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1 hour ago, Wade Garrett said:

This cross-analysis of Semmens comments about Ings reminds me of The Life of Brian.

I’m not the messiah.

Only the true messiah denies his divinity.  

Ok then, I am the messiah.

He is the messiah.

He said that Ings won't sign until the summer, which means he'll be in his last year under contract. Who was the last first team player (or manager) we had in that position that saw out their contract and left on a free?

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19 minutes ago, verlaine1979 said:

He said that Ings won't sign until the summer, which means he'll be in his last year under contract. Who was the last first team player (or manager) we had in that position that saw out their contract and left on a free?

Don t forget Ings left to Liverpool from Burnley when his contract expired. It is not like he is a stranger to the situation.

probably likes to earn a fat signing on fee

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11 hours ago, stevy777_x said:

Don t forget Ings left to Liverpool from Burnley when his contract expired. It is not like he is a stranger to the situation.

probably likes to earn a fat signing on fee

True, though his stock is very high now which is why the big clubs are interested.  There is a chance his form drops off next season and the better offers will come from mid-table teams instead.  This is definitely the most certain time to secure a move to a champions league club.

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I think this Champions League Club stuff is a red herring. Suspect Spurs are the main suitors, and they're not confirmed for that by any means. My guess would be Levy trying to get him on the cheap (opening that old Saints-rape trope again), to replace Kane after he goes to PSG for megabucks. Not sure he'll go to City. Either way we need to either have balls and keep Ings given him staying will keep others and enable us more cash in a higher finish (temporarily) or ensure we get paid better than the miserable amount we had to let Hojberg go for. (and even less on the Toby front)

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The club could call ings' bluff on this tbf. Next year of his contract he'll be 30 and carries a bad injury history. His stock may not be as high then either... Leaves him with a dilemma over long term security should his form drop off or he get badly injured etc. Equally his suiters may look somewhere else if he doesn't move this summer.

Would be a very bold call by the club and could back fire ofc. 

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7 minutes ago, Saint86 said:

The club could call ings' bluff on this tbf. Next year of his contract he'll be 30 and carries a bad injury history. His stock may not be as high then either... Leaves him with a dilemma over long term security should his form drop off or he get badly injured etc. Equally his suiters may look somewhere else if he doesn't move this summer.

Would be a very bold call by the club and could back fire ofc. 

It could backfire BUT if the club know they will only get 20 million for him this summer (no bidding war, just one club interested) do they take the gamble that his goals will earn them that with a much higher league placing next season?

Its a gamble but when you keep hearing the line about him being here until his contract ends you would like to think it’s something they have given thought to.

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1 minute ago, S-Clarke said:

If you're going to spend big dollar on a striker, it surely has to be Haaland? The guy is the most natural finisher I've ever seen.

I think he's got a £60-70m release clause at Dortmund too, they are probably regretting that low amount!

That rather puts some of the estimates on here of Ings' value at £60-70m in perspective!

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15 minutes ago, SaveloyMush said:

That rather puts some of the estimates on here of Ings' value at £60-70m in perspective!

It’s more a complete undervaluation of Haaland, and presumably was a factor in him agreeing to join Dortmund over other clubs. Benteke, Joelinton, Andy Carroll all cost upwards of £30million within the last 10 years and I reckon Ings has almost outscored them all combined just this season alone! 

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On 24/01/2021 at 10:00, tajjuk said:

Reports now Everton and Leicester sniffing around. 

I'd imagine he'll be our number one target. 

We 100% need to think about life beyond Vardy and Ings would fit like a glove. You look at all the other teams and they got strikers who can play on for years, so Ings could find himself getting only a few minutes here or there for three years.  Wasn't it Rodgers who signed him for Liverpool also?

Looks like he's weighing up his options, so it's whether you guys want to hold onto him and perhaps lose him on a free or cash in and use the money on a replacement. 

Apologies if anyone takes offence, just trying to give a Leicester point of view.

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4 minutes ago, saintwbu said:

It’s more a complete undervaluation of Haaland, and presumably was a factor in him agreeing to join Dortmund over other clubs. Benteke, Joelinton, Andy Carroll all cost upwards of £30million within the last 10 years and I reckon Ings has almost outscored them all combined just this season alone! 

I agree, I was being a little facetious.

Nevertheless, I don't think we will see another Neymar-esque £200m transfer for a very long time.

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21 minutes ago, babyblue said:

I'd imagine he'll be our number one target. 

We 100% need to think about life beyond Vardy and Ings would fit like a glove. You look at all the other teams and they got strikers who can play on for years, so Ings could find himself getting only a few minutes here or there for three years.  Wasn't it Rodgers who signed him for Liverpool also?

Looks like he's weighing up his options, so it's whether you guys want to hold onto him and perhaps lose him on a free or cash in and use the money on a replacement. 

Apologies if anyone takes offence, just trying to give a Leicester point of view.

Interesting what you say but with all due respect unless you make top 4 I’m not sure LCFC are big enough - clearly a different conversation if you do get CL. 
 

I like seeing other supporters on the forum with balanced reasoned opinions. I often look at other forums and have posted on a few but have sometimes been met with total vitriol - avoid WBA as they appear just plain ignorant and rude!!

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On 25/01/2021 at 18:54, wadesmith said:

Just pissed off really. Pissed off with lockdown..just thought I’d take it out on that poster. Could have been anyone tbh! I don’t even think I read his/her post when I responded.

Understandable, this lockdown is much, much worse than first time around. I am retired with seemingly, not a care in the world, yet I wake up in a panic at 3.00 o'clock and can't get back to sleep,  then fall asleep in a chair in front of the stove about 2.00 o'clock in the afternoon and feel REALLY old.

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36 minutes ago, Medrurkin said:

Understandable, this lockdown is much, much worse than first time around. I am retired with seemingly, not a care in the world, yet I wake up in a panic at 3.00 o'clock and can't get back to sleep,  then fall asleep in a chair in front of the stove about 2.00 o'clock in the afternoon and feel REALLY old.

I thought I was a master of not doing anything in particular until the lockdowns started , might be because the pubs are closed of course ! Siestas are supposed to be good for you but they just mean a bad nights sleep for me.

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21 hours ago, verlaine1979 said:

He said that Ings won't sign until the summer, which means he'll be in his last year under contract. Who was the last first team player (or manager) we had in that position that saw out their contract and left on a free?

Cedric

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8 hours ago, The Kraken said:

We got a (loan) fee for Cedric, and he left a few months before his contract ended.

Don’t want to go all mlg on you but he left us at the end of his contract.  He was still our player those final 6 months, even if we loaned him to the arse and got a fee for that

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16 hours ago, bangkoksaint said:

Interesting what you say but with all due respect unless you make top 4 I’m not sure LCFC are big enough - clearly a different conversation if you do get CL. 
 

I like seeing other supporters on the forum with balanced reasoned opinions. I often look at other forums and have posted on a few but have sometimes been met with total vitriol - avoid WBA as they appear just plain ignorant and rude!!

Very much down to what Danny is looking for I suppose. Looking at the accounts we pay out about £35-40m per season more in wages, so having rid the wage bill of a large number of players recently (and in the summer). There will be cash flow to provide him with a large financial offer. 

Then you look at game time, if he wants that then is a "traditional" champions league club going to offer him that? Despite him being a very good player, Man City, Arsenal, Chelsea, Man U, Liverpool are unlikely to want him? Spurs might, but then you have Kane who is always going to be in front of you. Everton will be they've got DCL as their main man. 

Here we have a striker who'll be 35 next season, so the pathway is there to being the main man. Good money, Europe (hopefully), unreal training facility, ground expansion to 42,000 on the horizon. I'm bias, but I think we're currently an attractive proposition for players. 

Of course then he also has the opportunity to stay at a cracking club like Southampton. 

Again, no disrespect meant coming on and talking about us potentially being after one of your players. I know it's always a touchy subject when coming from an opponent. 

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7 minutes ago, babyblue said:

Very much down to what Danny is looking for I suppose. Looking at the accounts we pay out about £35-40m per season more in wages, so having rid the wage bill of a large number of players recently (and in the summer). There will be cash flow to provide him with a large financial offer. 

Then you look at game time, if he wants that then is a "traditional" champions league club going to offer him that? Despite him being a very good player, Man City, Arsenal, Chelsea, Man U, Liverpool are unlikely to want him? Spurs might, but then you have Kane who is always going to be in front of you. Everton will be they've got DCL as their main man. 

Here we have a striker who'll be 35 next season, so the pathway is there to being the main man. Good money, Europe (hopefully), unreal training facility, ground expansion to 42,000 on the horizon. I'm bias, but I think we're currently an attractive proposition for players. 

Of course then he also has the opportunity to stay at a cracking club like Southampton. 

Again, no disrespect meant coming on and talking about us potentially being after one of your players. I know it's always a touchy subject when coming from an opponent. 

If he does leave, then yourselves or Everton are the best bet for him in terms of regular game time.

I'd say clubs of your level are his level....if he steps up further to a Liverpool, Man City etc then he will end up on the bench as they chase the European super stars.

You'd be a good fit for him for years to come if he did leave. It's just a shame we don't have owners who could provide a similar level of ambition to that of yours, but there we go.

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6 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

If he does leave, then yourselves or Everton are the best bet for him in terms of regular game time.

I'd say clubs of your level are his level....if he steps up further to a Liverpool, Man City etc then he will end up on the bench as they chase the European super stars.

You'd be a good fit for him for years to come if he did leave. It's just a shame we don't have owners who could provide a similar level of ambition to that of yours, but there we go.

By ambition, what you really mean is chucking large sums of money into a football club.

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6 minutes ago, babyblue said:

Very much down to what Danny is looking for I suppose. Looking at the accounts we pay out about £35-40m per season more in wages, so having rid the wage bill of a large number of players recently (and in the summer). There will be cash flow to provide him with a large financial offer. 

Then you look at game time, if he wants that then is a "traditional" champions league club going to offer him that? Despite him being a very good player, Man City, Arsenal, Chelsea, Man U, Liverpool are unlikely to want him? Spurs might, but then you have Kane who is always going to be in front of you. Everton will be they've got DCL as their main man. 

Here we have a striker who'll be 35 next season, so the pathway is there to being the main man. Good money, Europe (hopefully), unreal training facility, ground expansion to 42,000 on the horizon. I'm bias, but I think we're currently an attractive proposition for players. 

Of course then he also has the opportunity to stay at a cracking club like Southampton. 

Again, no disrespect meant coming on and talking about us potentially being after one of your players. I know it's always a touchy subject when coming from an opponent. 

Pipe down sunshine,  all you did was copy us. Leicester have copied the Southampton model – Les Reed – iSPORTCONNECT

 

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1 hour ago, Lighthouse said:

By ambition, what you really mean is chucking large sums of money into a football club.

No, not at all. I wouldn't want that. I don't know why people equate showing ambition to spending endless money.

I guess all I've ever wanted from the ownership is a plan. 'This is why we've bought the club'  'This is what we want to do'  'It will take some time, but we want to take this club to this level''. 

Just providing us some flexibility and agility in the transfer market is all I ask for. We have to sell before we can even get a freebie and that will kill us eventually.

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1 minute ago, S-Clarke said:

No, not at all. I wouldn't want that. I don't know why people equate showing ambition to spending endless money.

I guess all I've ever wanted from the ownership is a plan. 'This is why we've bought the club'  'This is what we want to do'  'It will take some time, but we want to take this club to this level''. 

Just providing us some flexibility and agility in the transfer market is all I ask for. We have to sell before we can even get a freebie and that will kill us eventually.

Hasn't he done that via Semmens and Steele?

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9 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

No, not at all. I wouldn't want that. I don't know why people equate showing ambition to spending endless money.

I guess all I've ever wanted from the ownership is a plan. 'This is why we've bought the club'  'This is what we want to do'  'It will take some time, but we want to take this club to this level''. 

Just providing us some flexibility and agility in the transfer market is all I ask for. We have to sell before we can even get a freebie and that will kill us eventually.

Without anyone chucking large sums of money in, I don't see an alternative to the model that the board are pursuing.  It had worked OK right up to the point we blew the VVD money on some truly horrendous transfers - we were paying for those decisions even before covid hit, now it is just magnified.

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22 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

No, not at all. I wouldn't want that. I don't know why people equate showing ambition to spending endless money.

I guess all I've ever wanted from the ownership is a plan. 'This is why we've bought the club'  'This is what we want to do'  'It will take some time, but we want to take this club to this level''. 

Just providing us some flexibility and agility in the transfer market is all I ask for. We have to sell before we can even get a freebie and that will kill us eventually.

However it gets dressed up it still boils down to please don't sell players and please buy more players.

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3 hours ago, CB Fry said:

However it gets dressed up it still boils down to please don't sell players and please buy more players.

So what, you don't buy a Ferrari if you can't afford to run it. (waits for jokes about saints being more Ford Escort)

Saints fans are pretty level headed and don't expect money spent ala Man City, but at the same time football clubs are money pits and anyone buying a club should know this and if they're not willing to spend money they shouldn't be buying clubs.

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Always welcome respectful fans of other teams, and Babyblue seems a good egg.

All we know so far is that Ings wants to see what other options may be available to him, so he doesn't want to sign the contract extension until the end of the season.

If he is after CL football, then he needs a top 4 side. He was with Liverpool and couldn't get back into their side after injury. Then we came in to bring him back to his local area.

If he wants more money, then other clubs will be able to outbid us, we accept that. Often its those clubs who have delusions of grandeur and are prepared to spend big. West Ham are usually the club we all use in that space. 

So, Ings needs to be sure on his priorities. We can offer him a regular starting place, a top of our budget salary, a coaching role to evolve into one day. We accept we are unlikely to make top 6 and it would be unusual to win silverware. But he is valued here and can be a club legend.

If he really decides to move on, then we would hope he would go for a side where he gets a semi-regular place. Leicester would be a good option, if he can accept being sub to Vardy at this stage and hopefully his successor after that. I also think Man City need a decent striker. Aguero looks to be off in the summer. Jesus is well out of form. Ings could get a place there and at a decent wage. Man Utd, Liverpool, Tottenham, Chelsea and Arsenal don't need him, IMHO. We're hoping he doesn't really want to go to West Ham, or Everton as they're no better than us and just pay more.

I guess we're not going to rock the boat until the summer, but then a decision needs to be made. We can't let Ings run the contract down to zero and then walk away for free.

@Babyblue, if your team's offer could include Barnes. Maddison and one of the FB's, we'd like the sound of your offer. :)

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9 minutes ago, Millbrook Saint said:

So what, you don't buy a Ferrari if you can't afford to run it. (waits for jokes about saints being more Ford Escort)

Saints fans are pretty level headed and don't expect money spent ala Man City, but at the same time football clubs are money pits and anyone buying a club should know this and if they're not willing to spend money they shouldn't be buying clubs.

I dont think many fans are level headed these days to be honest. They all want more more more more. We need to sign him, him and him, we need to strengthen here, here and here. It's never ending. I've never understood how we can be the only club in the premier league that has to sell players to sign them but it it isn't going to change, Steele has already said when reporting on the accounts that we need to generate funds to be active in the transfer market in the summer so i'm fully expecting one or two major exits. If we go back to 2014-16 when we sold high and replaced with god players then brilliant no problem with selling to buy, if we go down the 17-19 model of signing the likes of Hoedt, Carillo, Lemina and co then not so brilliant. 

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24 minutes ago, Millbrook Saint said:

So what, you don't buy a Ferrari if you can't afford to run it. (waits for jokes about saints being more Ford Escort)

Saints fans are pretty level headed and don't expect money spent ala Man City, but at the same time football clubs are money pits and anyone buying a club should know this and if they're not willing to spend money they shouldn't be buying clubs.

So football club owners should just suck it up but football fans should just get what they want. Clear.

At the end of the day we are where we are, and it's similar to where we have been in years gone by. Sell to buy, hope the kids do well, bring players in with the attraction of being a reliable stepping stone to bigger things with the disadvantage of players then leaving because of that.

It would be nice if we were slightly less skint but on the flip side the manager is great and is getting value from players previously considered a waste of money (Vestergaard) or just shit (Stephens).

And we are not Newcastle.

All things point to Ings leaving which us disappointing as it felt like he would give us longer. He's basically been better than many thought including him I'd guess.

 

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48 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

So football club owners should just suck it up but football fans should just get what they want. Clear.

At the end of the day we are where we are, and it's similar to where we have been in years gone by. Sell to buy, hope the kids do well, bring players in with the attraction of being a reliable stepping stone to bigger things with the disadvantage of players then leaving because of that.

It would be nice if we were slightly less skint but on the flip side the manager is great and is getting value from players previously considered a waste of money (Vestergaard) or just shit (Stephens).

And we are not Newcastle.

All things point to Ings leaving which us disappointing as it felt like he would give us longer. He's basically been better than many thought including him I'd guess.

 

No, owners shouldn't just suck it up, but to buy a premier league club and not expect to spend any money is a tad stupid, it won't be long before your premier league club is championship club.  Whether we like it or not, money needs to be spent in this league just to stand still, an owner thinking he doesn't need to spend is an idiot.  If you don't want to spend money, then don't buy a fucking football club.

I don't mind bringing kids through, selling the odd player here and there, but it would be nice for once to be able to buy a player without having to worry about balancing the books, how many other clubs in the premier league have to do this?

The manager might be getting us through at the moment, but how long will it be before he starts thinking we're holding him back and he buggers off to a club who may offer even modest investment.  Then we'll be back to square one again, look how long it took us to get over losing Koeman.

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4 hours ago, CB Fry said:

So football club owners should just suck it up but football fans should just get what they want. Clear.

At the end of the day we are where we are, and it's similar to where we have been in years gone by. Sell to buy, hope the kids do well, bring players in with the attraction of being a reliable stepping stone to bigger things with the disadvantage of players then leaving because of that.

It would be nice if we were slightly less skint but on the flip side the manager is great and is getting value from players previously considered a waste of money (Vestergaard) or just shit (Stephens).

And we are not Newcastle.

All things point to Ings leaving which us disappointing as it felt like he would give us longer. He's basically been better than many thought including him I'd guess.

 

Spot on. Too many spoilt fans feel a right to get what they want, and for owners to inject cash. The value of our club won't go up by £70m if Gao throws £70m at players. He'd have to be an idiot to do that, not that I think he has the cash.

We'd all like to see us attract and keep better players but that's not where we are. The irony though is that we're not in the mess we are because of a lack of player spending (someone highlighted the 17-19 period) but because we spent money on shite that have no resale value, and cost us money whilst other clubs used them or they sit in the stands. Gao released the money for the signings, yet he gets pelted for the decisions of the football people that he put his faith in. If he was the mercenary people suggest that money wouldn't have been spent. 

The Ings departure is unfortunate, but listening to Semmens I don't think this is all about the money. He's confirmed what sensible fans have always known, namely that we're a stepping stone club. If we weren't we may never have signed him (and many others) and it won't help us to attract those stepping stone players if we hold him back if a decent offer comes in. Personally I wish him well if he gets a good move and we get good dollar. 

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On 26/01/2021 at 16:43, babyblue said:

I'd imagine he'll be our number one target. 

We 100% need to think about life beyond Vardy and Ings would fit like a glove. You look at all the other teams and they got strikers who can play on for years, so Ings could find himself getting only a few minutes here or there for three years.  Wasn't it Rodgers who signed him for Liverpool also?

Looks like he's weighing up his options, so it's whether you guys want to hold onto him and perhaps lose him on a free or cash in and use the money on a replacement. 

Apologies if anyone takes offence, just trying to give a Leicester point of view.

Hello mate and welcome. Tbh, I obviously dont want him to leave but a lot of us are expecting it, so if he were to leave Id much rather it be to you than Spurs. I fking hate Spurs and Ive got nothing but good will towards Leicester. Christ.......if only we had your owners.......makes all the difference. Good luck and thanks for posting in a respectful way.

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7 hours ago, Hawkswood said:

Hello mate and welcome. Tbh, I obviously dont want him to leave but a lot of us are expecting it, so if he were to leave Id much rather it be to you than Spurs. I fking hate Spurs and Ive got nothing but good will towards Leicester. Christ.......if only we had your owners.......makes all the difference. Good luck and thanks for posting in a respectful way.

Seriously, if we are losing players to Leicester then what’s the point. 

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5 minutes ago, Noodles34 said:

Seriously, if we are losing players to Leicester then what’s the point. 

They are an established top 6_8 side for the past 6 or so years, great investment, really good team who pay high wages are are usually in Europe each season, plus the won the league pretty recently. 

They are a step above us right now have been for a few years.

This is our model, buy cheap, play for 2-3 years, move on at a profit.  It wouldn't be a surprise if it happened, but no disgrace if it did...

 

 

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16 minutes ago, Billy the Kidd said:

They are an established top 6_8 side for the past 6 or so years, great investment, really good team who pay high wages are are usually in Europe each season, plus the won the league pretty recently. 

They are a step above us right now have been for a few years.

This is our model, buy cheap, play for 2-3 years, move on at a profit.  It wouldn't be a surprise if it happened, but no disgrace if it did...

 

 

That's all well and good but they used to hand out clackers at every game so it's a no from me.

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4 minutes ago, Chris cooper said:

Spurs in for ings incoming ...Kane out for 2-3 weeks ...Jose won’t hesitate now if he wants to finish top 4 and above ..vinicius in all fairness isn’t as clinical infront of goal 

So they will pay what? double what he would cost them in the summer just so he can fill in until Kane is back in a couple of weeks?

Dont think Levy works that way.

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1 hour ago, Billy the Kidd said:

They are an established top 6_8 side for the past 6 or so years, great investment, really good team who pay high wages are are usually in Europe each season, plus the won the league pretty recently. 

They are a step above us right now have been for a few years.

This is our model, buy cheap, play for 2-3 years, move on at a profit.  It wouldn't be a surprise if it happened, but no disgrace if it did...

 

 

Really? League finishes since returning to the premier league in 2014 are 14, 1, 12, 9, 9, 5. 2 out of 6 seasons in the top 6 doesn't mean they are an established top 6 team. They've also sold a lot of their best players off for big money, Chillwell, Maguire, Kante, Drinkwater (LOL) Mahrez, replacing them with cheaper players. The models aren't that different. The difference is whilst they replaced them mainly with good players, we replaced ours with shite that is still costing us. Also whereas we've tried to be clever all the time they've spent big a couple of times and brought some experience in when needed. Evans from Man United and Tilemans a great signing for £40m for example. They've also had a few duds and a few crap managers in that time too. There is this perception that Leicester have done everything perfectly all the time but that simply isn't the case. 

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