Che Adams

[Chez]

2 minutes ago, revolution saint said:

Yeah, that's pretty much it and ,yes,  I watched the film as well.

If we started buying ancient over the hill players, or journeymen, or players that might be good at one particular thing and nowt else for next to nothing and then had formations and styles of play that emphasised those strengths and tried as far as possible to negate the weaknesses then that's moneyball.  You use the statistical analysis to identify those players that are being overlooked and find the hidden value.  You can argue that buying younger players whilst they're cheap and then flogging them later once they've had developed is a form of moneyball I guess but it's not quite the same thing.  If we went full on moneyball then I'd expect the forum to explode every time we signed a player.

To be honest, I don't think it's something that really translates to football that well.  Baseball roles are far more easily defined and the actions are limited.  Football has too many variables and positions. 

They seem to add stats all the time, but yet to see things like: full back got his distances right, so attacker didn't attempt to take him on. Or. First touch was spot on, enabling player to take advantage of the space he had rather than have to take lessor option...etc.

[badgerx16]

If he has 2 years left on his contract sell him next year.

[Chez]

7 hours ago, Jeremy Corbyn said:

I've always found it bizarre.  Since the wonder goal against Man City, Che has been consistantly good but Ralph often drops him.  I'm sure there was a point last season that Che scored 3 games in a row and then Ralph benched him.  Must be something Ralph doesn't like.

Didn't happen.

He was dropped after the Chelsea debacle, which was on the back of four or five games when we were offered little threat.

He came back two games later, played two then was dropped to the bench for last three, with Ralph seemingly having lost faith in all our strikers, rightly or wrongly.

[Chez]

28 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

If he has 2 years left on his contract sell him next year.

Allowing players to wind down contracts is financial suicide.

You don't want that extra £10m to spend on the replacement? 

[badgerx16]

29 minutes ago, Chez said:

Allowing players to wind down contracts is financial suicide.

You don't want that extra £10m to spend on the replacement? 

Next year his replacement could be our #1 priority and we could use a much larger proportion of our budget on ensuring we got a quality replacement. In the meantime we at least get a known level of performance and goals this season.

[CB Fry]

Only just caught up with this. Honestly feels insane to me.

But hey, let's get the sale through quick as you like and then get on with the "well, we couldn't quite get the deal over the line" routine with the replacements. Just like old times.

Make sure you get the sale done  though Saints. Don't let other clubs ever suffer what we have to.

[bpsaint]

Unless we’ve got 2 new strikers coming in selling Adams when the season has already started is just plain fucking strange.

Maybe Che has fallen out of favour personally for something behind the scenes. Maybe he told Ralph how clueless he is.

[woodsaint1]

This rumour has been denied on multiple occasions now. Good news all the same. Also 'confident' of adding another attacker

[Convict Colony]

Wonder what the hold up is with the other striker ?

Club trying to replace him before announcing ?

In a European qualifying game that needs to end before announcing?

I can't believe we are waiting for a striker to hope a better club comes in before we sign them, doesn't exactly show the commitment we want.

[Give it to Ron]

12 minutes ago, woodsaint1 said:

This rumour has been denied on multiple occasions now. Good news all the same. Also 'confident' of adding another attacker

That came from Alex Crook!

[Saint-Reece]

12 minutes ago, woodsaint1 said:

This rumour has been denied on multiple occasions now. Good news all the same. Also 'confident' of adding another attacker

The only worry I have is that it is coming from TalkSport ...! Alex Crook special anyone? 

[Bad Wolf]

13 minutes ago, woodsaint1 said:

This rumour has been denied on multiple occasions now. Good news all the same. Also 'confident' of adding another attacker

Ralph confirmed another striker is coming in

[Gingeletiss]

2 minutes ago, Bad Wolf said:

Ralph confirmed another striker is coming in

Oh good, that will stiffen up the defence!

[Whitey Grandad]

18 minutes ago, Gingeletiss said:

Oh good, that will stiffen up the defence!

Only if he can defend corners;)

[Mr X]

There's no way we should be letting Che go anywhere unless we have a top class proven goal scorer coming on board & 15 million is cheap! https://www.teamtalk.com/leeds-united/che-adams-southampton-sale-planned-price-revealed-prem-suitors-soar-past-leeds-race

[Toadhall Saint]

16 minutes ago, Mr X said:

There's no way we should be letting Che go anywhere unless we have a top class proven goal scorer coming on board & 15 million is cheap! https://www.teamtalk.com/leeds-united/che-adams-southampton-sale-planned-price-revealed-prem-suitors-soar-past-leeds-race

Bit old that.

Edited 10 August, 2022 by Toadhall Saint

[AlexLaw76]

If we hold our nerve long enough with Che, Man United will eventually come calling.....and that is when the big buck start rolling in

[skintsaint]

15m! Crazy if he was sold for that amount. I reckon if we tried to buy a similar striker from say Palace they would want 30m+.

[Chez]

2 hours ago, skintsaint said:

15m! Crazy if he was sold for that amount. I reckon if we tried to buy a similar striker from say Palace they would want 30m+.

didn't they just let Benteke go for nothing, despite him having 12 months left on his contract?

[Chez]

6 hours ago, Convict Colony said:

Wonder what the hold up is with the other striker ?

Club trying to replace him before announcing ?

In a European qualifying game that needs to end before announcing?

I can't believe we are waiting for a striker to hope a better club comes in before we sign them, doesn't exactly show the commitment we want.

better to go for a striker that is weighing his options rather than a striker that only has one option, us.  If no one else is interested, the question has to  be `why'? 

[Mr X]

Would rather we get rid of Adam Armstrong than Che tbh 

[S-Clarke]

Just now, Mr X said:

Would rather we get rid of Adam Armstrong than Che tbh 

I doubt there are any takers for Adam Armstrong though, that's the prob. 

[AlexLaw76]

Just now, S-Clarke said:

I doubt there are any takers for Adam Armstrong though, that's the prob. 

I bet there would be for a loan (Championship)

[saint lard]

Everton are exploring a loan-to-buy offer for Southampton striker Che Adams – the club’s public stance is that he is not for sale, but privately Saints are open to letting Adams go, & using the funds for a new striker #saintsfc @TheAthleticUK

[Danbert]

Che is bang average, I see know problem in selling him if we can use the funds to put towards a decent striker

[Matthew Le God]

 

[Lighthouse]

1 hour ago, S-Clarke said:

I doubt there are any takers for Adam Armstrong though, that's the prob. 

TBH he's a body up front who may, if he improves, chip in with five or six goals. Some people would have been content to see Shane Long given a new deal on the back of scoring one goal a season, so that can only be seen as a step forward of sorts.

[Toon Saint]

We needed an additional striker anyway so to sell Che, our best by some distance, seems like utter lunacy. If we sell him to Everton, a relegation rival, then it’s up there with selling Fonte before League Cup final/spunking our transfer record on Carrillo in terms of transfer follies. 

[Baird of the land]

It’s clear Ralph is not happy with his adams contribution. If I had faith in the manager i’d Be more supportive of notion of moving on a player manager doesn’t fancy.

[Chez]

19 hours ago, Lighthouse said:

TBH he's a body up front who may, if he improves, chip in with five or six goals. Some people would have been content to see Shane Long given a new deal on the back of scoring one goal a season, so that can only be seen as a step forward of sorts.

Not sure there were many Saints fans happy to see Long get a new deal. There were some that thought he might get one, I was one of those, but I was certainly not `content'. 

[SuperSAINT]

 

[SuperSAINT]

Interesting he got this info after posting the Ralph article 👀 

[ErwinK1961]

15 minutes ago, SuperSAINT said:

Interesting he got this info after posting the Ralph article 👀 

Don’t think it’s hard to put two and two together on this really. Sad state of affairs.

[Saint86]

4 hours ago, SuperSAINT said:

 

"Made a move"? 🤣

 

 

[Eric The Red]

It's obvious that Adams (probably through his agent) is very keen for a move, preferably to Everton, failing that the Midlands/North and is happy to stir things up as much as he needs to to get his way.

I agree he's the best forward on our  books and he should have played more at the back end of last season but which came first, his desire for a move or Ralph underusing him?

[skintsaint]

Well if he really wants a move, stick him up top and tell him to impress the scouts to earn it.

[Harry_SFC]

I think the two goals today show why we need to keep hold of Adams.

First goal he plays a lovely one two with Armstrong and the second one is a world class first touch which allows him to bring Mara into the game. 

We know he won't score tons of goals but he will get a fair amount whilst doing a lot of work that sometimes goes unnoticed. 

[SuperSAINT]

On 12/08/2022 at 00:11, Eric The Red said:

It's obvious that Adams (probably through his agent) is very keen for a move, preferably to Everton

Ché Zach Everton Fred Adams

[skintsaint]

8 hours ago, Harry_SFC said:

I think the two goals today show why we need to keep hold of Adams.

First goal he plays a lovely one two with Armstrong and the second one is a world class first touch which allows him to bring Mara into the game. 

We know he won't score tons of goals but he will get a fair amount whilst doing a lot of work that sometimes goes unnoticed. 

That's been obvious for a while, our strikers work better together rather than being lumped up top on their own devoid of any service.

[Convict Colony]

Che is perfect striker if you want someone to hold the ball, battle and lay off to runners - if he could score then he'd be playing for City

[S-Clarke]

2 hours ago, Convict Colony said:

Che is perfect striker if you want someone to hold the ball, battle and lay off to runners - if he could score then he'd be playing for City

That's exactly it, but the prob is they look hopeless when they've got no runners to lay off to (hence the first half struggles). I think Stu Armstrong was the only one trying to break the line in the first half. I'm not sure what Elyounoussi thought he was trying to do.

We do need a proper focal centre forward, that will stop us having to shoehorn Adams and Armstrong into these loan striker roles.

[saintant]

13 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

That's exactly it, but the prob is they look hopeless when they've got no runners to lay off to (hence the first half struggles). I think Stu Armstrong was the only one trying to break the line in the first half. I'm not sure what Elyounoussi thought he was trying to do.

We do need a proper focal centre forward, that will stop us having to shoehorn Adams and Armstrong into these loan striker roles.

We don't have to shoehorn them into these lone striker roles, Ralph chooses to do that despite the fact that it doesn't work and just makes them look bad players.

[Harry_SFC]

17 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

That's exactly it, but the prob is they look hopeless when they've got no runners to lay off to (hence the first half struggles). I think Stu Armstrong was the only one trying to break the line in the first half. I'm not sure what Elyounoussi thought he was trying to do.

We do need a proper focal centre forward, that will stop us having to shoehorn Adams and Armstrong into these loan striker roles.

Don't get me started on Elyounoussi. He's just a bit of a pointless player at this level. 

[SuperSAINT]

 
#CheWatch

[SuperSAINT]

“Adams, the Scotland international, is high on Lampard’s list of potential signings but Everton’s finances remain a serious threat to hopes of making more additions.“

They just signed Onana for £33.5m.

[SNSUN]

2 minutes ago, SuperSAINT said:

“Adams, the Scotland international, is high on Lampard’s list of potential signings but Everton’s finances remain a serious threat to hopes of making more additions.“

They just signed Onana for £33.5m.

...and it’s looking likely they’re going to get more money from Chelsea for Gordon.

[Saint Garrett]

FFP though isn't it, They sell a player for big money, especially someone like Gordon who had no transfer fee, they sell him and it's all profit, They only have to take a % of the new players transfer fee this year. I'm not really sure where they are from a cash perspective, but despite them being a bit of a mess financially, I think this is why you're still seeing them throw money around, hasn't been any bids for Che supposedly though.  He wants a new contract, and club aren't discussing contracts until end of transfer window.

[richardc]

4 hours ago, Saint Garrett said:

FFP though isn't it, They sell a player for big money, especially someone like Gordon who had no transfer fee, they sell him and it's all profit, They only have to take a % of the new players transfer fee this year. I'm not really sure where they are from a cash perspective, but despite them being a bit of a mess financially, I think this is why you're still seeing them throw money around, hasn't been any bids for Che supposedly though.  He wants a new contract, and club aren't discussing contracts until end of transfer window.

if he spent more time thinking about scoring more goals then of getting a new contract then I think Saints might be more prepared to offer him one

[Smirking_Saint]

On 15/08/2022 at 15:09, richardc said:

if he spent more time thinking about scoring more goals then of getting a new contract then I think Saints might be more prepared to offer him one

Id say he deserves it

 

 

Che changed the game today, he is more than a goalscorer, he is an effective outlet and good foil for his striker partner and wide men, today he added goals too and really should of had a hattrick

 Brilliant performance that added what we needed to maintain possession where we needed it

[Ted Bates Statue]

Che didn't train for most of this week and is clearly not for sale (and definitely not for £15M, FFS!), but don't let that stop idiots who reside on Twitter from berating RH and the club over him.