Matthew Le God Posted 11 October, 2020 Share Posted 11 October, 2020 (edited) - £350m bailout to EFL/FA - 18 team Premier League - bottom 2 relegated, top 2 Championship promoted and 3rd bottom in PL joins playoffs with Championship clubs - end of League Cup and Community Shield, - extra £££ for EFL/grassroots, fan initiatives and more As Southampton are the joint 8th longest serving Premier League club they would form part of the 'big 9' decision making clubs if these proposals went ahead. Along with Man Utd, Man City, Arsenal, Chelsea, Spurs, Liverpool, Everton & West Ham. Edited 28 October, 2020 by Matthew Le God 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintBobby Posted 11 October, 2020 Share Posted 11 October, 2020 We should oppose this. Saints being one of the nine shareholders will disappear forver if.when we get relegated. The chance of relegation goes up markedly. Statistically, it only goes from 15% to 15.25% of teams going down, but if you cut the division to just 18 clubs there will be fewer candidiates to be whipping boys at the bottom. The current arrangements - whereby any 7 clubs can block anything - are a godsend for a club likes us, and I'd need something spectacular on the table to want to surrender those constitutional rights. Too much power is already concentrated in too few hands. This would make it worse. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 11 October, 2020 Author Share Posted 11 October, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, SaintBobby said: We should oppose this. Too much power is already concentrated in too few hands. This would make it worse. As Saints would be one of the 9 decision making clubs it would give Saints more power, not less. Edited 11 October, 2020 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintBobby Posted 11 October, 2020 Share Posted 11 October, 2020 1 minute ago, Matthew Le God said: It would give Saints more power, not less. Only for this stint in the Premier League (which might be permanent, but probably not). If we're relegated and bounceback, we will be at the bottom fo the queue in terms of getting back a share. The real maths also work against us. At present, it is quite easy to find six allies from the other 19 clubs to defeat a move by the big clubs. (I think the 5 substitutes rule was a recent example). Under this system, we would move to having 1/9th of the vote and often be outvoted 7-2 or 8-1. At present, we have 1/20th of the vote, but only need to get allies to get this to 7/20ths to stop something. You can't measure Saints' power and influence purely on the % of shares we hold. A hypothetical system where we had 49% of the shares and Man Utd had 51% would not be an imporvement in our power - we'd lose everything that mattered. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarvSFC Posted 11 October, 2020 Share Posted 11 October, 2020 Leicester are the only club I’d want voting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu Posted 11 October, 2020 Share Posted 11 October, 2020 This sounds like a terrible idea. All 20 clubs are members and should receive a vote. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barsiem Posted 11 October, 2020 Share Posted 11 October, 2020 I’d support the reduction to 18 teams and extra money for efl, but not the rest. Definitely not having the say for just 9 teams, of which 7 will likely be fixed anyway 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 11 October, 2020 Share Posted 11 October, 2020 Disgusting. As is the dangling of the 350m for the EFL to help clubs. F()ck off. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintBobby Posted 11 October, 2020 Share Posted 11 October, 2020 The first thing to go would be collective bargaining rights for TV. That would ossify the top six even more....and probably for ever. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John D Posted 11 October, 2020 Share Posted 11 October, 2020 This is a power grab by the big 6 which is being sweetened by a promise of more money to the EFL. There is no way 9 clubs should have that level of power. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bewildered Posted 11 October, 2020 Share Posted 11 October, 2020 Looks like a despicable attempt by Man United/Liverpool to use the financial trouble faced by EFL teams due to covid 19 to leverage more power for the top 6. Don't be fooled by the 9 clubs nonsense since decisions would need 6 votes from 9 to pass, making it easy for the big clubs to do what they want. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolan Posted 11 October, 2020 Share Posted 11 October, 2020 Nope, nope, nope. Designed to make the big boys stronger. Man U panicking and wanting a land grab of the money. This should be vehemently opposed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted 11 October, 2020 Share Posted 11 October, 2020 Hmmm doesnt sound too great does it. How many seasons before they decide to reduce relegation by another team or all together? PL will become one big boys club and fuck the rest. Plus.... - Huge changes to loan system allowing clubs to have 15 players out on loan domestically at any one time and up to four at a single club in England I wonder who that will be advantageous too the most...FML. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 11 October, 2020 Share Posted 11 October, 2020 Project 'Big Picture?' No, project 'opportunistic b*stards.' Using the covid crisis as an opportunity to solidify position with a dangled carrot of supporting the lower leagues which will see it through. Quite disgusting really. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolan Posted 11 October, 2020 Share Posted 11 October, 2020 Man Ure and Liverpool should be sanctioned for coming up with this crap. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golac's Cunning Stunts Posted 11 October, 2020 Share Posted 11 October, 2020 Both clubs owned by Yank companies. This is really bad. I think if this happens, it will be the final nail in the coffin for me, I already started doing groundhopping following non-league games. I'll just do that for my football fix. Fuck the scousers and the rest of em. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 11 October, 2020 Share Posted 11 October, 2020 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chocolate Box Posted 11 October, 2020 Share Posted 11 October, 2020 Smacks of turkeys voting for Christmas if this goes through. Why don't they just piss off and form their European league and leave the rest of us to get on with it? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gammon cheeks Posted 11 October, 2020 Share Posted 11 October, 2020 This will destroy football ! Dangling a carrot of cash infront of the EFL because of this covid crisis ...fookin deplorible !! The big 6 will get more power and the romance of football will be dead. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redkeith Posted 11 October, 2020 Share Posted 11 October, 2020 Just read about the voting rights thing , and even if Saints had a bote it would not make much difference, as it says that only 6 votes would be needed to change policy. The big 6 would be able to do what they want and sod the rest of us. Summer PL competition, no thanks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu Posted 11 October, 2020 Share Posted 11 October, 2020 The death of English football will be the day the top 6 get what they want. An Americanised league, a closed league, where 14 teams can look forward to a glass ceiling of 7th and competing for a single trophy that will probably be won by one of the big 6 anyway. A league where the attitude towards the other 14 teams is "consider yourself lucky you get to play us" and all concerns from them get ignored. This day will inevitably come and mark my words, the interest will dwindle as the gap gets wider and wider and the league becomes even more predictable. The Premier League will destroy itself due to its own greed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 11 October, 2020 Share Posted 11 October, 2020 1 hour ago, HarvSFC said: Leicester are the only club I’d want voting. According to reports today, the voting for or against PPV was done one after the other and alphabetically, therefore by the time Leicester voted it was already apparent that it was going to sail through. It was 9 for the proposal with 0 against with Liverpool, Man Utd, Man City & Spurs still to vote. Maybe they would have gone against in a secret ballot, or just maybe they’re better at PR than some of the others. For all their opposition, I bet they take the dough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon3737 Posted 11 October, 2020 Share Posted 11 October, 2020 The voting proposal is a terrible idea and we’re clearly being used as a fig leaf to let the big 6 dominate everything. However, I think the rest of the proposals are pretty good. I was as excited as everyone else when we got to the League Cup final, but it’s basically a pointless tournament. And the Community Shield is just a glorified pre-season friendly. I think the Johnstone’s Paint Trophy (as we should all still call it 😀) has far more merit than the League Cup because the teams involved actually care about winning it (rather than just being a back door into Europe for big clubs having a bad year like Arsenal last year). Maybe they should just expand the EFL Trophy to include the Championship too (i.e. all EFL teams, maybe call it the EFL Cup 😀). Reducing the size of the Premier League would mean every team had something to play for. At present, there are around 3 teams each year in mid-table obscurity for the second half of the season (no chance of getting relegated or getting into Europe). There was an idea years ago from somewhere suggesting 16 clubs with 4 up 4 down. I think that would be a good idea. I know we’d get relegated occasionally, but it would be easier to come back and it means if the likes of Arsenal could genuinely have a chance of getting relegated occasionally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 11 October, 2020 Share Posted 11 October, 2020 (edited) An horrendous plan that would kill football for me. Typical that it's been suggested by Americans. The fact they have tried to use the financial problems from covid to blackmail football league clubs and force this through is despicable. I will actively avoid watching football and look at other sports if this happens. Edited 11 October, 2020 by hypochondriac 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 11 October, 2020 Share Posted 11 October, 2020 7 minutes ago, hypochondriac said: An horrendous plan that would kill football for me. Typical that it's been suggested by Americans. This. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pamplemousse Posted 11 October, 2020 Share Posted 11 October, 2020 No no no no no no no no no AND finally NO 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 11 October, 2020 Author Share Posted 11 October, 2020 (edited) It would be like turkeys voting for Christmas if 14+ teams out of 20 voted to change the voting down to 9 teams (Man Utd, Man City, Liverpool, Everyon, Spurs, Arsenal, Chelsea, West Ham, Southampton). Edited 11 October, 2020 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 11 October, 2020 Author Share Posted 11 October, 2020 3 hours ago, SaintBobby said: The chance of relegation goes up markedly. Statistically, it only goes from 15% to 15.25% of teams going down, but if you cut the division to just 18 clubs there will be fewer candidiates to be whipping boys at the bottom. You haven't factored in that the plan in the proposal sees only 2 clubs guaranteed to be relegated. The team 3rd bottom in the Premier League would face the 3rd, 4th & 5th placed Championship teams in a playoff, so if they win they stay up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wurzel Posted 11 October, 2020 Share Posted 11 October, 2020 Quote There is no mention of Aston Villa and Newcastle United, both of whom have featured in more Premier League campaigns than Manchester City. Definiteley a case of the current "big boys" realising there are people out there looking to invest in the remaining clubs and are running scared that new money is going to start levelling the playing field. Even in the relatively short history of the PL we have only recently talked of a Big 6, before that it was only the Big 4. They're clearly worried that that could soon become a Big 10/12/whatever. Maybe they should allocate votes on current league positions - I'm sure the 2 Manchester clubs would be only too happy to agree 🤣 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuckyNumber7 Posted 11 October, 2020 Share Posted 11 October, 2020 Yeah I think I'd be done with football if this happened, horrible ideas driven by nothing but greed from the big clubs. At some point football will eat itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 11 October, 2020 Share Posted 11 October, 2020 Now I’ve calmed down I’d like to say something else. F()ck off. No surprise it’s come from sanctimonious, virtue signalling bast4rds of the Mersey and another club cr4pping itself after falling into a the barren hole of also-rand of English football. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 11 October, 2020 Share Posted 11 October, 2020 How anyone could be a Saints fan and actually support the abolition of the League Cup beggars belief. As a club we've won fuck all. I'd like to get to grave having seen us win something significant, just once (like many, born after 1976). Probably the same type of people that salivate over the scrapping of the Christmas schedule because of "player recovery" and because someone said we might win the world Cup if we did. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 11 October, 2020 Share Posted 11 October, 2020 2 minutes ago, CB Fry said: How anyone could be a Saints fan and actually support the abolition of the League Cup beggars belief. As a club we've won fuck all. I'd like to get to grave having seen us win something significant, just once (like many, born after 1976). Probably the same type of people that salivate over the scrapping of the Christmas schedule because of "player recovery" and because someone said we might win the world Cup if we did. Champions league or nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 11 October, 2020 Share Posted 11 October, 2020 24 minutes ago, CB Fry said: How anyone could be a Saints fan and actually support the abolition of the League Cup beggars belief. As a club we've won fuck all. I'd like to get to grave having seen us win something significant, just once (like many, born after 1976). Probably the same type of people that salivate over the scrapping of the Christmas schedule because of "player recovery" and because someone said we might win the world Cup if we did. The same people that want to play a weakened team in any European games we may play in or who would prefer finishing 5th to winning a cup. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarvSFC Posted 11 October, 2020 Share Posted 11 October, 2020 Liverpool - "You'll never walk alone" - Unless there is a global pandemic and then you can fend for yourselves on furlough... Furthermore, we would like to walk alongside the eight longest serving Premier League clubs, but the rest of you... You can fuck off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 11 October, 2020 Share Posted 11 October, 2020 3 minutes ago, HarvSFC said: Liverpool - "You'll never walk alone" - Unless there is a global pandemic and then you can fend for yourselves on furlough... Furthermore, we would like to walk alongside the eight longest serving Premier League clubs, but the rest of you... You can fuck off. FC dignity and class proving they really are the people’s club Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex Lion Tamer Posted 11 October, 2020 Share Posted 11 October, 2020 I don't understand the point of scrapping the Community Shield. If it doesn't take place then clubs will just have other friendlies instead, so its not like they are reducing their workload. Is it really as cynical as not wanting gate receipts from a friendly to go to charity? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baird of the land Posted 11 October, 2020 Share Posted 11 October, 2020 Despicable plan. Hope saints have the common sense to vote against, despite being offered 20 pieces of silver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 11 October, 2020 Share Posted 11 October, 2020 (edited) 43 minutes ago, HarvSFC said: Liverpool - "You'll never walk alone" - Unless there is a global pandemic and then you can fend for yourselves on furlough... Furthermore, we would like to walk alongside the eight longest serving Premier League clubs, but the rest of you... You can fuck off. It’s exactly what happened when the Premier League was set up. Everybody jumps on the bandwagon that the Utd’s & Liverpool’s are the villains, but they’re all the fucking same. Saints, Palace, etc don’t give a shiny shite about “football” or the pyramid, they’re only interested it what it is it for them. Exactly as Rochdale, Barnsley and Exeter would be if they were in the premier league. I don’t recall too many Saints people concerned about the football league in ‘92, that was the time to take a stand. You can’t put the genie back in the bottle, it’s every man for himself now Edited 11 October, 2020 by Lord Duckhunter 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Munster Posted 11 October, 2020 Share Posted 11 October, 2020 (edited) 11 hours ago, Matthew Le God said: - £350m bailout to EFL/FA - 18 team Premier League - bottom 2 relegated, top 2 Championship promoted and 3rd bottom in PL joins playoffs with Championship clubs - end of League Cup and Community Shield, - extra £££ for EFL/grassroots, fan initiatives and more As Southampton are the joint 8th longest serving Premier League club they would form part of the 'big 9' decision making clubs if these proposals went ahead. Along with Man Utd, Man City, Arsenal, Chelsea, Spurs, Liverpool, Everton & West Ham. You missed a biggie: Parachute payments scrapped. So with 17th and 18th relegated, and 16th having a very good chance of joining them, this would sooner or later destroy clubs our size. Edited 11 October, 2020 by Dark Munster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 11 October, 2020 Share Posted 11 October, 2020 Just a power grab, cloaked in a gesture of good will for lower league clubs. Despicable. Can’t see it getting voted through, don’t they need 14 clubs to agree? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted 11 October, 2020 Share Posted 11 October, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, Ex Lion Tamer said: If it doesn't take place then clubs will just have other friendlies instead, so its not like they are reducing their workload. Gives them more calendar space to fly round the world to play these pre-season competitions against other large European clubs...$$$$ Then bitch how the players are tired and don't get much of a break. And no surprise Rick Parry being supportive of it, being an ex member of the Liverpool board and was initially involved in the Premier League breakaway, probably getting a nice back hander out of it. Edited 11 October, 2020 by skintsaint 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cartman Posted 12 October, 2020 Share Posted 12 October, 2020 (edited) Cünt clubs like Liverpool are always coming up with self serving proposals like this, why don't clubs like us ever come up with proposals that serve us? Distribute all TV and UEFA money 100% equally among all 20 clubs. A 100% tax on revenue above £200m to be given to the EFL. How many of the bottom 14 would vote against this considering that we would all benefit from it? Edited 12 October, 2020 by Cartman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 12 October, 2020 Share Posted 12 October, 2020 Greedy, soulless scum-bags. If you want to give some money just give the fucking money. This can’t be allowed to happen. If it does the FA will have failed, the government will have failed, the Premier League will have failed and football will have been failed. Abolishing the League Cup is a smack in the face to fans. “Big six” is an attempt to form a cartel. Go fuck yourselves. If Saints support this that applies to SFC too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 12 October, 2020 Share Posted 12 October, 2020 One decent proposal is to add a 5% tax on all top flight transfer fees to be distributed to the lower leagues and grassroots. That may have the Twin effect of supporting lower league clubs and preventing sky high fees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alehouseboys Posted 12 October, 2020 Share Posted 12 October, 2020 Someone at the PL League has described it as a "takeover attempt, rather than a rescue package" so it will be interesting to see how this one pans out. How anyone other than the 'Big 6' can support this is shortsighted. Maybe (hopefully) this will finally see the likes of Liverpool, United, Spurs, et el fook off to some mega European/Global League. But I guess then step forward the next 'Big 6' (Newcastle, Leeds, Villa, Evert..........) and repeat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ted Bates Statue Posted 12 October, 2020 Share Posted 12 October, 2020 3 hours ago, benjii said: Abolishing the League Cup is a smack in the face to fans. Reducing qualification for the winner to the Europa Conference has already helped it on its way I'm afraid. If that's the incentive to win it, then what does it say about the rest of the competition? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 12 October, 2020 Share Posted 12 October, 2020 Nice to see a united fan base on this subject - are there any fans out there in favour I wonder. The odd delusional scouser perhaps. I see the Pompey owner is now putting his hands in his pocket to keep the skates afloat - I guess he might buy in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EBS1980 Posted 12 October, 2020 Share Posted 12 October, 2020 The big 9 which in reality is just the big 6and a few extras. Any changes only need 6 votes to get in so the other 3 carry little weight to stop anything. The PPV was probably their way of testing it as the way to go with game broadcasting rights 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 12 October, 2020 Share Posted 12 October, 2020 How about they all piss off and create a 'big 6 league' somewhere, and let the rest of us battle it out in a proper even playing field? As people have said, this is a scandalous power grab and is only looking after the interests of a select few, it's being wrapped up in an 'EFL' finance support package in the hope that most people don't see what it is. It's also another example of an industry using 'COVID' to shoehorn something else through that they'd have had no hope of doing otherwise. It would be the death of football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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