trousers Posted 25 July, 2015 Share Posted 25 July, 2015 They would (in theory) have £30m+ burning a hole in their pocket. Haven't we got a similar sum in our pockets when totting up the balance from player sales and purchases over the last few transfer windows? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkSFC Posted 25 July, 2015 Share Posted 25 July, 2015 If getting VVD and Chester costs c.£20m I would think that is good business. Overall we would be really strong in a vital position. Financially we would then of spent less than £40m on 5 players plus the loan of Stekelenburg and sold two for a similar figure. Fonte as good as he has been probably has 2 possibly 3 years at his peak left and will over that time become a little bit less important therefore VVD and Chester will get better in all likelihood in the same time and Gardis and Stephens should have more improvement too. Great business for now and the coming seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint lard Posted 25 July, 2015 Share Posted 25 July, 2015 If getting VVD and Chester costs c.£20m I would think that is good business. Overall we would be really strong in a vital position. Financially we would then of spent less than £40m on 5 players plus the loan of Stekelenburg and sold two for a similar figure. Fonte as good as he has been probably has 2 possibly 3 years at his peak left and will over that time become a little bit less important therefore VVD and Chester will get better in all likelihood in the same time and Gardis and Stephens should have more improvement too. Great business for now and the coming seasons. Can't disagree with that. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 25 July, 2015 Share Posted 25 July, 2015 Ashley Williams? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 25 July, 2015 Share Posted 25 July, 2015 I've always rated Chester . Ok , so he's not the finished article , but he's a decent age for a centre half . Couple of seasons with Jose and I think he could be a real decent player . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeShmoe Posted 25 July, 2015 Share Posted 25 July, 2015 I've always rated Chester . Ok , so he's not the finished article , but he's a decent age for a centre half . Couple of seasons with Jose and I think he could be a real decent player . This - but not for 10m Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted 25 July, 2015 Share Posted 25 July, 2015 £5m or £10m who cares.... If he's good let's sign him Who seriously gives a **** about finances? We have sold players for millions last few years... We surely can't be short of a few quid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tedmaul Posted 25 July, 2015 Share Posted 25 July, 2015 £5m or £10m who cares.... If he's good let's sign him Who seriously gives a **** about finances? We have sold players for millions last few years... We surely can't be short of a few quid That would be your team, Portsmouth and to be honest it's kind of backfired a bit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint86 Posted 25 July, 2015 Share Posted 25 July, 2015 £5m or £10m who cares.... If he's good let's sign him Who seriously gives a **** about finances? We have sold players for millions last few years... We surely can't be short of a few quid You are right, we have circa £20m left over from last year, 2 years worth of record tv monies, the 6th lowest wage structure in the league... and another tidy profit this year. Investment needs to match the fans ambitions tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 25 July, 2015 Share Posted 25 July, 2015 You are right, we have circa £20m left over from last year, 2 years worth of record tv monies, the 6th lowest wage structure in the league... and another tidy profit this year. Investment needs to match the fans ambitions tbh. How do you know all this? The club seems to be doing very well as it already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tedmaul Posted 25 July, 2015 Share Posted 25 July, 2015 Investment needs to match the fans ambitions tbh. No, Katherina can do what she likes. Also, last summer we needed to raise 35-40m to break even. Cortese overspent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint86 Posted 25 July, 2015 Share Posted 25 July, 2015 Investment needs to match the fans ambitions tbh. No, Katherina can do what she likes. Also, last summer we needed to raise 35-40m to break even. Cortese overspent. What with the 6th lowest wage budget and one of the lowest agent fee spends etc... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 25 July, 2015 Share Posted 25 July, 2015 Be pretty poor if everton get in ahead of us for VvD Why do you say that? Do you think we are a bigger club than Everton? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JxgrSaint Posted 25 July, 2015 Share Posted 25 July, 2015 Why do you say that? Do you think we are a bigger club than Everton? Christ.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 25 July, 2015 Share Posted 25 July, 2015 This needs to be Saints big signing of the summer - not getting VVD will likely cost a couple of million in lost league places if we don't replacement the quality of Toby IMO (even though I do believe Yoshi is an improved player) and so it's worth splashing a little more to beat the other suitors. If Virgil Van Dijk is Saints "big signing of the summer" I'll still be waiting for a big signing. He might be decent, as might Chester - but neither of them are remotely near the scale of the Alderweireld loan deal, the guy had just played in a Champions League Final! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 26 July, 2015 Share Posted 26 July, 2015 If Virgil Van Dijk is Saints "big sining of the summer" I'll still be waiting for a big signing. He might be decent, as might Chester - but neither of them are remotely near the scale of the Alderweireld loan deal, the guy had just played in a Champions League Final! Well thats the point...the club need to get the best CB possible that might match Tobys capabilities. Having said that, to say VVD is not 'remotedly near' Alderweireld is nonsense...he might be perfectly matched to Jose etc and turn out better in the long run. Toby was great but certainly replaceable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HurleyBurley Posted 26 July, 2015 Share Posted 26 July, 2015 I think at the moment I'd be happier with Chester than Van Dijk, but if we're really going to get two like Koeman says maybe both would do. I see a lot of fans moaning about the Chester link whilst praying we get Van Dijk but I'm really not sure what they're basing that on other than a fancier name. Chester is a Wales international, that's quite a big deal these days, has premier league experience and is rated highly by his clubs fans. Van Dijk plays for the best team in his league and is probably rarely tested and he's not a full international, in fact, another player that saints fans didn't want, Vlaar, has been one of the players standing in his way. There's no denying van Dijk makes a good highlights reel and looks a good player but Chester is a known premier league quantity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 26 July, 2015 Share Posted 26 July, 2015 Sam Ricketts is a Wales intl too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 26 July, 2015 Share Posted 26 July, 2015 What with the 6th lowest wage budget and one of the lowest agent fee spends etc... It's not a real life version of FM15. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miltonaggro Posted 26 July, 2015 Share Posted 26 July, 2015 Why do you say that? Do you think we are a bigger club than Everton? Traditionally clearly not, as with the likes of Villa and Newcastle, but we should feel that we are a more attractive option at the present time; particularly for a centre half. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alehouseboys Posted 26 July, 2015 Share Posted 26 July, 2015 Latest reports suggesting the scousers have a bit of competition for the player http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/593786/Southampton-Virgil-van-Dijk-Arsenal-Man-United-Transfer-News-Gossip http://sport.stv.tv/football/clubs/hibernian/1325340-transfer-talk-scott-allan-unhappy-over-verbal-deal-van-dijk-to-saints/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Durman Posted 26 July, 2015 Share Posted 26 July, 2015 I think at the moment I'd be happier with Chester than Van Dijk, but if we're really going to get two like Koeman says maybe both would do. I see a lot of fans moaning about the Chester link whilst praying we get Van Dijk but I'm really not sure what they're basing that on other than a fancier name. Chester is a Wales international, that's quite a big deal these days, has premier league experience and is rated highly by his clubs fans. Van Dijk plays for the best team in his league and is probably rarely tested and he's not a full international, in fact, another player that saints fans didn't want, Vlaar, has been one of the players standing in his way. There's no denying van Dijk makes a good highlights reel and looks a good player but Chester is a known premier league quantity But Chester is only 1.77m or can somebody correct me. Van Dijk is 1.94m. We need presence on the pitch not minions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shance Posted 26 July, 2015 Share Posted 26 July, 2015 A lot of people seem to be overrating Toby on here. Now don't get me wrong, he was great for us and may go on to be even better as he gets older but styles make players. I think he fitted our style perfectly and had the perfect partner so he flourished in that set up. IMO VVD is a similar type of cb to Toby. Likes to play it out a bit, has a bit of skill about him etc so I think our set up plays to his strengths and that it will get the best out of him. Just because he isn't playing for Atletico Madrid in a cl final doesn't mean hes ****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Durman Posted 26 July, 2015 Share Posted 26 July, 2015 A lot of people seem to be overrating Toby on here. Now don't get me wrong, he was great for us and may go on to be even better as he gets older but styles make players. I think he fitted our style perfectly and had the perfect partner so he flourished in that set up. IMO VVD is a similar type of cb to Toby. Likes to play it out a bit, has a bit of skill about him etc so I think our set up plays to his strengths and that it will get the best out of him. Just because he isn't playing for Atletico Madrid in a cl final doesn't mean hes ****. Spot on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 26 July, 2015 Share Posted 26 July, 2015 Hopefully, we will get both VvD and Chester. but we dont spend like that. I can only see 1 of those two coming in with a cheapo option from europe. however, if it is just 1 of them, I hope it is done so they can at least feature in the espanyol game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spyinthesky Posted 26 July, 2015 Share Posted 26 July, 2015 Mate of mine is a Hull City season ticket owner and really rates James Chester. He reckons that Chester is definitely worth £8m but hopes the Tigers sting us for the same fee as Shane Long which all Hull fans thought was a wonderful result for them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 26 July, 2015 Share Posted 26 July, 2015 Mate of mine is a Hull City season ticket owner and really rates James Chester. He reckons that Chester is definitely worth £8m but hopes the Tigers sting us for the same fee as Shane Long which all Hull fans thought was a wonderful result for them They got a great fee for Shane - But then spent nearly all of it on Abel Hernandez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 26 July, 2015 Share Posted 26 July, 2015 Chester would be a decent addition, but not as a starter i.e Toby replacement. Neither would Maya. If we want to keep improving we need someone near Toby's level to partner Fonte. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulwantsapint Posted 26 July, 2015 Share Posted 26 July, 2015 So hull stung us over Shane long Shane long will be on bench against vitesse hull got relegated & so will have lost a fortune Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 26 July, 2015 Share Posted 26 July, 2015 The Shane Long fee was high but.... £12m for 4 years = £3m per year Hernandez who was dross, was £9.5m for 3 years which is a bit more. IF Long can play like he did against Villa week in week out, then it would be interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 26 July, 2015 Share Posted 26 July, 2015 The Shane Long fee was high but.... £12m for 4 years = £3m per year Hernandez who was dross, was £9.5m for 3 years which is a bit more. IF Long can play like he did against Villa week in week out, then it would be interesting. but he really wont, sadly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pass the Dutchie Posted 26 July, 2015 Share Posted 26 July, 2015 Vlaar was great and very important for the national team until the end of the 2014 World Cup game against Brazil (3-0). Then he got injured. He's 30 now. It may take some time and confidence, but I'm quite sure he'll be back. It'd definitely be interesting to see Virgil van Dijk in the Dutch national team in the meantime though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 26 July, 2015 Share Posted 26 July, 2015 Traditionally clearly not, as with the likes of Villa and Newcastle, but we should feel that we are a more attractive option at the present time; particularly for a centre half. Everton supporters would probably feel aggrieved if they lost out to us in the transfer market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CityRanger Posted 26 July, 2015 Share Posted 26 July, 2015 Hopefully, we will get both VvD and Chester. but we dont spend like that. I can only see 1 of those two coming in with a cheapo option from europe. however, if it is just 1 of them, I hope it is done so they can at least feature in the espanyol game Agree, I think we'll buy one and loan one seeing as one is injury cover. Maybe VVD on a permanent and Jonny Evans on a season long loan with option to buy? Would be more our way of doing things Sent from my D5803 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 26 July, 2015 Share Posted 26 July, 2015 I think at the moment I'd be happier with Chester than Van Dijk, but if we're really going to get two like Koeman says maybe both would do. I see a lot of fans moaning about the Chester link whilst praying we get Van Dijk but I'm really not sure what they're basing that on other than a fancier name. Chester is a Wales international, that's quite a big deal these days, has premier league experience and is rated highly by his clubs fans. Van Dijk plays for the best team in his league and is probably rarely tested and he's not a full international, in fact, another player that saints fans didn't want, Vlaar, has been one of the players standing in his way. There's no denying van Dijk makes a good highlights reel and looks a good player but Chester is a known premier league quantity Pretty much agree greed with that, but only because I haven't seen VVD play. Good job Ronald knows his onions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 26 July, 2015 Share Posted 26 July, 2015 As harsh as it sounds the Gardos injury may have come at the perfect time. If we can get two quality CHs in that will provide a replacement for Toby and move Yoshida back as 4th cover. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint IQ Posted 26 July, 2015 Share Posted 26 July, 2015 Don't think VVD is that near Toby's level yet, I would like us to sign another player aged about 28+ with more experience as well as VVD/alternative youngish CB we will most likely sign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the saint in winchester Posted 26 July, 2015 Share Posted 26 July, 2015 Remember we are looking for 2 CB's in this window; one to replace Toby and one to replace Gardos. Right now, I see the pecking order as: 1. Fonte (automatic 1st choice) 2. (vacancy) 3. Yoshida (first stand-in) 4. (vacancy) (second stand in) I see it as Van Dijk for postion 2 and Chester for position 4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 26 July, 2015 Share Posted 26 July, 2015 I wouldn't mind Stephens as no4 if we get a really quality player to partner Fonte. That for me is the key one. Going from Lovren and Toby to either having Maya as first choice, or bringing in someone like Chester as a starter would be a big step down. So I'm sure we will looking for high quality as with all our other signings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted 26 July, 2015 Share Posted 26 July, 2015 I'd bring in one top CB yo replace Toby/partner Fonte, have Yoshida as senior cover for those two, and have Stephens/Turnbull as 4th choice. They'll need experience sometime. Then bring in one more DM, and perhaps a winger/striker to add to squad strength, and we'll be there IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney Fudpucker the 3rd Posted 26 July, 2015 Share Posted 26 July, 2015 (edited) Not adverse to us signing Chesters but not for €10m! That's crazy money when you think that we'd agreed a price of about €8m for Toby. If they get €10m they won't have done badly out of us. They only paid £300k for JC. They paid £6m for Long and then sold him to us after 6 months for double that. Their fans must look at us in the same way we look at Liverpool. Edited 26 July, 2015 by Sidney Fudpucker the 3rd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wild-saint Posted 26 July, 2015 Share Posted 26 July, 2015 Not adverse to us signing Chesters but not for €10m! That's crazy money when you think that we'd agreed a price of about €8m for Toby. If they get €10m they won't have done badly out of us. They only paid £300k for JC. They paid £6m for Long and then sold him to us after 6 months for double that. Their fans must look at us in the same way we look at Liverpool. yeah they look at us in the EL, laughing all the way to the bank whilst they got relegated. i bet that shane long money is a great comfort. ffs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 26 July, 2015 Share Posted 26 July, 2015 yeah they look at us in the EL, laughing all the way to the bank whilst they got relegated. i bet that shane long money is a great comfort. ffs As they were in the EL last season I wouldn't be surprised if they weren't all that impressed by it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 26 July, 2015 Share Posted 26 July, 2015 Remember we are looking for 2 CB's in this window; one to replace Toby and one to replace Gardos. Right now, I see the pecking order as: 1. Fonte (automatic 1st choice) 2. (vacancy) 3. Yoshida (first stand-in) 4. (vacancy) (second stand in) I see it as Van Dijk for postion 2 and Chester for position 4. The pecking order is either intended to be this or we're doing it wrong: 1. New signing 2. New signing 3. Fonte 4. Yoshida etc. Obviously with time tight and us definitely needing to sign SOMEONE, we might settle for someone who sits between 3 and 4 (as it is a huge gulf), but we should always be trying to improve on our best player with every signing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farawaysaint Posted 26 July, 2015 Share Posted 26 July, 2015 The pecking order is either intended to be this or we're doing it wrong: 1. New signing 2. New signing 3. Fonte 4. Yoshida etc. Obviously with time tight and us definitely needing to sign SOMEONE, we might settle for someone who sits between 3 and 4 (as it is a huge gulf), but we should always be trying to improve on our best player with every signing. I disagree with this strongly, squads need depth and you can't have 4 50 milion pound strikers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 26 July, 2015 Share Posted 26 July, 2015 The pecking order is either intended to be this or we're doing it wrong: 1. New signing 2. New signing 3. Fonte 4. Yoshida etc. Obviously with time tight and us definitely needing to sign SOMEONE, we might settle for someone who sits between 3 and 4 (as it is a huge gulf), but we should always be trying to improve on our best player with every signing. So you think we should be trying to replace our captain or we're doing things wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 26 July, 2015 Share Posted 26 July, 2015 I disagree with this strongly, squads need depth and you can't have 4 50 milion pound strikers. The depth comes from the players you already have being moved down the pecking order. You know, like we've been doing for the past 6 years. Hooiveld was a starter at one point, Yoshida replaced him, Lovren replaced him, Alderweireld replaced him. At no point did we consciously add a worse player - Even Forren and Gardos would have been intended to be better than what we had. Each player should be intended to be better than his current equivalent. We're not signing bulk. Even the likes of Elia and Djuricic were attempts to give us something we didn't already have. As for "you can't have 4 x £50m strikers", well, no we can't, but we don't look like signing anyone just to sit on the bench behind Pelle, do we? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 26 July, 2015 Share Posted 26 July, 2015 So you think we should be trying to replace our captain or we're doing things wrong? We should always be trying to sign players who are better than the ones we have as a general rule. Occasionally the definition of "what we have" is a large empty space though, and in the CB position you have twice as many players as pretty much everywhere on the pitch nowadays. In that situation being better than one of the two current CBs is good enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shance Posted 26 July, 2015 Share Posted 26 July, 2015 The depth comes from the players you already have being moved down the pecking order. You know, like we've been doing for the past 6 years. Hooiveld was a starter at one point, Yoshida replaced him, Lovren replaced him, Alderweireld replaced him. At no point did we consciously add a worse player - Even Forren and Gardos would have been intended to be better than what we had. Each player should be intended to be better than his current equivalent. We're not signing bulk. Even the likes of Elia and Djuricic were attempts to give us something we didn't already have. As for "you can't have 4 x £50m strikers", well, no we can't, but we don't look like signing anyone just to sit on the bench behind Pelle, do we? 100% correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasoneuelllfanclub Posted 26 July, 2015 Share Posted 26 July, 2015 Unless I have missed something BBC Humberside said Hull have not received approach from Saints for Chester? Sent from my SM-A300FU using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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