Saints Expelled from Playoffs

[goodymatt]

it’s going to be a long day today.

[ally_uk]

 My contribution

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[StrangelyBrown]

I hope regardless of the outcome that someone throws the book at whingeboro for trying to influence the outcome of the proceedings using the media and social media. If this was a legal case Boro would have broken the law.

[LegalEagle]

4 minutes ago, StrangelyBrown said:

I hope regardless of the outcome that someone throws the book at whingeboro for trying to influence the outcome of the proceedings using the media and social media. If this was a legal case Boro would have broken the law.

They would certainly be held in contempt of court

[LegalEagle]

Up to a £1 mill fine and a 3 point deduction the next time we’re in the EFL is my prediction.

[Toadhall Saint]

21 minutes ago, goodymatt said:

it’s going to be a long day today.

Day of days

[Lee On Solent Saint]

Time to buckle in and enjoy the ride

[pingpong]

4 minutes ago, LegalEagle said:

Up to a £1 mill fine and a 3 point deduction the next time we’re in the EFL is my prediction.

I don't think they'll give Boro any sporting sanction, probably just a fine.

Edited 15 hours ago by pingpong
Misread the we, thought they were referring to Boro!

[Roo1976]

this has taken longer to get the verdict than the whole sorry episode of spying.....why. Boros training facility is open to the public to view from the car park and i suppose the golf course and were supposed to have gained what advantage?

[Toadhall Saint]

3 minutes ago, LegalEagle said:

Up to a £1 mill fine and a 3 point deduction the next time we’re in the EFL is my prediction.

Watch out you’ll have the proportionate police on you. After all poor old Pompey ( not sure what they have to do with it) can’t afford 500k as it’s 2% of there turnover.

[JohnnyShearer2.0]

I think its a bit negligent from premier and championship clubs to have easy access for the public to view their training grounds. 

What's to stop citizens recording and just uploading online?

[SNSUN]

3 minutes ago, LegalEagle said:

Up to a £1 mill fine and a 3 point deduction the next time we’re in the EFL is my prediction.

My prediction based on absolutely nothing, no training or anything based on reality - I reckon the fine will be bigger (to make an example of us and send a message out to other clubs) but any points deduction will be suspended so that we can't commit the transgression again. I reckon the final goes ahead as planned.

My last prediction is that if the final goes ahead as planned, the Boro forums will explode and break the internet.

[Sunglasses Ron]

1 minute ago, JohnnyShearer2.0 said:

I think its a bit negligent from premier and championship clubs to have easy access for the public to view their training grounds. 

What's to stop citizens recording and just uploading online?

Absolutely nothing.

[StrangelyBrown]

5 minutes ago, Roo1976 said:

this has taken longer to get the verdict than the whole sorry episode of spying.....why. Boros training facility is open to the public to view from the car park and i suppose the golf course and were supposed to have gained what advantage?

It all seems simple to me ...

- if Boro didn't want to be spied on they would have made the smallest effort to hide their training pitches from the public. Not doing could be seen as entrapment especially if as has been reported observation is rife in the league

- if Boro respected due process they wouldn't have released the photo, Will Salts identity or told everyone what the outcome should be

- If Boro/Gibbo had any integrity they wouldn't have been party to a breach of GDPR and this would be the first case like this that they had raised

Throw the book at them.

Edited 15 hours ago by StrangelyBrown

[Roger]

Boro promotion odds gone from 7/1 to 8/11 this morning bit worrying 

[Sunglasses Ron]

5 minutes ago, SNSUN said:

My prediction based on absolutely nothing, no training or anything based on reality - I reckon the fine will be bigger (to make an example of us and send a message out to other clubs) but any points deduction will be suspended so that we can't commit the transgression again. I reckon the final goes ahead as planned.

My last prediction is that if the final goes ahead as planned, the Boro forums will explode and break the internet.

The problem the EFL have is that different clubs have different abilities to pay.  They should probably go down the GDPR-style route and fine the club X% of turnover in the event of a breach in addition to a set sporting sanction (something like 6 points the following season).

Edited 15 hours ago by Sunglasses Ron

[LiberalCommunist]

1 minute ago, Roger said:

Boro promotion odds gone from 7/1 to 8/11 this morning bit worrying 

Never underestimate the corruption that flows so close to football. 

[John B]

6 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Of course it has something to do with Boro

are you mad?

I do not think you understand what I am saying 

The case is about whether we cheated and what punishment we can expect all the stuff Boro are saying is totally irrelevant to the process except they caught the Intern filming

They may well take our place in the final but Boro and their stance will not be part of the evidence put forward to the tribunal because SFC could probably appeal against or sue the League if they did

I still cannot believe that the club sent up somebody to spy on opponents and if they did they will have to accept the consequences which are potentially mind blowing.

Gibson and Middlebrough are just mudding the waters which of course they are entitled to do 

I think we may have to accept the club was stupid as they have not said they are not implicated and have accepted the charges

We did have a good season did we not culminating in a great result last tuesday which of course could happen again this tuesday we survived going into receivership in 2008 I an certain we will survive this mad episode

 

 

[Appy]

3 minutes ago, Roger said:

Boro promotion odds gone from 7/1 to 8/11 this morning bit worrying 

Where on earth have you seen those odds? 
 

Absolutely no chance they’re odds on to be promoted. 

[obelisk]

4 minutes ago, Roger said:

Boro promotion odds gone from 7/1 to 8/11 this morning bit worrying 

Is that for next season after their extra summer training?

[St Chalet]

2 minutes ago, Roger said:

Boro promotion odds gone from 7/1 to 8/11 this morning bit worrying 

Odds are based on whackjob's piling on based on my mate's sister's gym instructor whose dating a player's dog groomer.

[Sheaf Saint]

Tonda Wonka.

Edited 15 hours ago by Sheaf Saint

[Farmer Saint]

21 minutes ago, LegalEagle said:

Up to a £1 mill fine and a 3 point deduction the next time we’re in the EFL is my prediction.

I think maybe £2m, but as a few of us have continuously said, it's the proportionality of the punishment to the offence. It opens up far too many legal challenges to throw us out, both through appeal and onwards litigation.

[goodymatt]

 

[scumbag]

Theres a tenner waiting at 9.8.

Cant see 8/11.

[Tamesaint]

11 minutes ago, Roger said:

Boro promotion odds gone from 7/1 to 8/11 this morning bit worrying 

In Bet 365 you can only bet on Southampton or Hull for promotion. We are 2/5 which is another way of saying fairly definite winners .... Which I don't think we are. 

[SNSUN]

17 minutes ago, Roger said:

Boro promotion odds gone from 7/1 to 8/11 this morning bit worrying 

[egg]

18 minutes ago, Roger said:

Boro promotion odds gone from 7/1 to 8/11 this morning bit worrying 

It's only worrying to the people who've laid out money and are expecting to see it again. 

[Viking Saint]

9 minutes ago, goodymatt said:

 

Can't see it, leaves them less than 72 hours before a major Wembley final

[Secret Site Agent]

26 minutes ago, Roger said:

Boro promotion odds gone from 7/1 to 8/11 this morning bit worrying 

I thought I would put a sneaky bet on them to cheer me up in case it all goes Pete Tong, but the only teams I can get odds on are Hull and Saints.

Which is a bit pleasing.

[Appy]

6 minutes ago, Viking Saint said:

Can't see it, leaves them less than 72 hours before a major Wembley final

72 hours is the sweet spot in terms of prep I’ve heard. 

[Fabrice29]

35 minutes ago, Roo1976 said:

this has taken longer to get the verdict than the whole sorry episode of spying.....why. Boros training facility is open to the public to view from the car park and i suppose the golf course and were supposed to have gained what advantage?

 

33 minutes ago, JohnnyShearer2.0 said:

I think its a bit negligent from premier and championship clubs to have easy access for the public to view their training grounds. 

What's to stop citizens recording and just uploading online?

 

30 minutes ago, StrangelyBrown said:

It all seems simple to me ...

- if Boro didn't want to be spied on they would have made the smallest effort to hide their training pitches from the public. Not doing could be seen as entrapment especially if as has been reported observation is rife in the league

This has all been explained quite a few times before but the overwhelming desire to victim blame is a concerning state of society.

[Sheaf Saint]

1 minute ago, Secret Site Agent said:

I thought I would put a sneaky bet on them to cheer me up in case it all goes Pete Tong, but the only teams I can get odds on are Hull and Saints.

Which is a bit pleasing.

I thought about doing the same when people were talking about odds of 8/1 the other day. But knowing my luck with betting, I'd have lumped on only for Boro to replace us in the final and then get spanked by Hull.

[LegalEagle]

36 minutes ago, Roger said:

Boro promotion odds gone from 7/1 to 8/11 this morning bit worrying 

Where have you seen that? I’ve gone online everywhere and even asked AI. No indication of that. Send a screenshot.

[SouSaint]

The longer it drags, the more likely it is that we're being booted imo. 

[Saint86]

1 hour ago, goodymatt said:

it’s going to be a long day today.

But think how much fun we can all have as steadfast Boro ITK's deliver consistently incorrect "reveals" for when the press conference will be ☺️😆.

[JohnnyShearer2.0]

10 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

 

 

This has all been explained quite a few times before but the overwhelming desire to victim blame is a concerning state of society.

I'm not victim blaming anyone. I specifically said its negligent. A professional organisation that doesnt take care of itself or takes reasonable actions to protect itself is asking for trouble.

Ive said it previously. Saints were stupid and incompetent enough to get caught so will get punished as a result.

Edited 15 hours ago by JohnnyShearer2.0

[scumbag]

[Saint86]

35 minutes ago, goodymatt said:

 

People need to stop following or sharing saintsextra, possibly less accurate than the Boro forums... They will reshare anything that gets hits.

As for this one, everyone knows the findings are expected today FFS.

Edited 15 hours ago by Saint86

[tisspahars]

Take or leave this with the usual caveats but I've been told from what (imo) is a good source that the EFL have text messages implicating Tonda in the organisation of spying. Brought my optimism levels crashing down tbh....

[mikec]

47 minutes ago, Roger said:

Boro promotion odds gone from 7/1 to 8/11 this morning bit worrying 

On the Betfair exchange they are currently at 6.8 (just under 6/1).  I think you confused the Boro odds with the Saints odds - we are still odds-on.

[Suhari]

11 minutes ago, SouSaint said:

The longer it drags, the more likely it is that we're being booted imo. 

Surely the opposite.

[obelisk]

2 minutes ago, tisspahars said:

Take or leave this with the usual caveats but I've been told from what (imo) is a good source that the EFL have text messages implicating Tonda in the organisation of spying. Brought my optimism levels crashing down tbh....

Begs the question of where they might have got text messages relating to this case from.

[trousers]

24 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

 

 

This has all been explained quite a few times before but the overwhelming desire to victim blame is a concerning state of society.

Can you have a word with my insurance company? They 'victim blamed' me when I had something stolen from my car... They declined my claim because I hadn't locked the doors... Bastards...

Edited 14 hours ago by trousers

[LGTL]

5 minutes ago, tisspahars said:

Take or leave this with the usual caveats but I've been told from what (imo) is a good source that the EFL have text messages implicating Tonda in the organisation of spying. Brought my optimism levels crashing down tbh....

I assume if this is true then they’ll be further discipline proceedings to follow and he’ll likely get a hefty ban.

[goneawol]

3 minutes ago, obelisk said:

Begs the question of where they might have got text messages relating to this case from.

Maybe sent to Boro’s whistleblower?

[LegalEagle]

6 minutes ago, tisspahars said:

Take or leave this with the usual caveats but I've been told from what (imo) is a good source that the EFL have text messages implicating Tonda in the organisation of spying. Brought my optimism levels crashing down tbh....

I’m not saying that you’re making this up but I struggle to see where text messages from Tonda would have come from. As this is not a court case there is no formal disclosure process here and if such texts did exist neither Southampton or Tonda would voluntarily disclose them. I cannot see why Salt would disclose them either. He’s not being charged with anything - criminally or by way of civil sanction.

[Saint NL]

[RedArmy]

2 minutes ago, LGTL said:

I assume if this is true then they’ll be further discipline proceedings to follow and he’ll likely get a hefty ban.

Yeah but that would go through the FA as it will be a ban for more than just the EFL. 
 

Not to discredit the poster or the source but this isn’t a criminal case, I don’t necessarily believe that we were under any obligation to provide electronic devices to be examined. 

[Saint Fan CaM]

Some of the conclusions reached on here are likely wide of the mark. The old adage of “you don’t know what you don’t know” springs to mind. We’ll just need to let everything take due course, with fingers crossed that common sense and proportionality are used in determining the outcome. 🤞