem Posted 23 December, 2023 Share Posted 23 December, 2023 Bit of a shite signing, really. Thankfully it hasn't impacted us as Arma has been pretty great. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmer Saint Posted 23 December, 2023 Share Posted 23 December, 2023 3 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said: OK, every striker that is not called Piroe and who does not play in the premier league, fo Leeds or Leicester.... There we go. Yeah, nice one. Really proving your point there. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheaf Saint Posted 23 December, 2023 Share Posted 23 December, 2023 2 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said: OK, every striker that is not called Piroe and who does not play for in the premier league, Leeds or Leicester.... There we go. OK so which striker specifically, in that category and who moved clubs in the summer, should we have signed instead in your opinion? And can you guarantee he would have chosen to come to us? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 23 December, 2023 Share Posted 23 December, 2023 (edited) This news is a DISASTER. We have been really struggling without our new star striker, and so desperately needed him to come good to turn our floundering season around and boost our attempt to close the gap to the play off places. As the Wee Free Men would put it, "Wailee Wailee Wailee!" Edited 23 December, 2023 by badgerx16 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexLaw76 Posted 23 December, 2023 Share Posted 23 December, 2023 Just now, Sheaf Saint said: OK so which striker specifically, in that category and who moved clubs in the summer, should we have signed instead in your opinion? And can you guarantee he would have chosen to come to us? I do not work at the club mate, but we bought a championship promotion rival's star striker. God forbid we could compete with other championship sides like Stoke or Plymouth or even Millwall... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 23 December, 2023 Share Posted 23 December, 2023 1 minute ago, Sheaf Saint said: OK so which striker specifically, in that category and who moved clubs in the summer, should we have signed instead in your opinion? And can you guarantee he would have chosen to come to us? HahHahahaha Jesus wept. We're on the "name him name him name him" part of the exchange. You can definitely point to threads and threads and threads on clamouring for Saints to sign Ross Stewart in August then, because he and he alone was the only striker in Europe we could have possibly signed? There was no one else anywhere? You definitely can do that right? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osvaldorama Posted 23 December, 2023 Share Posted 23 December, 2023 No one can defend the club here and anyone that tries is wearing ridiculous red tinted glasses. It was a mental gamble. Compounded by the fact that one striker signings have been cack for YEARS. If this was a one off bad striking signing, then that’s fine every recruitment team makes the odd mistake. But saints are consistently unable to find goal scorers and it’s a real and fair concern. 100% questions should be asked of the club 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmer Saint Posted 23 December, 2023 Share Posted 23 December, 2023 6 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said: I do not work at the club mate, but we bought a championship promotion rival's star striker. God forbid we could compete with other championship sides like Stoke or Plymouth or even Millwall... It's alright, your prescient enough to predict that this one failed signing will cost us promotion, but even with hindsight you can't name a player you'd rather have 🤣🤣🤣 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmer Saint Posted 23 December, 2023 Share Posted 23 December, 2023 (edited) 10 minutes ago, CB Fry said: HahHahahaha Jesus wept. We're on the "name him name him name him" part of the exchange. You can definitely point to threads and threads and threads on clamouring for Saints to sign Ross Stewart in August then, because he and he alone was the only striker in Europe we could have possibly signed? There was no one else anywhere? You definitely can do that right? I don't think he's saying that - but even with the help of seeing how players are doing, he can't name one player. It is extremely disappointing, and shit business, but it's not going to be the thing that costs us promotion (in fact signing a player to play ahead of AA could have in fact cost us promotion as he's been great) . Edited 23 December, 2023 by Farmer Saint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexLaw76 Posted 23 December, 2023 Share Posted 23 December, 2023 Just now, Farmer Saint said: It's alright, your prescient enough to predict that this one failed signing will cost us promotion, but even with hindsight you can't name a player you'd rather have 🤣🤣🤣 Ok, Morgan Whittaker, Ryan Hardie, Aaron Connelly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 23 December, 2023 Share Posted 23 December, 2023 2 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said: It's alright, your prescient enough to predict that this one failed signing will cost us promotion, but even with hindsight you can't name a player you'd rather have 🤣🤣🤣 Odd stance. The club should have bought or loaned a player capable of significant contributions. It's not for the individual fan to make that call, it's the club that needs to make better choices. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheaf Saint Posted 23 December, 2023 Share Posted 23 December, 2023 4 minutes ago, CB Fry said: HahHahahaha Jesus wept. We're on the "name him name him name him" part of the exchange. You can definitely point to threads and threads and threads on clamouring for Saints to sign Ross Stewart in August then, because he and he alone was the only striker in Europe we could have possibly signed? There was no one else anywhere? You definitely can do that right? No, because that's not the point I'm making and you know that full well. Alex claims we could have signed literally anyone. Clearly we couldn't, and he can't even name a single player who definitely would have signed for us when pressed, or would definitely have improved our squad. So signing Stewart was a gamble, given he was still recovering from injury when he joined, and there obviously would have been better options if we could literally choose anyone we wanted. But Alex is vastly overestimating our actual pull in the market, given that we'd just finished bottom of the PL with a dismal points total, been through 3 managers in 6 months, signed an unproven new manager with no experience of promotion challenges, and sold off pretty much all our best assets. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notnowcato Posted 23 December, 2023 Share Posted 23 December, 2023 1 hour ago, CB Fry said: That's us told. Well done the club on a fantastic signing and £8m very spent and thanks to Ross for everything you have done for us this season in our push for promotion 👏👏👏 Five months is NOT and NEVER WILL BE six months. FFS some people Next time, try the other side of the bed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obelisk Posted 23 December, 2023 Share Posted 23 December, 2023 Have been away and missed this news about Stewart. Has anyone suggested getting Tall Paul back? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gio1saints Posted 23 December, 2023 Share Posted 23 December, 2023 17 minutes ago, Sheaf Saint said: We really do. Never seen such a ridiculous over reaction to news of an injury setback. It's unfortunate, and frustrating, for us and for Stewart, but not really worth getting the pitch forks out for is it. The usual forum angry mob have found a nice focal point. It must have been frustrating all these matches unbeaten so this is a great chance to pile on the hate. I think they have, finally, found something to beat RM, JW and SR up with. An Early Xmas present. And, of course, even though it might appear unseemly to some that a major injury set back to what appears to be a decent bloke is being used in this way, that’s life and don’t let that get in the way of our anger. I’m sure questions will be asked and eyebrows raised about the pre transfer injury status - but does the poor guys injury set back really deserve this very distasteful commentary? As supporters let’s use this energy to get behind Ross and the team today and rest of season Instead of in trying to win forum points about who can be most outraged and best finger pointer? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheaf Saint Posted 23 December, 2023 Share Posted 23 December, 2023 8 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said: Ok, Morgan Whittaker, Ryan Hardie, Aaron Connelly. None of whom are managing even close to the numbers A Armstrong has so far, so there's no guarantee any one of those would have improved us, or would have chosen to sign if we had bid anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 23 December, 2023 Share Posted 23 December, 2023 43 minutes ago, Sheaf Saint said: Scoff all you want, but there is more than one person on this thread channelling their inner MLT and saying a hamstring injury won't sideline a player for 6 months so there must be more to it. Whereas in actual fact that's not even what's been reported. It's just a knee jerk reaction based on zero evidence. A particularly bad one could quite easily take up to 3-4 months for full recovery if it needs surgery, and then given his low starting point with match fitness, would take him at least another month to get to a point where he might be able to play more than half a game. Like Russ alluded to, there's really no point rushing him back this season given all of the above. So yeah, we can berate the club all we like for making such a poor signing (honestly, some of the comments on here - fuck me!) But the truth is we could not possibly have predicted that this injury was going to happen. Name the other players who have been out for 5-6 months with hamstring injuries. Come on name them. Fucking name them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 23 December, 2023 Share Posted 23 December, 2023 10 minutes ago, Sheaf Saint said: None of whom are managing even close to the numbers A Armstrong has so far, so there's no guarantee any one of those would have improved us, or would have chosen to sign if we had bid anyway. Every other player anyone can name is shit, because Ross Stewart is the only striker we could have possibly signed, Sheaf Saint was recommending him and absolutely no one else all summer. I remember it ever so well. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheaf Saint Posted 23 December, 2023 Share Posted 23 December, 2023 19 minutes ago, Turkish said: Name the other players who have been out for 5-6 months with hamstring injuries. Come on name them. Fucking name them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 23 December, 2023 Share Posted 23 December, 2023 Just now, Sheaf Saint said: So when pushed you can’t name anyone who has been out for 6 months. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint lard Posted 23 December, 2023 Share Posted 23 December, 2023 Another clusterfuck of a signing. he’s not proven over any length of time in this league and yet we put our eggs in one basket by signing a ready made sick note for the ages.True to form we still can’t get a striker. And if…it’s a big if….we were to get promoted I have no faith in him excelling in the Premier league…so we will be saddled with him. 🤷🏻♂️ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexLaw76 Posted 23 December, 2023 Share Posted 23 December, 2023 31 minutes ago, Sheaf Saint said: None of whom are managing even close to the numbers A Armstrong has so far, so there's no guarantee any one of those would have improved us, or would have chosen to sign if we had bid anyway. Now compare to Ross Stewart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
austsaint Posted 23 December, 2023 Share Posted 23 December, 2023 Leaving aside whether RS has suffered a torn-from-the-bone hamstring injury or was/is still crocked from the achilles rupture, it was a strange signing by the Club. Turning 28 next year; played Scottish Football, including lower divisions until 2021, and then two seasons at League 1 level in England culminating in 13 games in the Championship, albeit with 10 goals before succumbing to a serious, season ending achilles injury. Sorry, but it never looked like an inspired signing. If we are promoted, can anyone seriously see Ross Stewart playing a meaningful role in the Prem? Ricky Lambert's don't come along very often. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuckyNumber7 Posted 23 December, 2023 Share Posted 23 December, 2023 Shit news for both the club and Stewart, it was a gamble for sure and sadly it's failed. But bloody hell there are some drama queens on here! Reckon we'll try and get a striker in on loan in January. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted 23 December, 2023 Share Posted 23 December, 2023 On 31/08/2023 at 19:01, skintsaint said: Not exactly thrilled by signing a crocked striker. But thems the breaks. Still not thrilled. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGTL Posted 23 December, 2023 Share Posted 23 December, 2023 (edited) For this to just be a hamstring problem, it would mean a complete tear, separation and surgery most probably required. Worst of the worst type of hamstring injury. And even then, 6 months is on the pessimistic side. For someone who jogged around and touched the ball about twice in his last appearance before walking off, it would have had to be a hell of a training ground injury. It’s clearly nonsense. Edited 23 December, 2023 by LGTL 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 23 December, 2023 Share Posted 23 December, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, austsaint said: ....seriously see Ross Stewart playing a meaningful role in the Prem? Ricky Lambert's don't come along very often. Would anybody have suggested SRL ( age 27 ), was Premier League, and even England, material when we signed him ? He had only ever played in the 3rd and 4th tiers of English football. Edited 23 December, 2023 by badgerx16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 23 December, 2023 Share Posted 23 December, 2023 11 hours ago, trousers said: So, in effect, we’re due for a repeat of the summer and whole carry on with Che Adams. “ he’s going, he might stay, will he go, he’s off, oh no he’s not he’s staying after all.” Adams seemed like he was massive fucked off with all the uncertainty during the summer so he’s gonna love this new scenario. Personally I’d be amazed if the club lashes a big amount at anyone over the January window. Just can’t see it. Any fee for Che isn’t going to be huge given he’s out of contract, and anyone decent in the Championship (there aren’t tonnes of stand out candidates) will be tough to pry away. A PL loan deal for an out of favour striker for a few months, maybe, but how often does that happen? PL players want to, rightly, stay in the PL. Most likely scenario IMO is that Che gets convinced to stay until the end of season then goes on a free, we don’t bring anyone new in. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob60 Posted 23 December, 2023 Share Posted 23 December, 2023 1 hour ago, Turkish said: So when pushed you can’t name anyone who has been out for 6 months. What a load of cotswallop Reece James is out for four months at least and who said six months, Martin said he may be fit for last three four weeks but probably would not want to risk him depending on situation as he would prefer him to have a full preseason. Still a huge gamble of a signing that hasn't worked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BARCELONASAINT Posted 23 December, 2023 Share Posted 23 December, 2023 The reality is we DO NOT have a war chest for January and even IF we did we would have to sell first to stay within financial fair play rules! For those with short memories we were fed crap at the end of last season when all these stories appeared saying we were financially sound and did not have to sell any of our players. The complete opposite was true and the cost of relegation was huge, we had gambled with the likes of Tall Paul, we had gambled with that nut job Nathan Jones, the club lost millions and was still paying Ralph!! We have taken more risks with Sully, Stewart and Alcaraz...........Stewart we all know has now backfired and the other two I personally think have been woeful although i still hold hope they might come good. The reality is we need someone to come in for Che to get rid of his wages and a small transfer fee that will allow us to pay a decent loan fee for some out of favour striker. I still think we need a winger/ AM that can actually score and assist! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 23 December, 2023 Share Posted 23 December, 2023 12 hours ago, Turkish said: Six months out with a hamstring injury, have you ever heard that before? It’s 6-12 weeks absolute max. He wasn’t limping off at Huddersfield and hasn’t featured since. Join the dots Smack heeed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 23 December, 2023 Share Posted 23 December, 2023 Solent said this morning that Stewart had aggravated the previous injury. Martin said to be fair rather than giving endless bulletins the club feel that it's better to write this season off and give him a full pre season next year. However if he is fit earlier before the end of the season that would be a bonus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danjosaint Posted 23 December, 2023 Share Posted 23 December, 2023 2 hours ago, Farmer Saint said: but it's not going to be the thing that costs us promotion No thats Russell Martin and Ankerson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 23 December, 2023 Share Posted 23 December, 2023 27 minutes ago, derry said: Solent said this morning that Stewart had aggravated the previous injury. Martin said to be fair rather than giving endless bulletins the club feel that it's better to write this season off and give him a full pre season next year. However if he is fit earlier before the end of the season that would be a bonus. Championship regular season finishes on May 4, so it’s only about 4 and a half months. Playoffs takes it longer of course. Can just see the Crockness Flopba coming on as sub at Wembley and scoring to take us up……… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hodgey Posted 23 December, 2023 Share Posted 23 December, 2023 I think overall having a pop at our transfer business is fair. Yes we’ve used the loan system well but given we have little money we’ve spent £20m on a very questionable left back, an injured striker and a city kid who isn’t ready (didn’t learn that lesson from last year). Honestly - I don’t think we would be any different position wise if we hadn’t signed any of them. £20m is a lot in this division and we should be spending it much more efficiently 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 23 December, 2023 Share Posted 23 December, 2023 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osvaldorama Posted 23 December, 2023 Share Posted 23 December, 2023 23 minutes ago, Hodgey said: I think overall having a pop at our transfer business is fair. Yes we’ve used the loan system well but given we have little money we’ve spent £20m on a very questionable left back, an injured striker and a city kid who isn’t ready (didn’t learn that lesson from last year). Honestly - I don’t think we would be any different position wise if we hadn’t signed any of them. £20m is a lot in this division and we should be spending it much more efficiently And we sold tella!! basically relied on Adam Armstrong to score goals and no one else…which in itself was a gamble after his form the last few years. Luckily and credit to him and Martin he has been fantastic but even that was a gamble. Our transfer policy when it comes to attacking players is atrocious and has been for a while. There are signs of life defensively though with the signings of THB & Downes. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedArmy Posted 23 December, 2023 Share Posted 23 December, 2023 The Loch Ness Crockedster 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 23 December, 2023 Share Posted 23 December, 2023 A pointless risky signing when we didn't need to make one. We had the money to spend on a proper striker who was fit, but we didn't. By the time he plays for us it will be almost 2 years since he's been playing regular football. He isn't coming back to the level he was, it's pointless hoping for otherwise. A disaster of a signing. We need to use January to replace him, not fill in for him. He's done here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 23 December, 2023 Share Posted 23 December, 2023 4 hours ago, Farmer Saint said: Fucking hell, we have some fannies on here. The reality is that we won't get automatic promotion because Leicester and Ipswich are putting up near unprecedented results, not because we don't have a back up striker (and he would be backup as we have AA, who has more goal involvements than any other player in the league (18 in 22 games)). By comparison, Piroe has 9 in 22 games in a better attacking team. Bullshit 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 23 December, 2023 Share Posted 23 December, 2023 2 hours ago, The Kraken said: So, in effect, we’re due for a repeat of the summer and whole carry on with Che Adams. “ he’s going, he might stay, will he go, he’s off, oh no he’s not he’s staying after all.” Adams seemed like he was massive fucked off with all the uncertainty during the summer so he’s gonna love this new scenario. Personally I’d be amazed if the club lashes a big amount at anyone over the January window. Just can’t see it. Any fee for Che isn’t going to be huge given he’s out of contract, and anyone decent in the Championship (there aren’t tonnes of stand out candidates) will be tough to pry away. A PL loan deal for an out of favour striker for a few months, maybe, but how often does that happen? PL players want to, rightly, stay in the PL. Most likely scenario IMO is that Che gets convinced to stay until the end of season then goes on a free, we don’t bring anyone new in. If it meant getting Ings in, I would let Adams go on a free in January. Owing mostly to the fact that he couldn’t hit a cows arse with a banjo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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