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    Quote Originally Posted by tajjuk View Post
    I am not sure that is going to be a massive issue, we might have to subsidise a few but I reckon -

    I reckon Forster will take a pay cut to rejoin Celtic and they'll pay a fee, not the ridiculous £25 million quoted but we might get £8-10 for him based on performances this season. He seems to have found a home there, got his confidence back and is liked there, so I reckon he'll drop wages to join them.

    Elyounoussi similar, though I think he is on less wages here anyway, done well at Celtic, seems to be liked there so I reckon he might agree to go to Celtic and they might pay a small amount for him again maybe around the £8 million mark.

    Cedric and Yoshida are both out of contract and likely to go, that is probably £100k a week off the wages right there.

    Long I reckon we'll offer a new contract but on lower terms at his age and more as a squad role, seems an important figure in the dressing room.

    Vestergaard seems wanted and even wanted by a PL club so we should get a fee there and no need to sub wages.

    Boufal similar, seems wanted by clubs in Spain and Italy, he impressed on loan last year and I reckon we'll get a small transfer fee and he'll want to go to kick start his career.


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    Between Forster, Elnoyussi, Boufal and Vestergaard I reckon we could maybe get £30 million in transfer funds, maybe more if Vestergaard goes for £15 million plus and Forster goes for £10 million. Vestergaard is obviously attracting interest from various places and has done ok enough, with a decent previous record to keep his value. The other 3 have done well on loan (Boufal last year), that has increased their reputations to make them more valuable and less the complete write offs people predicted.

    Those four players definitely have re-sale value and as long as we don't demand stupid fees for them I reckon we'll sell them fairly easily and recoup a decent amount of money. The loans have paid off basically.


    Its Carrillo and Hoedt who are the dead weights, they have been terrible for us, and then have done terrible on loan AND have high wages, I think we'll struggle to give them away for free paying half their current wages.


    But the others coupled with those leaving for free could raise £25-30 million in funds and crucially should clear about £400k a week off the wage bill, that would give plenty of room to sign 4-5 quality players, if you add our yearly spend of about £50 million.
    Celtic record transfer fee is 9 million. Not sure they’d spend that much on Forster and Elyounousi?

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    Quote Originally Posted by qwertyell View Post
    Sell Vestergaard, replace him with Kristoffer Ajer at Celtic, paid for with Forster or Elyounoussi, kill multiple birds with one stone.

    Deadwood out, quality replacement in, no money spent, £15m-18m into the kitty. Everyone wins.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fookwit View Post
    Celtic record transfer fee is 9 million. Not sure theyíd spend that much on Forster and Elyounousi?
    True, but they can probably stretch to £8-10.

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    Quote Originally Posted by egg View Post
    Blimey!!! I'll pay for the petrol.
    Has anyone told Rogers about Hoedt, we could a BOGOF.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saint Fan CaM View Post
    Was it Rogers that took some of our lot to Anfield or am I getting muddled? Perhaps he knows something we donít (!). Sure JV made a mistake against Palace, but come on, most players do and we kept a clean sheet. If thereís little aerial threat in opposition, JV could be considered good enough for a mid-table Prem side given the relatively low price. I think if we are looking to offload it will be for reasons not connected to performance alone.
    It wasn't a 'mistake' it was a reckless piece of overconfidence compounded by the complete lack of energy he displayed in trying to get back towards the ball. If Tosun had forced a save and the ball had bounced back out into the box, Vest would still have been jogging back towards the D with a rueful look on his face. No excuse for that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tajjuk View Post
    I am not sure that is going to be a massive issue, we might have to subsidise a few but I reckon -

    I reckon Forster will take a pay cut to rejoin Celtic and they'll pay a fee, not the ridiculous £25 million quoted but we might get £8-10 for him based on performances this season. He seems to have found a home there, got his confidence back and is liked there, so I reckon he'll drop wages to join them.

    Elyounoussi similar, though I think he is on less wages here anyway, done well at Celtic, seems to be liked there so I reckon he might agree to go to Celtic and they might pay a small amount for him again maybe around the £8 million mark.

    Cedric and Yoshida are both out of contract and likely to go, that is probably £100k a week off the wages right there.

    Long I reckon we'll offer a new contract but on lower terms at his age and more as a squad role, seems an important figure in the dressing room.

    Vestergaard seems wanted and even wanted by a PL club so we should get a fee there and no need to sub wages.

    Boufal similar, seems wanted by clubs in Spain and Italy, he impressed on loan last year and I reckon we'll get a small transfer fee and he'll want to go to kick start his career.


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    Between Forster, Elnoyussi, Boufal and Vestergaard I reckon we could maybe get £30 million in transfer funds, maybe more if Vestergaard goes for £15 million plus and Forster goes for £10 million. Vestergaard is obviously attracting interest from various places and has done ok enough, with a decent previous record to keep his value. The other 3 have done well on loan (Boufal last year), that has increased their reputations to make them more valuable and less the complete write offs people predicted.

    Those four players definitely have re-sale value and as long as we don't demand stupid fees for them I reckon we'll sell them fairly easily and recoup a decent amount of money. The loans have paid off basically.


    Its Carrillo and Hoedt who are the dead weights, they have been terrible for us, and then have done terrible on loan AND have high wages, I think we'll struggle to give them away for free paying half their current wages.


    But the others coupled with those leaving for free could raise £25-30 million in funds and crucially should clear about £400k a week off the wage bill, that would give plenty of room to sign 4-5 quality players, if you add our yearly spend of about £50 million.
    Hoedt has actually done very well on loan this season, though maybe that says something about the Belgian league.

    https://www.voetbalprimeur.be/nieuws...transfers.html

    Agree with everything else. The way I see it we have been limited in our ability to spend because of the amount of dross we have clogging up the wage bill, this could be the year we finally manage to cut most of them loose.

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    Bite their hands off for vj.. tbh I think he’s worse then Hoedt at least Hoedt had a couple of good games.. vestergaard always just looks like a lumbering oaf.. he’s even crap in the air for someone so huge

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cartman View Post
    Hoedt has actually done very well on loan this season, though maybe that says something about the Belgian league.

    https://www.voetbalprimeur.be/nieuws...transfers.html

    Agree with everything else. The way I see it we have been limited in our ability to spend because of the amount of dross we have clogging up the wage bill, this could be the year we finally manage to cut most of them loose.
    Did Hoedt doing well include getting sent off inside 8 minutes the other day?


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    Quote Originally Posted by DT View Post
    Did Hoedt doing well include getting sent off inside 8 minutes the other day?


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    So he did. At least they won, though they were actually 1-0 down when he was sent off so it only makes him look worse. Mouez Hassen was the opposition keeper.
    The vote results I posted are from January 3rd and refer to the first half of the season, so no, it doesn't include that game.

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    Hoedt has been bang average at best. IMO, still turd, even at Jupiler Pro level. Same with Forster, though some on here will tell you letting in 1.4 shots per game in Scotland equates to England form.

    As for transfers, would love us to look at the following;


    YOUCEF ATAL
    VICTOR WANYAMA
    ADEMOLA LOOKMAN
    HENRY ONYEKURU
    MOSES SIMON

    Also, Conor Gallagher (Chelsea), Reiss Nelson (Arsenal), Phil Billing (Bournemouth), Callum Wilson (Bournemouth), Emi Buendia (Norwich).

    Need a backup GK, and another CB desperately - missed a trick on Pongracic, genuinely a decent CB.

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    Quote Originally Posted by egg View Post
    Blimey!!! I'll pay for the petrol.
    Iíll get the Pringles and the M&Ms!!

    Whoíd have thought, an approach for our cart horse, lanky, totem pole would bring some harmony to the forum!! Made me chuckle and, must admit, after a rare moment totally dumbfounded reading the story, it made my day.

    We had best not be the usual, money hungry tw*ts over this. Just think, if this was couple of weeks ago, we couldíve shifted out BFG & potentially brought in Pongracic and made a profit. Too late for that now but Iím hoping our scouts have been heavily scouting centre backs and full backs for quite some time so have a series of targets...ideally who donít play for Fulham.

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    Especially if Cedric is out for 3/4 weeks so even then it would only leave him with us for 10 games, so surely if there was any truth in the Maehle rumours now is the time to make it happen not the summer

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    Offer Forster and Elyounoussi plus a sell on fee to Celtic for Ajer, he is going to be a top quality centre back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saint_clark View Post
    Offer Forster and Elyounoussi plus a sell on fee to Celtic for Ajer, he is going to be a top quality centre back.
    Celtic won't be able to get near their wages.

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    Sell Vest to Leicester for 15M, and PEH to Everton for 35M. 50M should be enough for Ralph to get 3 to 4 emerging jems from Austria/Germany - markets he should know very well. Job done! After all we are investing everything we receive back in to the club right? Difference in wages (although there should not be much as these are two of our top earners), agents fees, new kit embossing, change of names on lockers, new entry passes, watches etc. etc. can be covered by selling Forster for 8 to 10M.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Red View Post
    Sell Vest to Leicester for 15M, and PEH to Everton for 35M. 50M should be enough for Ralph to get 3 to 4 emerging jems from Austria/Germany - markets he should know very well. Job done! After all we are investing everything we receive back in to the club right? Difference in wages (although there should not be much as these are two of our top earners), agents fees, new kit embossing, change of names on lockers, new entry passes, watches etc. etc. can be covered by selling Forster for 8 to 10M.
    We thought we were going to do that last summer but didn't. What makes you think we will do it this year?

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    From what I can see, we needed cover at full back and better centre backs before the window. The club made noises that we'll be strengthening.
    We've since lost one of our existing full backs to injury and seem to be selling one of our experienced cover options at centre back if rumors are to be believed.

    Chances are there will be no incoming. So, another classic Saints transfer window where we weaken the squad and hope that no-one gets injured between now and May.

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    Brighton have signed Aaron Mooy permanently. Shame. Would have loved him at St Mary's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DT View Post
    Brighton have signed Aaron Mooy permanently. Shame. Would have loved him at St Mary's.
    Were heavily linked in the summer IIRC. Good player.

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    Mooy's too slow. He's half decent but he's not what we need, JWP is better IMO. We need a Lemina type without the attitude, someone who wants to be here and can play consistently.

    Such a dull window full stop. Not sure if that means clubs are learning or there's just fewer willing to let players go. Imagine it'll be a quiet deadline with a few loans here and there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fookwit View Post
    Celtic record transfer fee is 9 million. Not sure they’d spend that much on Forster and Elyounousi?
    Well I said around that value, they sold Tierney last summer for £25 million and I'd reckon they might lose another player like Edouard or Ajer this year anyway, plus I think over the last two seasons they are up around £20 million in player sales, so getting them to spend maybe like £15-16 million Forster and Mo is not that unrealistic, I think its wages more than transfer fees that would be the problem, their highest earners are around about £30k a week, Forster is on more than double that.


    Really does make you notice that we should be picking up some of these players that Celtic manage to pick up, they seem to find some real good talents.

    Or as others have said we could use them to makeweight in deals for someone like Ajer, though player exchange deals never seem to actually happen.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cartman View Post
    Hoedt has actually done very well on loan this season, though maybe that says something about the Belgian league.

    https://www.voetbalprimeur.be/nieuws...transfers.html

    Agree with everything else. The way I see it we have been limited in our ability to spend because of the amount of dross we have clogging up the wage bill, this could be the year we finally manage to cut most of them loose.
    Issue is even if he has done ok, its the Belgian league so not going to impress many clubs in Europes top leagues and clubs in Belguim or like Holland have no money.

    Best hope for getting some money out of Hoedt I reckon is a mid table Italian team go for him based on his performances for Lazio where he was quite good and rated, but wages will still be an issue, I recon we'll be paying a good chunk of his wages for the remainder of his contract even if we do manage to shift him.

    Its the double edged sword of the PL riches, we can attract the players with the big fees and big wages like no other smaller clubs in Europes can, but then if we want to sell the player and there are no PL takers, it makes shifting them much harder.


    Quote Originally Posted by whiteleySaint30 View Post
    We thought we were going to do that last summer but didn't. What makes you think we will do it this year?
    Well we spent over £50 million last year anyway, we spend that pretty much every year and I think we can afford to do the same this year with the PL money.

    It's wages that is the problem, we need to shift wages out to get new players in, to remain sustainable and stick with FFP, I think when you look at out of contract players, players being wanted (Vestergaard, Hojberg) and players doing well on loan (Forster, Mo, Boufal) I think it'll be easier for the club to do deals this summer than last year.

    Even more so if we finish higher in the league and get in a good name for the player recruitment role who might have sway on the continent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DT View Post
    Brighton have signed Aaron Mooy permanently. Shame. Would have loved him at St Mary's.
    Good player but at 29, probably wasn't ever a target recently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperSAINT View Post
    Good player but at 29, probably wasn't ever a target recently.
    It's not like a new signing, he was already there on loan. I expe t there were terms and conditions that would have made it difficult fkr anyone else to sign him and clearly he is happy there anyway.

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    Mooy's fine, but JWP does a similar job to him but better. Also JWP has the advantage of his dead-ball ability and is 5 years younger.

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    Tracking Jonathan David, as many clubs are... so heíll end up elsewhere.

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    SSN reporting West Ham have bid £10m for Matty Cash at Forest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperSAINT View Post
    SSN reporting West Ham have bid £10m for Matty Cash at Forest.
    Now we'll see if we're interested. Reading the Forest forums they don't need to sell but think 15-18 million could do it. Typical West Ham going in low though.

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    Cash sounds like a good option for DM/RB, provides a lot of cover and doubt Cedric will stay much longer anyway. Be great to get him.

    I know WH will offer higher wages but they also offer a relegation fight and an utter mess of a club. Players know they're more likely to develop here, even despite a few flops in recent years.

    £12m in today's market seems like a decent price too. Would take selling Vestergaard to cover it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by adriansfc View Post
    Cash sounds like a good option for DM/RB, provides a lot of cover and doubt Cedric will stay much longer anyway. Be great to get him.

    I know WH will offer higher wages but they also offer a relegation fight and an utter mess of a club. Players know they're more likely to develop here, even despite a few flops in recent years.

    £12m in today's market seems like a decent price too. Would take selling Vestergaard to cover it.
    I must say I do like the cut of his jib - seems as if RH was interested when at RB. As to the dosh - i think Iíve seen RH quoted that the money is there but itís got to be for the right player ie not another Hoedt, lemonade, Carrillo - we cant afford those types of **** ups

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    https://www.footballinsider247.com/s...rom-tottenham/

    Favourites for perm signing of KWP according to this.

    Leeds moving on from Adams by lining up JK Augustin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dusic View Post
    https://www.footballinsider247.com/s...rom-tottenham/

    Favourites for perm signing of KWP according to this.

    Leeds moving on from Adams by lining up JK Augustin.
    Not keen on signing a spurs cast off. Can't recall a signing from them that has worked out, Paul Allen had a few good games under Alan Ball but ended up going out on aloan then a free, David Howells, Fourpast, and long ago Frank Saul. Maehle seemed to ahve something about him, shame taht hasn't been pursued if we've suddenly got £15m out of Gao's piggy bank.

    Surprised we're not looking at Augustin given his time with RH at Leipzig, although he certainly hasn't pulled up any trees on his current loan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dusic View Post
    https://www.footballinsider247.com/s...rom-tottenham/

    Favourites for perm signing of KWP according to this.

    Leeds moving on from Adams by lining up JK Augustin.
    The RB Leipzig striker?!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Badger View Post
    Not keen on signing a spurs cast off. Can't recall a signing from them that has worked out, Paul Allen had a few good games under Alan Ball but ended up going out on aloan then a free, David Howells, Fourpast, and long ago Frank Saul. Maehle seemed to ahve something about him, shame taht hasn't been pursued if we've suddenly got £15m out of Gao's piggy bank.

    Surprised we're not looking at Augustin given his time with RH at Leipzig, although he certainly hasn't pulled up any trees on his current loan.
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    Kwp: really hope not. Buying from Spurs will never work


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    Quote Originally Posted by Badger View Post
    Not keen on signing a spurs cast off. Can't recall a signing from them that has worked out, Paul Allen had a few good games under Alan Ball but ended up going out on aloan then a free, David Howells, Fourpast, and long ago Frank Saul. Maehle seemed to ahve something about him, shame taht hasn't been pursued if we've suddenly got £15m out of Gao's piggy bank.

    Surprised we're not looking at Augustin given his time with RH at Leipzig, although he certainly hasn't pulled up any trees on his current loan.
    Thought Frank Saul was quite decent lol

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    How times change...

    Leeds United are close to completing the signing of French striker Jean-Kevin Augustin. The 22-year-old is currently on loan at Monaco from RB Leipzig but is struggling for game time. (L'Equipe - in French)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charlie Wayman View Post
    How times change...

    Leeds United are close to completing the signing of French striker Jean-Kevin Augustin. The 22-year-old is currently on loan at Monaco from RB Leipzig but is struggling for game time. (L'Equipe - in French)
    wasnt he deemed out of our price range not too long ago?

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    I'd tell Leeds to jog on! give them Che Adams and we'll take Jean-Kevin Augustin

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    Seem to recall the last striker we signed who couldn't get a game at Monaco wasn't a raging success...

    That said, he couldn't be worse than Adams, could he?

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    So we shouldnít buy a player from Spurs because previous signings from them havenít worked out, brilliant.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Badger View Post
    Not keen on signing a spurs cast off. Can't recall a signing from them that has worked out, Paul Allen had a few good games under Alan Ball but ended up going out on aloan then a free, David Howells, Fourpast, and long ago Frank Saul. Maehle seemed to ahve something about him, shame taht hasn't been pursued if we've suddenly got £15m out of Gao's piggy bank.
    Both of your points are completely irrelevant

    Being a player not deemed good enough for Spurs doesn't mean he wouldn't be for Saints.

    How past signings from Spurs have done at Saints had no bearing at all on how they'd do at Saints

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    Quote Originally Posted by Batman View Post
    wasnt he deemed out of our price range not too long ago?

    This is the modern market problem for clubs like Saints. A player with potential or having done vaguely alright costs a fortune. But it only takes a poor half season or season and their value collapses, like Hoedt or Lemina.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Badger View Post
    Not keen on signing a spurs cast off. Can't recall a signing from them that has worked out, Paul Allen had a few good games under Alan Ball but ended up going out on aloan then a free, David Howells, Fourpast, and long ago Frank Saul. Maehle seemed to ahve something about him, shame taht hasn't been pursued if we've suddenly got £15m out of Gao's piggy bank.

    Surprised we're not looking at Augustin given his time with RH at Leipzig, although he certainly hasn't pulled up any trees on his current loan.
    Agree not sure why we’d want to pay that sort of fee for a spurs youth product with little experience and who has impressed so little for them.
    People rightly give Bournemouth grief for forking over large fees for player’s just because they once spent a day in a Liverpool top.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baird of the land View Post
    Agree not sure why weíd want to pay that sort of fee for a spurs youth product with little experience and who has impressed so little for them.
    People rightly give Bournemouth grief for forking over large fees for playerís just because they once spent a day in a Liverpool top.
    Itís the same fee as Targett do you think that was correct then?


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    For a team that plays 2 up front, I’d be looking to hijack the Augustien deal to give us some strength in depth for the rest of the season. (And annoy Leeds twice in one window...)

    As for KWP, yes but for nowhere near £15 million that article quotes. If Maehle has been priced at £7.5 million by Genk, I can’t see us not paying that then going for KWP at double the price. Because he’s English? Then for similar money go for Matty Cash who is more versatile and has more experience at the same age.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SNSUN View Post
    For a team that plays 2 up front, Iíd be looking to hijack the Augustien deal to give us some strength in depth for the rest of the season. (And annoy Leeds twice in one window...)

    As for KWP, yes but for nowhere near £15 million that article quotes. If Maehle has been priced at £7.5 million by Genk, I canít see us not paying that then going for KWP at double the price. Because heís English? Then for similar money go for Matty Cash who is more versatile and has more experience at the same age.
    We don't need 5 strikers.

    Re Maehle, the fact nobody else is going for him either is perhaps telling?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Give it to Ron View Post
    It’s the same fee as Targett do you think that was correct then?


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    Targett had far greater experience. 61 vs 12

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    Quote Originally Posted by adriansfc View Post
    This is the modern market problem for clubs like Saints. A player with potential or having done vaguely alright costs a fortune. But it only takes a poor half season or season and their value collapses, like Hoedt or Lemina.
    Why canít saints pay £30-£40m for a player? Watford, Palace, Newcastle, West Ham, wolves and Leicester can

    Even the likes of Villa, Fulham, Brighton and Bournemouth have a bigger record transfer fee than us

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    Quote Originally Posted by SKD View Post
    As as with ever window, Saints will over promise and under deliver.


    1 week to prove me wrong, Saints.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matthew Le God View Post
    Both of your points are completely irrelevant

    Being a player not deemed good enough for Spurs doesn't mean he wouldn't be for Saints.

    How past signings from Spurs have done at Saints had no bearing at all on how they'd do at Saints
    Quite right. Look what a great signing we had from Spurs in Tommy Fourpast!!

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