gio1saints Posted 31 October, 2023 Share Posted 31 October, 2023 (edited) On 25/10/2023 at 15:19, notnowcato said: Everton always equals Fuckin' Adrian Heath to me, not that I'm bitter. I feel sorry for their fans but its been a complete basket case of a club for a number of years now. Given the 3 that went up last season, I thought they'd miss out on relegation again but looks like shit is about to get interesting. I was there too. No true Saints fan can feel anything but happiness at karma catching up with Everton. That was OUR cup that year, the fuckers. Edited 31 October, 2023 by gio1saints 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macca155 Posted 31 October, 2023 Share Posted 31 October, 2023 On 25/10/2023 at 15:29, SW5 SAINT said: Indeed, I don’t Everton in the same league as us next season. Careful what you wish for…..! I said this last year. No way do we want Everton blocking our route back. They are a big club, we hate them obviously, but they have a heritage we cannot get near. They'll be a magnet for foreign investment. They can draw on a decent academy, and the media will be all over them..... nightmare. They'll have issues obviously, but they'll have enough to bounce back. I'm desperate to see them down here, but not while we are in the pit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 1 November, 2023 Share Posted 1 November, 2023 1 hour ago, macca155 said: I said this last year. No way do we want Everton blocking our route back. They are a big club, we hate them obviously, but they have a heritage we cannot get near. They'll be a magnet for foreign investment. They can draw on a decent academy, and the media will be all over them..... nightmare. They'll have issues obviously, but they'll have enough to bounce back. I'm desperate to see them down here, but not while we are in the pit. Agreed. We're unlucky enough to have Leicester and Leeds down here with us instead of the likes of Burnley and Bournemouth, nevermind Everton as well. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint86 Posted 1 November, 2023 Share Posted 1 November, 2023 12 hours ago, macca155 said: I said this last year. No way do we want Everton blocking our route back. They are a big club, we hate them obviously, but they have a heritage we cannot get near. They'll be a magnet for foreign investment. They can draw on a decent academy, and the media will be all over them..... nightmare. They'll have issues obviously, but they'll have enough to bounce back. I'm desperate to see them down here, but not while we are in the pit. The punishment for everton should be guaranteed demotion and a multi year transfer embargo. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint86 Posted 1 November, 2023 Share Posted 1 November, 2023 22 hours ago, Master Bates said: https://footballleagueworld.co.uk/simon-jordan-issues-leicester-city-leeds-united-southampton-warning-ahead-of-potential-everton-legal-case/ I would imagine any legal case we take out should be against the league itself. Total failure to enforce the ffp spending caps over multiple leagues, which therefore allowed Everton to deliberately and continuously overspend vs direct rivals to survive against relegation, and in so doing, increase the costs for all other clubs trying to compete/survive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint NL Posted 17 November, 2023 Share Posted 17 November, 2023 For financial reasons. Immediate deduction, what a difference that could have made last season (not for us, we were shit). 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revolution saint Posted 17 November, 2023 Share Posted 17 November, 2023 Anything happened over this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raging Bull Posted 17 November, 2023 Share Posted 17 November, 2023 (edited) Probably still stay up, but Lol’s https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/67448714 Edited 17 November, 2023 by Raging Bull 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenilworthy Posted 17 November, 2023 Share Posted 17 November, 2023 I guess there is no chance of it sticking. And also annoying that it probably will not be enough to send them down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted 17 November, 2023 Share Posted 17 November, 2023 If they don't get it overturned they'll still survive because they're a lucky bunch of lucky bastards. Goal difference - you heard it here first. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 17 November, 2023 Share Posted 17 November, 2023 Oh dear, how sad, never mind. Seems like the charge relates to interest payments on the cost of building their new stadium ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igsey Posted 17 November, 2023 Share Posted 17 November, 2023 If this is based on last season's finances, what are the chances of Saints/Leeds/Leicester kicking up a fuss and starting a legal battle? 10 point deduction applied to last season would have them in 19th (1 point ahead of us!) and Leicester would have survived. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 17 November, 2023 Share Posted 17 November, 2023 2 minutes ago, SNSUN said: If they don't get it overturned they'll still survive because they're a lucky bunch of lucky bastards. Goal difference - you heard it here first. yeah they wont go down, thiose three that came up, plus Bournemouth will make sure they crawl out of the shite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pamplemousse Posted 17 November, 2023 Share Posted 17 November, 2023 Hopefully Man City and Chelsea are next. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raging Bull Posted 17 November, 2023 Share Posted 17 November, 2023 I couldn’t care less about any other club other than us. But I do find it laughable that Man City have 115 charges against them and nothing’s happening to them. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmes_and_Watson Posted 17 November, 2023 Share Posted 17 November, 2023 Crumbs! If that was last season it would have given us the momentum to be...slightly less abject. They're all of 2 points off of 4th bottom. So, not a mountain to climb there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 17 November, 2023 Share Posted 17 November, 2023 Just now, Raging Bull said: I couldn’t care less about any other club other than us. But I do find it laughable that Man City have 115 charges against them and nothing’s happening to them. They're kicking it down the road so far in the hope people forget about it, when they come to debate it again in 2050 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EssEffCee Posted 17 November, 2023 Share Posted 17 November, 2023 Suspect there may be some twitchy arses in West London and East Manchester upon hearing this news... A joke really. Suspect they'll still stay up which will be hilarious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattio Posted 17 November, 2023 Share Posted 17 November, 2023 6 minutes ago, igsey said: If this is based on last season's finances, what are the chances of Saints/Leeds/Leicester kicking up a fuss and starting a legal battle? 10 point deduction applied to last season would have them in 19th (1 point ahead of us!) and Leicester would have survived. https://www.cityam.com/everton-could-be-sued-for-300m-by-leeds-leicester-and-burnley-reports/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkshire Saint Posted 17 November, 2023 Share Posted 17 November, 2023 Should be 30 points 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctoroncall Posted 17 November, 2023 Share Posted 17 November, 2023 5 minutes ago, Raging Bull said: I couldn’t care less about any other club other than us. But I do find it laughable that Man City have 115 charges against them and nothing’s happening to them. Well they have more money than Everton and can keep putting up obstacles for the authorities to stumble at before finding out anything useful for a conviction. It needs a courageous whistleblower to come forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 17 November, 2023 Share Posted 17 November, 2023 Ten points is probably not going to hurt them too much such is the state of the league this year, it couldn't have happened at a better time for them. They will only lose out financially for the pay out for league places at the end of the season. Had those points been deducted retrospective (as perhaps they should've been) that would've been a whole different ballgame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangelyBrown Posted 17 November, 2023 Share Posted 17 November, 2023 Should be guaranteed relegation rather than a points deduction - that way it would be a proper deterrent for others doing the same. Unfortunately most likely this will be overturned and the PL will pat themselves on the back on another piece of propaganda successfully landing and the cheating can continue. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexLaw76 Posted 17 November, 2023 Share Posted 17 November, 2023 They are going to appeal (of course) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EssEffCee Posted 17 November, 2023 Share Posted 17 November, 2023 Interested to see how long the appeal process takes. Surely it needs to be quite quickly as it'll be farcical if it gets to April time and it's still uncertain? Either way I hope they stay up and think they will. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted 17 November, 2023 Share Posted 17 November, 2023 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Mattio said: https://www.cityam.com/everton-could-be-sued-for-300m-by-leeds-leicester-and-burnley-reports/ Leicester should go in all guns blazing for a pay out - they're going up this season anyway and a ton of money from Everton would help rebuild the squad they had to decimate because of their relegation. *EDIT - ...as they're the ones that suffered relegation instead of Everton. Edited 17 November, 2023 by SNSUN 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Wolf Posted 17 November, 2023 Share Posted 17 November, 2023 They'll be relegated on the last day, spend the next month appealing and the day before the fixtures are announced they'll announce the appeal has been successful and whoever survived on the last day will be sent down instead. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexLaw76 Posted 17 November, 2023 Share Posted 17 November, 2023 Hell of a season to take a 10 point hit. Come on Luton 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 17 November, 2023 Share Posted 17 November, 2023 (edited) I doubt they'll get very far with an appeal. This has nothing to do with player trading/transfers. This is all cos some clever sod thought they'd get away with a fiddle on interest payments for the new ground......alledgedly ! Edited 17 November, 2023 by beatlesaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 17 November, 2023 Share Posted 17 November, 2023 Sadly, the other teams are too shit for this to make a difference. Fingers crossed one or two of them find a run of games, but I'm not sure they will. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedArmy Posted 17 November, 2023 Share Posted 17 November, 2023 How convenient for them that instead of them being punished when this first came about they get to take the punishment in a season when Burnley, Luton, Sheffield United and Bournemouth are all fucking shite. If they stay up this season then the rules are a waste of time. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint86 Posted 17 November, 2023 Share Posted 17 November, 2023 47 minutes ago, Saint NL said: For financial reasons. Immediate deduction, what a difference that could have made last season (not for us, we were shit). Brace yourself for the "first club in premier league history to be docked points and survive" big club mantra. Reality is that they should absolutely be demoted, and i would expect legal cases from burnley and Leicester (for the last 2 seasons) to be heading the way of the league/Everton for financial offences / failure to enforce the agreed spending limit rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SotonianWill Posted 17 November, 2023 Share Posted 17 November, 2023 27 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said: Hell of a season to take a 10 point hit. Come on Luton Best season for taking a 10 point deduction. The other teams are terrible - Everton aren’t even 20th. It should have been given last season, and then giving compensation and a return for the last placed team in the league (most disadvantaged). The only fair way. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macca155 Posted 17 November, 2023 Share Posted 17 November, 2023 If they are relegated and Saints are still in the Championship, that's just going to be a nuisance. Just making it harder for Saints. As someone said above, Leicester should be 'seeing them in court' asap. They are the victims of Everton's financial shenanigans. They can point out that they didn't spend money they didn't have. However Everton seem to be in reasonable form atm, so it's all academic, they'll survive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Challenger Posted 17 November, 2023 Share Posted 17 November, 2023 46 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said: They are going to appeal (of course) Appeal or squeal ? They are from Liverpool after all. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint86 Posted 17 November, 2023 Share Posted 17 November, 2023 4 minutes ago, macca155 said: If they are relegated and Saints are still in the Championship, that's just going to be a nuisance. Just making it harder for Saints. As someone said above, Leicester should be 'seeing them in court' asap. They are the victims of Everton's financial shenanigans. They can point out that they didn't spend money they didn't have. However Everton seem to be in reasonable form atm, so it's all academic, they'll survive. We'll have fooked up royally if we're still in the championship. I think we have the best 11 in the league player wise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osvaldorama Posted 17 November, 2023 Share Posted 17 November, 2023 Funny seeing Everton docked points. But it’s a joke that the PL are willing to deduct points from lower clubs and not the money clubs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexLaw76 Posted 17 November, 2023 Share Posted 17 November, 2023 1 minute ago, Osvaldorama said: Funny seeing Everton docked points. But it’s a joke that the PL are willing to deduct points from lower clubs and not the money clubs. who says they are not? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedWillie Posted 17 November, 2023 Share Posted 17 November, 2023 1 hour ago, Raging Bull said: I couldn’t care less about any other club other than us. But I do find it laughable that Man City have 115 charges against them and nothing’s happening to them. The case is still ongoing. However they have so much cash to pay the best lawyers they'll probably come out of it ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Jonny Posted 17 November, 2023 Share Posted 17 November, 2023 (edited) Edited 17 November, 2023 by Saint_Jonny 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Convict Colony Posted 17 November, 2023 Share Posted 17 November, 2023 Good fuck em, always knew those dugouts were expensive. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BallBoy Posted 17 November, 2023 Share Posted 17 November, 2023 They will wriggle out of it. Probably bring back Adrian Heath for a bobbly, rubbishy, lucky 11th hour deliverance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pingpong Posted 17 November, 2023 Share Posted 17 November, 2023 They're very lucky. Imagine if they had had to start the season on -10pts, I think they'd probably be in much more trouble now. But this just puts them 2pts away from safety, don't see it being any issue for them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW5 SAINT Posted 17 November, 2023 Share Posted 17 November, 2023 Let’s hope we go up this season. Imagine having to face Everton, Chelsea and Man City in the Championship next season…….! 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 17 November, 2023 Share Posted 17 November, 2023 2 hours ago, AlexLaw76 said: They are going to appeal (of course) And a light candles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint86 Posted 17 November, 2023 Share Posted 17 November, 2023 12 minutes ago, SW5 SAINT said: Let’s hope we go up this season. Imagine having to face Everton, Chelsea and Man City in the Championship next season…….! We'll be facing all 3 if we get promoted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 17 November, 2023 Share Posted 17 November, 2023 Imagine if they do okay, get that 10 points reinstated on appeal, and make Europe. Legal carnage. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 17 November, 2023 Share Posted 17 November, 2023 On 27/03/2023 at 10:10, Toussaint said: It makes sense to me, the PL have to be transparent, it's a greater risk to them to be caught covering things up than it is to hit Everton with the proverbial "wet lettuce leaf". Which is what will happen as Everton seem to be one of the favoured clubs. Frankly this is a load of conspiratorial tosh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toussaint Posted 17 November, 2023 Share Posted 17 November, 2023 6 minutes ago, Charlie Wayman said: Frankly this is a load of conspiratorial tosh. Cool story Charles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulwantsapint81 Posted 17 November, 2023 Share Posted 17 November, 2023 Let them appeal lose & get another 10 point deduction 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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