Spurs 2-1 Saints - Game thread

[The Cat]

Just now, badgerx16 said:

Didn't the graphic show that mostly he goes to the keeper's right ?

Thought it was bottom left. I guess it depends if the graphic was from the keeper's view or the strikers! I think because I played as a keeper I looked at it that way.

[DT]

1 minute ago, Pamplemousse said:

Djenepo is a liability sadly. We got progressively worse as that game goes on.

 

Just highlights we have a terrible squad and sacking the manager won't change that. Nobody does any better other than Puel.

 

Why is Minamino out in the cold, though. Don't get it.

Wonder if he’s refusing. Or klopp is. Or we can’t afford his appearance money. Otherwise why not ahead of useless liability Djenepo. 

[Turkish]

Did anyone really believe we’d win at half time? It obvious we’d lose and Spurs wouldn’t be as shit second half. I’m afraid that was as predictable as it gets. 

Edited 21 April, 2021 by Turkish

[Jonnyboy]

2 minutes ago, Chapel End said:

Eddie Howe 🤣

I'm at Fat Sam stage now. Never thought it would come to that 😳

[Whitey Grandad]

Just now, Lord Duckhunter said:

Dear god, and you used to be a referee.....

Answer the f***ing question!

Djenepo Is the one who gets kicked. He throws his leg across the shot to try and block it and gets kicked for his efforts.

[Disco Stu]

5 minutes ago, Baird of the land said:

Exactly we are completely soft. Other teams find a way to stay in games we roll over and let them tickle our stomachs

The moment we knocked the ball out of play for one of their players I knew we were too nice to see this game out.

Edited 21 April, 2021 by Disco Stu

[Saint86]

Is there a screenshot of the Toby handball?

[Sheaf Saint]

4 minutes ago, Chapel End said:

This

And none of the studio pundits mentions it. Instead just praising VAR for getting the right decision.

Utter bullshit.

[Markyruk]

Idiot. The graphic showed he puts it exactly where mccarthy dived

[madge]

Sorry but Ralph has to go and take the fecking useless coaching team with him. We lost that game due to a fecking shambles of a substitution where we totally lost our shape and control of the midfield as diallo was dreadful as has been recently.  Tell me when at any point this season a tactical change has worked.  How can a manager survive this... ??

[Chapel End]

3 minutes ago, haddock22 said:

Who wants to watch the remaining matches?

Fans

[Mr X]

4 minutes ago, Lee On Solent Saint said:

I can't believe he has managed to stay in the job so long. Relegation form since January

What motivation has he got to improve he knows he's safe

[Kingsland Codger]

7 minutes ago, Lee On Solent Saint said:

VAR has ruined football

It was VAR that ruled out a Spurs goal.

[DT]

1 minute ago, Jonnyboy said:

I'm at Fat Sam stage now. Never thought it would come to that 😳

A manager lives by his results and Ralph’s have been utter shit

[saint77]

1 minute ago, The Cat said:

Thought it was bottom left. I guess it depends if the graphic was from the keeper's view or the strikers! I think because I played as a keeper I looked at it that way.

Yep bottom left 

[The Cat]

Just now, Markyruk said:

Idiot. The graphic showed he puts it exactly where mccarthy dived

Thanks for calling me an idiot once I'd perfectly reasonably explained why I thought that.

[Micky]

Was driving home from work listening to the radio and they were talking about the game, they simply described us as 'rubbish'. Unfortunately they are correct. 

[Toussaint]

3 minutes ago, Minsk said:

Robbed. Whilst the 2nd half performance wasn't as good as the first, we played much better. Certainly didn't deserve to lose that match.

We got off lightly at 2-1 IMO 

[DT]

Just now, madge said:

Sorry but Ralph has to go and take the fecking useless coaching team with him. We lost that game due to a fecking shambles of a substitution where we totally lost our shape and control of the midfield as diallo was dreadful as has been recently.  Tell me when at any point this season a tactical change has worked.  How can a manager survive this... ??

A few on here called it. He hasn’t a clue. 

[Lord Duckhunter]

Just now, Whitey Grandad said:

Answer the f***ing question!

Djenepo Is the one who gets kicked. He throws his leg across the shot to try and block it and gets kicked for his efforts.

There’s absolutely no point in debating you, you’re as one eyed as the come. Never ever accept decisions that go against us. If you really think Djenepo was fouled I fear for your sanity. 

[Chapel End]

1 minute ago, Turkish said:

Did anyone really believe we’d at half time? It obvious we’d lose and Spurs wouldn’t be as shit second half. I’m afraid that was as predictable as it gets. 

I always hope bur believing is another matter

[Baird of the land]

The mentality of the players is atrocious. Really struggling to see how that changes especially with Saints dubious transfer strategy.

[Streaky]

Just now, madge said:

Sorry but Ralph has to go and take the fecking useless coaching team with him. We lost that game due to a fecking shambles of a substitution where we totally lost our shape and control of the midfield as diallo was dreadful as has been recently.  Tell me when at any point this season a tactical change has worked.  How can a manager survive this... ??

I dont think they will ever sack him. They are too gutless, we are a shambles of a club and in free fall for the foreseeable. Ings and vestagaard will be gone. Then we will sleep walk into the championship.

[Mr Saints]

Mentally fragile wet blankets. The sooner the majority of them fuck off the better for me. 

[Markyruk]

Sorry but I posted before your commentshowed

[Lord Duckhunter]

2 minutes ago, Saint86 said:

Is there a screenshot of the Toby handball?

There is, it follows the one of Vesty handballing it just before. 

[DT]

Everyone still seems very sure we’re not going down. Hmm. 

[itchen]

I'm not going to read all the negative crap that I know will be on here.  I'm encouraged that, at last, the team showed a bit of effort. Losing Ings was a blow and it looked like a Spurs handball before the penalty. But, on the whole, much better. 

[Saint_clark]

6 minutes ago, Baird of the land said:

Didn't seem any more of a handball than ours moments before.

The rules say that any attacking advantage gained is an automatic handball, they don't say the same about defending handballs.

[Chapel End]

1 minute ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

There’s absolutely no point in debating you, you’re as one eyed as the come. Never ever accept decisions that go against us. If you really think Djenepo was fouled I fear for your sanity. 

No one was fouled 

[Chapel End]

Just now, DT said:

Everyone still seems very sure we’re not going down. Hmm. 

We arent ffs

[DT]

A team of luxury players with no fight or structure. Awful. 

[Toussaint]

I’d be happy if I never see Redmond, Diallo, Walcott, Djeneppo or Bertrand ever play for us again 

[Lord Duckhunter]

Just now, Chapel End said:

No one was fouled 

Had it happened up the other end, the same clowns claiming no foul would be screaming for it. Must be var, referee and pundits all against us. 

[Lallana's Left Peg]

No backbone to this team and questionable management right now.  We don't have enough talent to win games in those circumstances.

[S-Clarke]

That was a game which summed up our season and demonstrated the two sides of this team.

1st half, high press, counter pressing, quick movement in the final third and just too quick for Spurs in thought and play. We were fitter, stronger, more energy. We just had too much, everything was positive and things were going well, players looked 20ft taller than the opposition - nothing bad happening to derail us and we had it all our own way. The reality is that during those phases we need to capitalise and score as many goals as we can at full throttle.

2nd half, as you can almost guarantee, the opposition will improve. They pushed up higher and on top of that you could visibly see our team getting sapped of energy, physically and more worryingly mentally. Bit by bit you saw our energy draining, it was like a computer game really - you see the players on green and full health at the start, and by probably 50mins we were all on a tiny red line.

In those situations you rely on 2 things to get you over the line. 1) The substitutes to be the right ones, and to impact the game and replace that energy and 2) Leaders who galvanise the group and pull us through the periods of dips, but sadly that didn't happen and never does happen. Diallo ruined our midfield and just didn't get up to the game at all. Moussa, well, what more can you say. Had enough of him. All legs and absolutely nothing else. As has been said many a time, when the going gets tough they all shrink by 10 ft and pass responsibility to each other. That might sound harsh, but it's what I've seen for years with this group.

On the good points, Tella - excellent, full of energy in the first half, lots of positive running - Redmond and Moussa could learn a lot from him. Ings and Adams movement and link up was as good as it's been for a while, so that was a positive. Armstrong in the middle was outstanding, driving forward and gobbling up the space Spurs were leaving. Sadly he only seems to have around 40mins in him.

Same old story really. Shit squad depth that is absolutely out on it's arses fitness wise, and a severe lack of mental toughness. End this season now please, we all need a total reset and we need to work out what the fuck is up with our fitness levels - and squad depth. 

Edited 21 April, 2021 by S-Clarke

[igsey]

1 minute ago, Saint_clark said:

The rules say that any attacking advantage gained is an automatic handball, they don't say the same about defending handballs.

I think someone here earlier has it right - once the ref gave the free kick, all VAR was able to look at was if it was in/out the box, not whether a) there was a hand ball in the build up or b) if it's even a foul in the first place given the Spurs player swings his leg into Djenepo's boot.

I'm certain though that if this was the first week of the season, it's a free kick to us for the handball.

[OttawaSaint]

Bugger!

We're just not capable of a decent 90+5 minutes. It's either dead and buried by half time or ahead and then forget to play in the second. There's something very wrong with this club.

[Jimmy_D]

7 minutes ago, Saint86 said:

Is there a screenshot of the Toby handball?

[Saint J 77]

1 minute ago, DT said:

Everyone still seems very sure we’re not going down. Hmm. 

Until it’s impossible for us to go down then nothing would surprise me at this point. I honestly think we deserve to go down for the absolutely appalling second half to our season. 

[Mr X]

2 minutes ago, DT said:

A team of luxury players with no fight or structure. Awful. 

Luxury? Tesco value more like 

[igsey]

1 minute ago, S-Clarke said:

That was a game which summed up our season and demonstrated the two sides of this team.

1st half, high press, counter pressing, quick movement in the final third and just too quick for Spurs in thought and play. We were fitter, stronger, more energy. We just had too much, everything was positive and things were going well, players looked 20ft taller than the opposition - nothing bad happening to derail us. The reality is that during those phases we need to capitalise and score as many goals as we can at full throttle.

2nd half, as you can almost guarantee, the opposition will improve. They pushed up higher and on top of that you could visibly see our team getting sapped of energy, physically and more worryingly mentally. Bit by bit you saw our energy draining, it was like a computer game really - you see the players on green and full health at the start, and by probably 50mins we were all on a tiny red line.

In those situations you rely on 2 things to get you over the line. 1) The substitutes to be the right ones, and to impact the game and replace that energy and 2) Leaders who galvanise the group and pull us through the periods of dips, but sadly that didn't happen and never does happen. Diallo ruined our midfield and just didn't get up to the game at all. Moussa, well, what more can you say. Had enough of him. All legs and absolutely nothing else. As has been said many a time, when the going gets tough they all shrink by 10 ft and pass responsibility to each other. That might sound harsh, but it's what I've seen for years with this group.

On the good points, Tella - excellent, full of energy in the first half, lots of positive running - Redmond and Moussa could learn a lot from him. Ings and Adams movement and link up was as good as it's been for a while, so that was a positive. Armstrong in the middle was outstanding, driving forward and gobbling up the space Spurs were leaving. Sadly he only seems to have around 40mins in him.

Same old story really. Shit squad depth that is absolutely out on it's arses fitness wise, and a severe lack of mental toughness. End this season now please, we all need a total reset and we need to work out what the fuck is up with our fitness levels - and squad depth. 

The really worrying thing is that 29 year-old Ryan Mason with fuck all managerial experience can work out how to nullify our system and change things at half time.

[eurosaint]

Serious question :

Why does the ball have to be ‘over the line’ to be a goal but ‘on the line’ to be inside the box ?

I never knew this before 😁

[Micky]

10 minutes ago, Minsk said:

Robbed. Whilst the 2nd half performance wasn't as good as the first, we played much better. Certainly didn't deserve to lose that match.

We did, we have half a team of cowards when the ging gets tough.  We are a mess. 

[Sidney Fudpucker the 3rd]

People laughing about us getting Howe in. What have we got to lose?

He's a good choice to get us back up when we get relegated next season. If we keep Ralph then there's no way he's going to stay when we go down, so get Howe in now.

I watched the FA Cup semi at the weekend and throughout the second half the commentators pointed out that Southampton didn't seem to know how to change things. They were absolutely spot on. It's been the story of our season and you can't blame that on the players. We've got some good players and Ralph simply isn't getting the best out of them.

[Toussaint]

1 minute ago, OttawaSaint said:

Bugger!

We're just not capable of a decent 90+5 minutes. It's either dead and buried by half time or ahead and then forget to play in the second. There's something very wrong with this club.

Possibly players are burned out by unrealistic physical demands 

[Streaky]

2 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

That was a game which summed up our season and demonstrated the two sides of this team.

1st half, high press, counter pressing, quick movement in the final third and just too quick for Spurs in thought and play. We were fitter, stronger, more energy. We just had too much, everything was positive and things were going well, players looked 20ft taller than the opposition - nothing bad happening to derail us. The reality is that during those phases we need to capitalise and score as many goals as we can at full throttle.

2nd half, as you can almost guarantee, the opposition will improve. They pushed up higher and on top of that you could visibly see our team getting sapped of energy, physically and more worryingly mentally. Bit by bit you saw our energy draining, it was like a computer game really - you see the players on green and full health at the start, and by probably 50mins we were all on a tiny red line.

In those situations you rely on 2 things to get you over the line. 1) The substitutes to be the right ones, and to impact the game and replace that energy and 2) Leaders who galvanise the group and pull us through the periods of dips, but sadly that didn't happen and never does happen. Diallo ruined our midfield and just didn't get up to the game at all. Moussa, well, what more can you say. Had enough of him. All legs and absolutely nothing else. As has been said many a time, when the going gets tough they all shrink by 10 ft and pass responsibility to each other. That might sound harsh, but it's what I've seen for years with this group.

On the good points, Tella - excellent, full of energy in the first half, lots of positive running - Redmond and Moussa could learn a lot from him. Ings and Adams movement and link up was as good as it's been for a while, so that was a positive. Armstrong in the middle was outstanding, driving forward and gobbling up the space Spurs were leaving. Sadly he only seems to have around 40mins in him.

Same old story really. Shit squad depth that is absolutely out on it's arses fitness wise, and a severe lack of mental toughness. End this season now please, we all need a total reset and we need to work out what the fuck is up with our fitness levels - and squad depth. 

Why are we so unfit. We hardly press anymore but we still look shattered come the 2nd half. Ralph needs to go he doesn't know how to stop the rot

[BotleySaint]

Leicester and Liverpool next 2 games.

Let's hope Fulham don't get any closer..

[Archers Road Stand]

2 minutes ago, Jimmy_D said:

If that's handball then so is the one from Vestergaard seconds before. 

I hope Djenepo is on the out list in the summer. He isn't good enough. 

[Ivan Katalinic's 'tache]

As per normal, great first half, poor/ran out of steam/ideas/Ings second half. Not the thumping I thought we'd get but still no points. On a worse run than Sheff Utd in 2021 tells its own tale. Salisu and Tella did ok, Ings looked better and took his goal well, KWP was his usual effective self and Armstrong drove us forward in the first half. Not much from the others really. I can't believe my own apathy at the result but that mirrors the general lack of enthusiasm about our club at the moment. I don't think watching the same system fail week after week, with no variations to formation or approach really helps.