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59 minutes ago, StrangelyBrown said:

Perhaps we are still suffering from the sh1te that Hughes bought????

Not many clubs backed so many managers with a load of duff signings over such a short period of time

The two £40m striker signings I mentioned  have both proven to be duffs, probably on good wages too. Newcastle have still made some solid signings this summer in Wilson, Hendrick and Lewis (Not too sure on Fraser, seems like he had one purple patch and nothing before, or after). While, West Ham have reportedly made a £36m bid for Wesley Fofana today. 

I’m not having a go, but bad signings on high wages that can’t be sold also aren’t exclusive to Saints and is just another excuse that many, including myself before have accepted for why we aren’t spending money. When on the outside it just looks like Gao won’t put any money in and we’re running on Championship level budgets for as long as he remains in charge. 
 

 

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1 hour ago, Matthew Le God said:

Danny Ings signed permanently under Hasenhuttl.

I don't think you can class Ings as a Hasenhuttl signing, he was brought in under Hughes on a loan with a full obligation to buy. He was signing him no matter what!

The 4 real signings he's had input into are Moussa, KWP, Salisu and Adams. 

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7 hours ago, miserableoldgit said:

Did I take the piss with the picture or comment? Did it make me feel big? No, because I am content within myself and don`t feel the need to "big myself up" by posting something on the internet to make me look like a "concerned" human being........ don't tell me that you have never walked down the street, seen someone dressed ridiculously, or with an "unusual" hairstyle and thought to yourself "what a knob".

My last post on the subject but you missed my reference completely...  you assumed I was “offended” when I wasn’t at all so I assumed you “felt big” in response. 

As to your second point, yes of course I look at how people dress and behave and think “what a knob”, but I don’t feel the need to sneer at them just because they’re different

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24 minutes ago, HarvSFC said:

The two £40m striker signings I mentioned  have both proven to be duffs, probably on good wages too. Newcastle have still made some solid signings this summer in Wilson, Hendrick and Lewis (Not too sure on Fraser, seems like he had one purple patch and nothing before, or after). While, West Ham have reportedly made a £36m bid for Wesley Fofana today. 

I’m not having a go, but bad signings on high wages that can’t be sold also aren’t exclusive to Saints and is just another excuse that many, including myself before have accepted for why we aren’t spending money. When on the outside it just looks like Gao won’t put any money in and we’re running on Championship level budgets for as long as he remains in charge. 
 

 

Why should we expect our owner to waste his money on buying players? It's not like he's a life long saints fan. He's clearly bought the club as an investment in the basis that football clubs appreciate in value at a rate that is out of kilter with the real world. He's trying to sell and isn't going to throw any money away at this point and who can blame him?

As depressing as it is watching other clubs spend loss more, unfortunately the reality is that we don't generate the same commercial revenues as a lot of other clubs and our owner isn't going to dip into his pockets.

What we can do is spend money wisely, but unfortunately we've not done that either and until we deal with the consequences of overpaid bad signings things aren't going to improve unless someone with deep pockets comes along and buys the club.

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5 minutes ago, StrangelyBrown said:

Why should we expect our owner to waste his money on buying players? It's not like he's a life long saints fan. He's clearly bought the club as an investment in the basis that football clubs appreciate in value at a rate that is out of kilter with the real world. He's trying to sell and isn't going to throw any money away at this point and who can blame him?

As depressing as it is watching other clubs spend loss more, unfortunately the reality is that we don't generate the same commercial revenues as a lot of other clubs and our owner isn't going to dip into his pockets.

What we can do is spend money wisely, but unfortunately we've not done that either and until we deal with the consequences of overpaid bad signings things aren't going to improve unless someone with deep pockets comes along and buys the club.

Absolutely. Our transfers have largely been a disaster since VVD was sold and no sensible business man would look at the disaster that was Carillo, Hoedt, Lemina, Boufal etc and decide to throw £100m at more players. I suspect Gao wants out more than we want him out. 

 

 

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11 hours ago, Millbrook Saint said:

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Weston McKennie snubbed Southampton for the lure of Juventus, while Dejan Ljubicic opted to stay at Rapid Vienna after being handed the captain’s armband.

Somehow can't see staying in Austria for a captain's armband in preference to the lure of EPL ...So suspect the entire article is bollocks.

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1 hour ago, HarvSFC said:

The two £40m striker signings I mentioned  have both proven to be duffs, probably on good wages too. Newcastle have still made some solid signings this summer in Wilson, Hendrick and Lewis (Not too sure on Fraser, seems like he had one purple patch and nothing before, or after). While, West Ham have reportedly made a £36m bid for Wesley Fofana today. 

I’m not having a go, but bad signings on high wages that can’t be sold also aren’t exclusive to Saints and is just another excuse that many, including myself before have accepted for why we aren’t spending money. When on the outside it just looks like Gao won’t put any money in and we’re running on Championship level budgets for as long as he remains in charge. 
 

 

This can’t be true, we are the only club that has made bad signings. No other club has expensive signings on big wages that they can’t sell. Along with them agents fees and bonuses plus us being the only club that’s lost income due to coronavirus, it’s no wonder we need to sell anyone not nailed down again to give us even a passable replacement for our captain we sold. 

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Wilfried Ndidi might be out for 12 weeks so unlikely they would sell Choudhury I would think.

Davies getting absolutely slated on Twitter by Everton fans for his performance tonight.

Villa after Barkley or RLC on loan, as want a new #8 (neither of these options for us IMO as not a #6 and wages too high even for a loan).

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18.3 million bid accepted for Jovane Cabral he is a winger and looks quality....

https://mobile.twitter.com/TheSaintCentre/status/1308357608961708032

1) Surely this can't be true we are skint.....

2) Why are we signing a winger and not a hojberg replacement? 

3) Will Davies play the Hojberg role?

4) Do already have new owners instructing us to sign targets now? Or has Gao found wallet?

We are also linked to Florentino Luis....

wtf is going on lol 

 

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8 hours ago, Bewildered said:

Cross Luis off the list, off to Monaco on loan.

This was the one we needed. Couldn't we have offered more than a million quid? I know it's down to the player, but bloody hell Saints. WTF is going on? Struggling to see where the next point is coming from.

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I'm sure we will get a cm in before the end of the window but it is frustrating that we always leave these positions we are most in need of till the last minute. We then normally wait a few weeks before they are ready to start and suddenly they will have missed a big chunk of the start of the season. 

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17 minutes ago, DT said:

This was the one we needed. Couldn't we have offered more than a million quid? I know it's down to the player, but bloody hell Saints. WTF is going on? Struggling to see where the next point is coming from.

i would say we are more than capable of getting a point this weekend bearing in mind its the same side that went 7 games unbeaten a few weeks back. #bedwetter

 

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8 hours ago, Bewildered said:

Cross Luis off the list, off to Monaco on loan.

Could we really not compete with that? £1.5m to a team that finished 9th in a farmer's league and aren't in European competition.

I appreciate Monaco's probably nicer at this time of year than Ocean Village, but still...

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10 hours ago, ally_uk said:

18.3 million bid accepted for Jovane Cabral he is a winger and looks quality....

https://mobile.twitter.com/TheSaintCentre/status/1308357608961708032

1) Surely this can't be true we are skint.....

2) Why are we signing a winger and not a hojberg replacement? 

3) Will Davies play the Hojberg role?

4) Do already have new owners instructing us to sign targets now? Or has Gao found wallet?

We are also linked to Florentino Luis....

wtf is going on lol 

 

May be true. More likely false like 95% of rumours made up as clickbait or by agents after a payday.

We do need an AM if Boufal is off. More a #10 playmaker to challenge Armstrong rather than another Boufal.

But also a Hojbjerg replacement: box to box MF who can press, tackle, break up and recycle play and see a pass.

But priority for Ralph is always players who will work hard "against the ball" and give everything for the team.

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31 minutes ago, wild-saint said:

i would say we are more than capable of getting a point this weekend bearing in mind its the same side that went 7 games unbeaten a few weeks back. #bedwetter

 

Really hope you're right #abitdeluded

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Cabral is certainly the sort of addition we need on the flanks. Out of Redmond and Moussa, that's it for our wide players - and we couldn't count on Moussa for any of last season really. This will give Redmond a bit of competition if it happens, he's had it too easy.

I thought our transfer fee use would be the other way around, spend the £££ on a midfielder and maybe a loan for a winger. But we'll see.

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1 hour ago, qwertyell said:

Could we really not compete with that? £1.5m to a team that finished 9th in a farmer's league and aren't in European competition.

I appreciate Monaco's probably nicer at this time of year than Ocean Village, but still...

Monaco have Paul Mitchell as their Sporting Director, presumably in charge of recruitment.

Who is our DoR again, or what happened to the appointment of one ?

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45 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

Cabral is certainly the sort of addition we need on the flanks. Out of Redmond and Moussa, that's it for our wide players - and we couldn't count on Moussa for any of last season really. This will give Redmond a bit of competition if it happens, he's had it too easy.

I thought our transfer fee use would be the other way around, spend the £££ on a midfielder and maybe a loan for a winger. But we'll see.

Is he ? The youtube clip doesn't look that spectacular and for the money talked of Rashica was mentioned in the same region. Someone who has played in a far bettter league.

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6 minutes ago, Badger said:

Is he ? The youtube clip doesn't look that spectacular and for the money talked of Rashica was mentioned in the same region. Someone who has played in a far bettter league.

I meant profile of player, winger/attacking either flank style.

Can't really read much into the youtube vids either way.

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28 minutes ago, Badger said:

Is he ? The youtube clip doesn't look that spectacular and for the money talked of Rashica was mentioned in the same region. Someone who has played in a far bettter league.

We don't want someone who can be "spectacular" for a 5 second YouTube clip. We're done that with Lemina, Boufal etc. We need a solid #10 playmaker who can press, shoot, pass and run at defences. And work hard for the team, not just to get attention for themselves to get the big money move 

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10 hours ago, Bewildered said:

Cross Luis off the list, off to Monaco on loan.

I don't have much hope of us signing this guy as our only link was from the Sun, but I wouldn't take this to mean he is definitely going to Monaco. RMC reported that we had lost the race for Salisu and that he was basically at Rennes twice so they are not the most reliable of sources either. 

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2 hours ago, Shroppie said:

May be true. More likely false like 95% of rumours made up as clickbait or by agents after a payday.

We do need an AM if Boufal is off. More a #10 playmaker to challenge Armstrong rather than another Boufal.

But also a Hojbjerg replacement: box to box MF who can press, tackle, break up and recycle play and see a pass.

But priority for Ralph is always players who will work hard "against the ball" and give everything for the team.

This. Some people need to get a grip.

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1 hour ago, S-Clarke said:

I meant profile of player, winger/attacking either flank style.

Can't really read much into the youtube vids either way.

 

59 minutes ago, SaintsFan86 said:

Why are people using youtube for deciding on his ability. De Ridder was the next Frank Ribery...

Fully accept S-Clarke's view regarding the need to strengthen in that position, and yes Youtube is a very limited source and can't be relied on. 

Having said that I and many other were able to conclude that Carillo was a donkey from the clips of him, and he fully lived up to expectation.

47 minutes ago, Shroppie said:

We don't want someone who can be "spectacular" for a 5 second YouTube clip. We're done that with Lemina, Boufal etc. We need a solid #10 playmaker who can press, shoot, pass and run at defences. And work hard for the team, not just to get attention for themselves to get the big money move 

Perhaps should have phrased it differently, in that he doesn't look anything special in the clips shown. 

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14 hours ago, Turkish said:

This can’t be true, we are the only club that has made bad signings. No other club has expensive signings on big wages that they can’t sell. Along with them agents fees and bonuses plus us being the only club that’s lost income due to coronavirus, it’s no wonder we need to sell anyone not nailed down again to give us even a passable replacement for our captain we sold. 

Think about what you just said again. Can that really be true? It is extremely unlikely isn't it? Don't you think it might be that we bought players at a price that would have fitted a certain level of performance and then expected them to start playing as top six level players?. On that basis any player we could afford would disappoint.

I think we are a club in conflict with ourselves, the reality of our situation doesn't match the ambition of people like Hasenhuttl, maybe Semmens or indeed the fans. Other clubs like Burnley & Palace seem far more realistic and content, understanding where they are in the pecking order and cutting their cloth to suit, buying players that can sustain their 'more modest' performance expectations that more or less guarantees their survival.

All those players that are easily and cheaply labelled on here as failures caught 'our' eye once but we have had so many changes of management, direction and strategy that no wonder they couldn't settle and prove their worth. I feel sorry for them in a way because hanging around here when not wanted is destroying their careers. They signed contracts in good faith but now find themselves locked in by them just as the club does. 

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2 hours ago, Badger said:

Monaco have Paul Mitchell as their Sporting Director, presumably in charge of recruitment.

Who is our DoR again, or what happened to the appointment of one ?

We were meant to get a player recruiting specialist.

We definitely do need competition for Redmond who goes absent a fair bit which may purely come down to knowing he’s a guaranteed place in the 11. CM a clear priority which will will address and we could do with another defender. 

Sign those positions, plus get Salisu fit & starting and I would hope for significant improvement. Just stop playing the crazy high defensive line. 

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44 minutes ago, Charlie Wayman said:

Think about what you just said again. Can that really be true? It is extremely unlikely isn't it? Don't you think it might be that we bought players at a price that would have fitted a certain level of performance and then expected them to start playing as top six level players?. On that basis any player we could afford would disappoint.

I think we are a club in conflict with ourselves, the reality of our situation doesn't match the ambition of people like Hasenhuttl, maybe Semmens or indeed the fans. Other clubs like Burnley & Palace seem far more realistic and content, understanding where they are in the pecking order and cutting their cloth to suit, buying players that can sustain their 'more modest' performance expectations that more or less guarantees their survival.

All those players that are easily and cheaply labelled on here as failures caught 'our' eye once but we have had so many changes of management, direction and strategy that no wonder they couldn't settle and prove their worth. I feel sorry for them in a way because hanging around here when not wanted is destroying their careers. They signed contracts in good faith but now find themselves locked in by them just as the club does. 

If the players were really that bothered then they'd take pay cuts to move. The problem with shifting a lot of them is not the transfer fees it's the fact that we are paying them more than any other club who would take them can. If the likes of Hoedt, Lemina and so on were that bothered about their careers then they could easily get a move away by accepting they'd have to struggle through on £30k a week rather than £60k. So no i dont feel sorry for them as their earning far more than they are worth. 

You're probably right in that the vision they were promised hasn't worked out for them due to a succession of bad management appointments and tons of wasted money. The thing was Les Reed and co thought they'd found the magic touch with their room full of geeks measuring players running gait and so on, we could sign them for £10m- £15m each, let them show their brilliance and prove Reed a hero and sell them on for £70m. Sadly this genius plan was flawed in that a few of the players are utter bellends and a few of them just weren't very good, that's the problem when you base so much on computer data. 

I dont think we are in conflict with ourselves, we know what we are, a club that can finish midtable, top 6-8 with a fair wind, that develops young talent and that has to unearth gems and sell them on for a profit, nothing wrong with that at all, it's just that up until a couple of years ago the people executing our plan did a terrible job, yet also at the time some people insisted we were being really well run and that everything was great behind the scenes. 

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6 minutes ago, saint97 said:

Some rumours of West Ham looking into getting Vestergaard on loan.... can't see it happening and think he'll start this weekend. 

No point loaning when they are throwing £30m offers around for centre-backs.

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6 minutes ago, saint97 said:

Some rumours of West Ham looking into getting Vestergaard on loan.... can't see it happening and think he'll start this weekend. 

Would leave us pretty 'short' of options, unles RH has another CB lined up.

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I'd like to think that rather than being completely skint we're being sensible. Look at the money we've wasted. It's over £120m in recent seasons just in transfer fees on rubbish players. A club our size can't do that. 

So taking longer to assess players, loans before buying, it is the way forward even if annoying. Right now too many fans would get excited if we splashed £20m on some random player they hadn't heard of. It's always the answer. But in reality it's brought us Hoedt, Vestergaard, Lemina, Elyounoussi, Boufal, Clasie, Carrillo, Osvaldo, Gabbiadini. It's painful just writing all those names and I've probably forgotten a few. 

Even big spending Wolves have only spent what they've received in transfer fees for Costa, Jota, Doherty. Football could stop any moment, further suspensions are really likely so it's not easy to plan. Unfortunately the next year or two for many clubs will involve a lot more caution unless you have an insanely rich owner prepared to throw money at it, which 99% of clubs don't. 

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It would be nice but I know unrealistic if Saints signed or got in on loan;

Centre half who could lead/organise defence as Saints have been lacking this since 2017.

Central midfielder as Romeo will get suspended and Ward-Prowse can't play every game.

Wide/creative midfielder to replace the outgoing Boufal as Saints lack creativity in this area.

A decent keeper.

That's all

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33 minutes ago, adriansfc said:

I'd like to think that rather than being completely skint we're being sensible. Look at the money we've wasted. It's over £120m in recent seasons just in transfer fees on rubbish players. A club our size can't do that. 

So taking longer to assess players, loans before buying, it is the way forward even if annoying. Right now too many fans would get excited if we splashed £20m on some random player they hadn't heard of. It's always the answer. But in reality it's brought us Hoedt, Vestergaard, Lemina, Elyounoussi, Boufal, Clasie, Carrillo, Osvaldo, Gabbiadini. It's painful just writing all those names and I've probably forgotten a few. 

Even big spending Wolves have only spent what they've received in transfer fees for Costa, Jota, Doherty. Football could stop any moment, further suspensions are really likely so it's not easy to plan. Unfortunately the next year or two for many clubs will involve a lot more caution unless you have an insanely rich owner prepared to throw money at it, which 99% of clubs don't. 

Wouldn't say it was all that unfortunate, personally.

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I reckon Davies on loan for Everton 

Olivier Ntcham as the hoiberg replacement 

And a cheap winger for cover for Redmond and if Boufal leaves.

That's my prediction.... 

Should be looking at Chelsea I know wages would be a issue but 

Barkley, Hudson, Loftus 

One of them could give us an additional dynamic. 

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1 hour ago, the saint in winchester said:

In my widest dreams, I'm hoping it's Antonio Rudiger. Would cover at CB and at RB if KWP out.

Rudiger's been a shambles since a long term injury. Tomori would be a better loan. Right sided, pace to burn, would compliment Salisu and a high line perfectly.

I think he was name-checked on here at the start of last season as someone the club were looking at (in loan, before Danso happened).

He's supposedly available...

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11 minutes ago, pimpin4rizeal said:

Wouldn’t get carried away. The fact that he said ONE or two minimum means there’s a possibility it could only be one..

My feet are fully planted in cement.  No chance of me getting carried away :) 

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3 hours ago, Badger said:

Would leave us pretty 'short' of options, unles RH has another CB lined up.

Would it? It’d be the same as where we’re at now. 3 senior (calling them senior at a push) CB’s. 
 

yes, 2 are disgustingly average and 1 is completely unproven but that’s the Southampton way. 
 

we’ll bring in a CM without a doubt and most likely a winger, I can’t see anything more than that unfortunately. 
 

what is the limit for amount of players on loan in a match day squad? If money is that tight and we’re looking at a 1 x loan 1 x buy, I’d rather us loan a CM as I think you’ll get a better player which usually we couldn’t afford to buy and buy, with potential, on the wing. 

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