Tonda Eckert

[benjii]

1 hour ago, Saint86 said:

Obviously Boro have a thread on this, apparently he's a psychopath 😄
Tonda speaks | FMTTM

They are sad as fuck. 

[Cuddles]

Once the world cup kicks off and players start diving all over the place and missing penalties, this will become very old news. The press will hound someone else instead, probably an England player.

[Lighthouse]

5 minutes ago, tdmickey3 said:

Didnt make any difference to the Fulham, Arsenal and the city game did it?

Which begs the question; why do it?

[trousers]

3 minutes ago, Nordic Saint said:

Why not? Leeds won the  Championship trophy and Bielsa was voted EFL Championship Manager of the Year the season after their Spygate scandal. 

Whilst also picking up a FIFA fair play accolade along the way...

[JohnnyShearer2.0]

14 minutes ago, trousers said:

The Daily Mail have spoken... From a journo who just happens to be a Wrexham biographer....

https://www.dailymail.com/sport/football/article-15864985/Southampton-Eckert-Spygate-sacked-Middlesbrough.html

 

 

 

It's all just click bait. After champions league and now, no other news its back to the evil doers of Southampton. 

As for Alex Crook. My sources tell me that he's a cunt.

[Saint86]

8 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

Which begs the question; why do it?

It is unfortunately part and parcel of match preparation on the continent / abroad, and is quite literally the work environment he developed within - i.e., its the sort of coach he is 🤷‍♂️. Its only the EFL that has this ridiculous rule - and just look at the Arsenal comments crying about the GKs having penalty taker "cheat sheets"... you start making these stupid rules and all of a sudden people want new rules and start saying things are unfair. The reality is that clubs should be allowed to use these routes if they think they can gleam a benefit out of it - its a competitive sport - Tonda is a winner who was going after any information that he can gleam from analytical work. All these rules should be stripped away imo - Otherwise where do you draw the line? Should we just ban analysts outright, not allow keepers to study past penalties or keep notes, or stop clubs monitoring real time health data? Not all clubs can afford those resources or implement it equally right? so must impact the integrity of the game...

Edited 9 hours ago by Saint86

[tdmickey3]

10 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

Which begs the question; why do it?

 

2 minutes ago, Saint86 said:

It is unfortunately part and parcel of match preparation on the continent / abroad, and is quite literally the work environment he developed within - i.e., its the sort of coach he is 🤷‍♂️. Its only the EFL that has this ridiculous rule - and just look at the Arsenal comments crying about the GKs having penalty taker "cheat sheets"... you start making these stupid rules and all of a sudden people want new rules and start saying things are unfair. The reality is that clubs should be allowed to use these routes if they think they can gleam a benefit out of it - Otherwise where do you draw the line? Should we just ban analysts outright, not allow keepers to study past penalties or keep notes, or stop clubs monitoring real time health data? Not all clubs can afford those resources or implement it equally right? so must impact the integrity of the game...

 

[Charlie Wayman]

3 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

Which begs the question; why do it?

It's not about "Why do it" it's about the timing. The 'Why' is obvious, gather as much information as possible about your opponents before you play them and work out your strategy, tactics anmd otions accordingly for the match . We'd be on his back for gross negligence if he didn't do that.

Most things in life are about timing.

[LGTL]

Why the fuck are Boro fans still obsessing over this? They got their free pass to Wembley, and blew it. Fuck all to do with them anymore, the weird little freaks. 

[Give it to Ron]

17 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

Which begs the question; why do it?

Watch the video again from Tonda he explained it

[Give it to Ron]

1 minute ago, LGTL said:

Why the fuck are Boro fans still obsessing over this? They got their free pass to Wembley, and blew it. Fuck all to do with them anymore, the weird little freaks. 

Because they live in a shithole?

[CSA96]

From talkSPORT just now with Jim White and Simon Jordan...

White: Would you have sacked him, Simon?

Jordan: Would I have sacked him? They've been sanctioned. The manager can clearly manage, what are they supposed to do, double whammy yourself now? What's the point in falling upon your sword now? They've been sanctioned. If there was a trade off to be had with the EFL of 'if I sack my manager, do I keep my place in the playoff final?' then maybe.

But otherwise it's like being at the side of the road getting a speeding ticket and the copper asks you to now kiss his backside for five minutes. Well no. I'll kiss your backside if you're gonna let me off the speeding ticket but if you're still going to give me the ticket then just give me the bloody ticket and let me get on with my business.

[Miltonaggro]

29 minutes ago, trousers said:

The Daily Mail have spoken... From a journo who just happens to be a Wrexham biographer....

https://www.dailymail.com/sport/football/article-15864985/Southampton-Eckert-Spygate-sacked-Middlesbrough.html

 

 

 

Allegedly know as Filthy Herbert the Serial Pervert.  Make of that what you will.

[andrew7610]

You know things got bad when you find yourself agreeing with Simon Jordan on a daily basis - he's been consistently good about this whole saga

[Pilchards]

It will be interesting what the % would be in the support of Eckert after the interviews from Tonda and the owner.

I personally think you’re an idiot if you can’t support the club going forward from this.

 

 

[JohnnyShearer2.0]

3 minutes ago, andrew7610 said:

You know things got bad when you find yourself agreeing with Simon Jordan on a daily basis - he's been consistently good about this whole saga

In fairness he riles up people with the way he says stuff but at least consistent with his views (well, I think he is) and he does make a case for most of what he says. 

I dont always agree with what he says but can see his angle.

[Dman]

16 minutes ago, LGTL said:

Why the fuck are Boro fans still obsessing over this? They got their free pass to Wembley, and blew it. Fuck all to do with them anymore, the weird little freaks. 

They have a victim mentality that outdoes the Scousers. Incredible. 

[BarberSaint]

14 hours ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Imagine how many staff who have been sacked, or have grievances with clubs since the Leeds story. Yet not one has come forward and sold their story to the press, not one has contacted us or the EFL to drop the sides they have a grievance with in it. I’ve not read one report of EFL sides suspecting anyone other than us spying, and we’ve not read one report of Premier league clubs spying on other clubs. Since the Leeds story, there was nothing, not even an hint of it, until we got caught. Yet “everyone is at it”. 

Money talks.

 

And so do interns - for a fee.

[Holmes_and_Watson]

6 minutes ago, Pilchards said:

It will be interesting what the % would be in the support of Eckert after the interviews from Tonda and the owner.

I personally think you’re an idiot if you can’t support the club going forward from this.

 

 

Hey! Just 'cause I support the club, doesn't mean I'm not an idiot!...oh wait, hang on...

[Miltonaggro]

36 minutes ago, benjii said:

They are sad as fuck. 

Aren't they just.  Middlesbrough got the best possible result for them after inflaming and exaggerating the situation, and then promptly blew the opportunity gained.  What a pathetic bunch of abject losers.  Bin fire of a club!

[Thereisonlyonemickychannon]

20 minutes ago, andrew7610 said:

You know things got bad when you find yourself agreeing with Simon Jordan on a daily basis - he's been consistently good about this whole saga

He rates Tonda

[woodsaint1]

Dragan must be very confident that the FA wont ban Tonda, otherwise we could look very silly having to sack him in a few weeks/months

[Doctoroncall]

12 minutes ago, Miltonaggro said:

Aren't they just.  Middlesbrough got the best possible result for them after inflaming and exaggerating the situation, and then promptly blew the opportunity gained.  What a pathetic bunch of abject losers.  Bin fire of a club!

Have they blamed Saints for losing the final yet?

[badgerx16]

1 hour ago, trousers said:

The Daily Mail have spoken... From a journo who just happens to be a Wrexham biographer....

https://www.dailymail.com/sport/football/article-15864985/Southampton-Eckert-Spygate-sacked-Middlesbrough.html

 

 

 

Might as well be writing for the Beano.

[DrSuess1979]

I like Simon Jorden.

Speaks a lot of sense 

Even amongst all the bullshit “Southampton cheated keep flogging the dead horse” brigade.

We’ve been punished and in the “experts” eyes harshly.

Its  some of the media nobody’s that want more, why would we punish ourselves even more by getting rid of a very good young manager!!!

On a side note Jorden said with all the charges over Man City isn’t it funny how Pep isn’t branded a cheat and his legacy has not been tainted in any shape or form and nor will it be.

Edited 8 hours ago by DrSuess1979

[kitch]

1 hour ago, tdmickey3 said:

Didnt make any difference to the Fulham, Arsenal and the city game did it?

And Leicester

[Miltonaggro]

9 minutes ago, Doctoroncall said:

Have they blamed Saints for losing the final yet?

Their last ten years of failure I think.  Assume there is very little going on in Middlesbrough generally apart from inbreeding, and that the locals make the Wealdstone Raider seem like Ant Middleton.

[Hamwic]

5 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

Might as well be writing for the Beano.

Not sure he'd be welcome. The Beano was a quality publication whereas the Mail...

You decide. 

[Doctoroncall]

One thing the club will need to do with Tonda is a bit of media training on how to deal with awkward/infammatory questions. How will he respond to questions like ‘do you think you’re a cheat?’ Which will inevitably come his way. 

[hypochondriac]

Which is the most hyperbolic -breathtaking deception or morally repugnant? 

[JohnnyShearer2.0]

5 minutes ago, Doctoroncall said:

One thing the club will need to do with Tonda is a bit of media training on how to deal with awkward/infammatory questions. How will he respond to questions like ‘do you think you’re a cheat?’ Which will inevitably come his way. 

In fairness that reporter wouldn't have had the balls to say that to a more prominent manager. I thought it was bang out of order and obviously he was baiting a response 

[Ken Tone]

I hear that the club is preparing a branded red and white sackcloth and ashes onesie for supporters to wear all next season's games. 😉

[beatlesaint]

27 minutes ago, woodsaint1 said:

Dragan must be very confident that the FA wont ban Tonda, otherwise we could look very silly having to sack him in a few weeks/months

He did add the caveat that the club would appeal if he was banned. I suspect the double jepordy rule he mentions would be a major issue, if the FA want to seen to be doing something they can give him a suspended sentence then if it happens again he's toast.

Their issue would be that the club has been punished, twice. If you ban any of the analysts or Operations manager for arguments sake the club can cover those individual bans. If you ban the manager for any length of time that impacts the whole club.....and we've, as i said, already been impacted twice.

At some point you have to stop shooting the dead man.

Edited 8 hours ago by beatlesaint

[Miltonaggro]

7 minutes ago, Doctoroncall said:

One thing the club will need to do with Tonda is a bit of media training on how to deal with awkward/infammatory questions. How will he respond to questions like ‘do you think you’re a cheat?’ Which will inevitably come his way. 

I think he should just fix the googly stare, shake his head and get up and walk out again.  Would be hilarious and steer into the new Saints shithousery!

[RedArmy]

3 hours ago, Lighthouse said:

 Nor have I harassed, borderline bullied, junior members 

We really are a wet nation if a boss telling an employee to go and do what they’ve been asked to do is bullying and harassment. 

[leesaint88]

2 hours ago, LGTL said:

Why the fuck are Boro fans still obsessing over this? They got their free pass to Wembley, and blew it. Fuck all to do with them anymore, the weird little freaks. 

Time to quote a bit of Rick & Morty - "Your boos mean nothing, I've seen what makes you cheer!"

They are a fan base that seem to relish in 'winning' off the pitch in the court rooms than on it, celebrating that they almost put Derby into liquidation with the ill timed compensation claim . They don't mind the constant failure of poor managerial appointments because Gibbo is the cult master who can string the morons along. What will be the excuses next season when they fail to gain promotion? No doubt it'll be someone else's fault. 

Edited 6 hours ago by leesaint88

[CSA96]

Full segment from Simon Jordan on Eckert keeping his job:

 

[ecuk268]

Simon Jordan thinks were doing the right thing:

 

Edited 7 hours ago by ecuk268

[kitch]

5 minutes ago, CSA96 said:

Full segment from Simon Jordan on Eckert keeping his job:

 

This is a great segment. SJ has absolutely nailed it.

[Stud mark of doom]

24 minutes ago, Doctoroncall said:

One thing the club will need to do with Tonda is a bit of media training on how to deal with awkward/infammatory questions. How will he respond to questions like ‘do you think you’re a cheat?’ Which will inevitably come his way. 

This needs some pre-planning

i think Tonda should pause, affix his steeliest stare, and say “what is your name”?

then Adam or Alfie should interrupt with “dont’t tell him Pike”

That should defuse the situation. 

[Patrick Bateman]

9 minutes ago, ecuk268 said:

Simon Jordan thinks were doing the right thing:

 

Well I thought he was on the money with that - it's done, we move on. 

Side note: WTF are these people who phone in?? 

[Miltonaggro]

26 minutes ago, leesaint88 said:

Time to quote a bit of Rick & Morty - "Your boos mean nothing, I've seen what makes you cheer!"

They are a fan base that seem to relish in 'winning' off the pitch in the court rooms than on it, celebrating that they almost put Derby into liquidation with the ill timed compensation claim . They don't mind the constant failure of poor managerial appointments because Gibbo is the cult master who can string the morons along. What will be the excuses next season when they fail to gain promotion next season? No doubt it'll be someone else's fault. 

Imagine next season if we fly and these cunts bomb.  That's exactly what I expect to happen now.

Their best chance of promotion in a decade was made possible by by setting up / grassing up another side who were clearly better than them, only to blow their opportunity.  

Edited 7 hours ago by Miltonaggro

[Ted Bates Statue]

1 hour ago, JohnnyShearer2.0 said:

It's all just click bait. After champions league and now, no other news its back to the evil doers of Southampton. 

As for Alex Crook. My sources tell me that he's a cunt.

You've reminded me, the first sign that we weren't going to sack Tonda came from Alex Crook

 

[Saint_clark]

1 hour ago, andrew7610 said:

You know things got bad when you find yourself agreeing with Simon Jordan on a daily basis - he's been consistently good about this whole saga

He's never going to side with the EFL, on anything. He hates them.

[sfc4prem]

Still haven't fucking changed my mind. Protect Tonda. He's young. Has hungry eyes. Willing to learn. Managed to motive and inspire a team of players who were insipidly moving around the pitch without a fucking clue.

All aboard the Tonda train.

Choo fucking choo.

[Maggie May]

It’s hilarious how obsessed the Boro fans are with us.  They got what they wanted and still lost, but can’t seem to move on.

I’m all for forgive and forget and I’m glad we’re big enough to do so with Tonda. 

Yeah, rules were broken, but it’s legal to “spy” on training, just not 72 hours before a game, which is what so many fans of other clubs keep forgetting or can’t comprehend.  The entire football governance should ban it outright if it’s upsetting both fans and other clubs so much. 

[Southner]

54 minutes ago, ecuk268 said:

Simon Jordan thinks were doing the right thing:

 

Jim quite blatantly putting words in José's mouth, too. Even Simon references it.

Another part of the media pile on. 

[skintsaint]

56 minutes ago, CSA96 said:

Full segment from Simon Jordan on Eckert keeping his job:

 

Again, another thing that doesn't make sense with the Intern, first he heard of being caught was when he was on the train back....thought he was approached in action, ran off when confronted with a scuffle before getting changed 😅

[Saint NL]

Imagine the scene:

First game of the season, away at Middlesbrough. Saints win 2-0 and Tonda has had dogs abuse for 90+ minutes. As the final whistle blows, he grabs a giant Saints flag and runs onto the pitch ala Graeme Souness and plants it in the centre circle.

 

[S-Clarke]

Well that was an eventful few hours - it's what we've all called for, direct communication to the fans from two key people involved. They've come out and pinned their views to the mast today, and sure it'll upset the 'football community' - but we can use this to create a siege mentality and truly allow football to 'win'. 

My emotions throughout all of this have been a rollercoaster, anger, frustration, acceptance. I'd say I'm at acceptance but with a newly found tinge of anger again - not anger at the club per-say, but angry at the media and Boro and how they manipulated this entire situation to provide them with the opportunity to get the biggest reward.

I was waiting to read the full report and extracts, because we were told of bullying and 'deplorable' exchanges between the manager and interns - but that's not the case is it. Not even close. None of what we've seen released has made me go, wow, what a disgrace, instead it's made me go ''FFS, is that truly all it was?''.

The onslaught from Boro and the media treating this as some kind of crime of the century almost certainly influenced the EFL. Let's remember, before the panel actually sat the EFL recommendation for them to consider was 'expulsion' - so before we even had a chance to talk our case, they'd already decided on expulsion. 

The entire way it played out in the media was wrong. From leaking the personal details and photos of a junior member of staff, to the story changing by the day - it was behind a tree, then an open field, then in bushes, then it was an organised 007 mission - it was none of those. The picture we saw is pretty much the full story, a young kid taking a photo of some training sessions from next to a tree. Nothing ground breaking, nothing that requires someone being hung.

Of course I'll always be frustrated with the club in how they dealt with the entire thing in the direct aftermath, but the offences themselves - whilst daft - were so miniscule in the context of the dirty and murky world of professional sports, and I will always stand by the opinion that it was extremely blown of proportion. 

My anger will sit with the EFL/Boro though for how they strung us through the media, just to gain an advantage themselves. On one hand they can complain we tried to gain an advantage by spying, but they almost gained the ultimate advantage themselves by using dirty tactics throughout the media to get to the final. Two wrongs don't make a right, and they were as much on the look out for an advantage as we were.

It's a shame they can't play football and had to resort to political tactics, and yet they still failed quite spectacularly when they had to play football against Hull in their 3rd chance. That probably tells you all you need to know. 

Edited 6 hours ago by S-Clarke