Summer Transfer Window 2021

[VectisSaint]

1 hour ago, Suhari said:

Has Walcott been officially announced?

A suggestion earlier in the thread that we're holding off on the new LB until our financial year ends. Maybe the same for youngsters and Theo?

Depends what you mean by "announced". It was announced on 18th May that Theo would sign a 2 year deal, but his contract with Everton runs until 30th June, so technically he has not signed yet.

[eelpie]

19 hours ago, woodsaint1 said:

Outside of our obvious need for two LBs and another RB, signing another striking option would be next on the list imo. Even if Ings stays for another year, he will get the inevitable niggling injuries which will take him out for 8-10 games a season. That leaves with just Adams as our only other striker who we could rely on for goals (although hes better for his support/hold up play). Not convinced with either Walcott or Redmond playing up top and I'm afraid that Long, N'Lundulu and Obafemi just arent good enough options for the PL at present (the latter two could do with a season loan to a Championship club).

From what I've seen of Armstrong, he looks to be of the Ings mould. Smart movement, good finisher and can create something out of nothing. He'll also be brimming with confidence with the season hes had. Also quite frankly we need to start exploring replacement options for Ings because if he doesnt go this summer, or January, he will definitely be gone next summer. Why not bring somebody in this window, at least we'll have 6-12 months to see if they can cut it before Ings does move on

Coming from a lower division, how do you think he compares with Che Adams who was scoring for fun with his former club, Birmingham?

[davefizzy14]

2 hours ago, Master Bates said:

If Koeman has the influence then yeah

Ok thanks for the info mate. What about forward options. I know you mentioned Elis, what about the Celtic striker? Possible swap with Moi? 

[SuperSAINT]

2 hours ago, Master Bates said:

Atm no

Master Bates is an ITK now?!

#ITK_Watch

[Ted Bates Statue]

20 hours ago, richardc said:

no way we could sign Adam Armstrong - that would be too confusing in naming our squad teams

Agreed, hopefully the club have learned from past mistakes such as the Wallace brothers or Michael and Anders Svensson.

[Convict Colony]

2 hours ago, eelpie said:

Coming from a lower division, how do you think he compares with Che Adams who was scoring for fun with his former club, Birmingham?

Che Adams had 14 total in goals and assists combined this year - Goals 1st column then Assists

All the below are below him and a lot cost fortunes

Wilfried Zaha	Crystal Palace	Ivory Coast	11	2	13
Gareth Bale	Tottenham Hotspur	Wales	11	2	13
Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang	Arsenal	Gabon	10	3	13
Gabriel Jesus	Manchester City	Brazil	10	3	13
Edinson Cavani	Manchester United	Uruguay	10	3	13
Harvey Barnes	Leicester City	England	9	4	13
Jesse Lingard	West Ham United	England	9	4	13
James Maddison	Leicester City	England	8	5	13
Jarrod Bowen	West Ham United	England	8	5	13
Bertrand Traoré	Aston Villa	Burkina Faso	7	6	13
Nicolas Pépé	Arsenal	Ivory Coast	10	1	11
Christian Benteke	Crystal Palace	Belgium	10	1	11
Tomáš Souček	West Ham United	Czech Republic	10	1	11
Mason Mount	Chelsea	England	6	5	11
Gylfi Sigurdsson	Everton	Iceland	6	5	11
Pedro Neto	Wolverhampton Wanderers	Portugal	5	6	11
Eberechi Eze	Crystal Palace	England	4	7	11
Pascal Groß	Brighton & Hove Albion	Germany	3	8	11
Anwar El Ghazi	Aston Villa	Netherlands	10	0	10
Neal Maupay	Brighton & Hove Albion	France	8	2	10
Stuart Dallas	Leeds United	Northern Ireland	8	2	10
Richarlison	Everton	Brazil	7	3	10
James Rodriguez	Everton	Colombia	6	4	10
Youri Tielemens	Leicester City	Belgium	6	4	10
Leandro Trossard	Brighton & Hove Albion	Belgium	5	5	10
Diogo Jota	Liverpool	Portugal	9	0	9
David McGoldrick	Sheffield United	Ireland	8	1	9
Rodrigo	Leeds United	Spain	7	2	9
Ferran Torres	Manchester City	Spain	7	2	9
Mason Greenwood	Manchester United	England	7	2	9
Pablo Fornals	West Ham United	Spain	5	4	9
Mateusz Klich	Leeds United	Poland	4	5	9
Stuart Armstrong	Southampton	Scotland	4	5	9
Trent Alexander-Arnold	Liverpool	England	2	7	9
Joe Willock	Newcastle United	England	8	0	8
Jorginho	Chelsea	Italy	7	1	8
Bukayo Saka	Arsenal	England	5	3	8
Ademola Lookman	Fulham	England	4	4	8
John McGinn	Aston Villa	Scotland	3	5	8
Ben Chilwell	Chelsea	England	3	5	8
Bernardo Silva	Manchester City	Portugal	2	6	8
Andrew Robertson	Liverpool	Scotland	1	7	8
Aaron Cresswell	West Ham United	England	0	8	8
Danny Welbeck	Brighton & Hove Albion	England	6	1	7
Tammy Abraham	Chelsea	England	6	1	7
Bobby De Cordova-Reid	Fulham	Jamaica	5	2	7
Kai Havertz	Chelsea	Germany	4	3	7
Anthony Martial	Manchester United	France	4	3	7
Fábio Silva	Wolverhampton Wanderers	Portugal	4	3	7
Allan Saint-Maximin	Newcastle United	France	3	4	7
Lucas Moura	Tottenham Hotspur	Brazil	3	4	7
Dwight McNeil	Burnley	England	2	5	7
Saïd Benrahma

[woodsaint1]

3 hours ago, eelpie said:

Coming from a lower division, how do you think he compares with Che Adams who was scoring for fun with his former club, Birmingham?

Last two seasons at Blackburn, Armstrong has 46 goals in 91 games - just over 0.50 goals per game

Che Adams had 31 goals in 81 games in his last two seasons at Brum - 0.38 goals per game

Obviously better goals output for Armstrong and surprisingly he also has more assists in the same period (12 compared to Adams 7). Although Che has improved considerably in his hold up/support play since stepping up to the PL.

If we can talk Blackburn down from their 15 million asking price to something around 10-12 million, it would be a steal. Considering we paid around 15 million for Che

[SuperSAINT]

3 minutes ago, woodsaint1 said:

Last two seasons at Blackburn, Armstrong has 46 goals in 91 games - just over 0.50 goals per game

Che Adams had 31 goals in 81 games in his last two seasons at Brum - 0.38 goals per game

Obviously better goals output for Armstrong and surprisingly he also has more assists in the same period (12 compared to Adams 7). Although Che has improved considerably in his hold up/support play since stepping up to the PL.

If we can talk Blackburn down from their 15 million asking price to something around 10-12 million, it would be a steal. Considering we paid around 15 million for Che

Venky's apparently asking for £25m.

[Cartman]

15 minutes ago, SuperSAINT said:

Venky's apparently asking for £25m.

He has a year left on his contract and is playing for a Championship club. They can ask for £25m all they want, they aren't getting it.

[Matthew Le God]

30 minutes ago, SuperSAINT said:

Venky's apparently asking for £25m.

Where have you seen that?

[SuperSAINT]

2 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

Where have you seen that?

Your mate Alan Nixon.

 

 

 

[SuperSAINT]

Brais Mendez.

https://insidefutbol.com/2021/06/15/norwich-city-and-southampton-amongst-admirers-of-celta-vigo-star/513317/

24 / Winger / Celta Vigo / Left-footed.

[saint1977]

2 hours ago, Cartman said:

He has a year left on his contract and is playing for a Championship club. They can ask for £25m all they want, they aren't getting it.

Makes him a more likely target for Saints IMO because Ings’s future won’t be decided early in the window and Norwich will move on if Venky’s are asking for too much £££. Blackburn can’t afford for him for go for nowt summer 2022 unless they risk a smaller fee in January or have made a storming start and look like promotion candidates. Less likely with a 2nd ACL for Dack. The price will soften and Saints will have a bit more of an idea as the summer goes on if the clubs Ings would prefer have secured their first choice targets. Eg is Armstrong an Ings replacement or have they shifted Lemina and others so they can afford a third striker if Ings stays + Adams. Obafemi could be part ex and very handy at that level. 

[Master Bates]

5 hours ago, SuperSAINT said:

Master Bates is an ITK now?!

#ITK_Watch

No I'm not

[Master Bates]

5 hours ago, davefizzy14 said:

Ok thanks for the info mate. What about forward options. I know you mentioned Elis, what about the Celtic striker? Possible swap with Moi? 

No idea mate

[tajjuk]

11 hours ago, woodsaint1 said:

Last two seasons at Blackburn, Armstrong has 46 goals in 91 games - just over 0.50 goals per game

Che Adams had 31 goals in 81 games in his last two seasons at Brum - 0.38 goals per game

Obviously better goals output for Armstrong and surprisingly he also has more assists in the same period (12 compared to Adams 7). Although Che has improved considerably in his hold up/support play since stepping up to the PL.

If we can talk Blackburn down from their 15 million asking price to something around 10-12 million, it would be a steal. Considering we paid around 15 million for Che

Just to caveat that a little, IIRC Armstrong takes pens for Blackburn and I don't think Che did for Brum. I'd also say they are different sorts of players, certainly Che seems to have had to evolve into a different sort of striker than the one he was at Brum, whereas Adams has a lot of pace and runs in behind probably more.  They'd probably be a decent combo.

Can't see us spending near £25 million on him unless Ings goes so if he's an additional striking option we'd have to get that price down. 

[Saint Garrett]

Thought we had a deflated market? £25m for a championship striker with 1 year on his contract? Madness. 

[lambtiss]

6 minutes ago, tajjuk said:

Can't see us spending near £25 million on him unless Ings goes so if he's an additional striking option we'd have to get that price down. 

I agree, I can only see us going for Armstrong as a replacement for Ings if we get an offer for him that we can't refuse. Other areas of the squad need addressing with more urgency.

[skintsaint]

6 minutes ago, Saint Garrett said:

Thought we had a deflated market? £25m for a championship striker with 1 year on his contract? Madness. 

He won't go for anywhere near that I'm sure. I reckon about half that amount if he does end up moving.

[TWar]

3 minutes ago, Saint Garrett said:

Thought we had a deflated market? £25m for a championship striker with 1 year on his contract? Madness. 

We allegedly initially put a £35m price tag on Hojbjerg (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-8404039/Southampton-place-35m-price-tag-captain-Pierre-Emile-Hojbjerg.html) and he went for £15m so I think it comes down a lot. I think you value them how you would if it weren't the last year and then it steadily drops as the summer goes on.

[The Curse of St Mary's]

6 minutes ago, TWar said:

We allegedly initially put a £35m price tag on Hojbjerg (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-8404039/Southampton-place-35m-price-tag-captain-Pierre-Emile-Hojbjerg.html) and he went for £15m so I think it comes down a lot. I think you value them how you would if it weren't the last year and then it steadily drops as the summer goes on.

Villa spending £33+ on that Norwich player who is unproven at PL level will certainly inflate the market. 

[TWar]

https://insidefutbol.com/2021/06/15/norwich-city-and-southampton-amongst-admirers-of-celta-vigo-star/513317/

Linked to a new attacking mid! This is reposting Tutto Mercato which apparently has dubious reliability so don't get your hopes up.

Anyway the player is Brais Mendez of Celta Vigo. He is 24 and has the following league stats.

2020/21: 9 goals 0 assists, 2678 minutes
2019/20: 0 goals 2 assists, 1470 minutes
2018/19: 6 goals 7 assists, 2395 minutes
2017/18: 1 goal 1 assist, 936 minutes

So a great season three years ago and a decent on last season but a pretty poor one between them. Looks good.

 

Edited 16 June, 2021 by TWar

[Charlie Wayman]

19 minutes ago, TWar said:

https://insidefutbol.com/2021/06/15/norwich-city-and-southampton-amongst-admirers-of-celta-vigo-star/513317/

Linked to a new attacking mid! This is reposting Tutto Mercato which apparently has dubious reliability so don't get your hopes up.

Anyway the player is Brais Mendez of Celta Vigo. He is 24 and has the following league stats.

2020/21: 9 goals 0 assists, 2678 minutes
2019/20: 0 goals 2 assists, 1470 minutes
2018/19: 6 goals 7 assists, 2395 minutes
2017/18: 1 goal 1 assist, 936 minutes

So a great season three years ago and a decent on last season but a pretty poor one between them. Looks good.

 

Oh dear! Haven't we been here before? 

[MarkSFC]

38 minutes ago, TWar said:

We allegedly initially put a £35m price tag on Hojbjerg (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-8404039/Southampton-place-35m-price-tag-captain-Pierre-Emile-Hojbjerg.html) and he went for £15m so I think it comes down a lot. I think you value them how you would if it weren't the last year and then it steadily drops as the summer goes on.

I've noticed papers will guess at prices and favour the clubs they feel.provides more readership for them, either way in the equation. So in that example it makes it look good for Spurs. 

Also the selling club will never advertise or hint at their real selling price, its all about negotiation. The Venkys (if true) are just playing the game correctly, put a price out there which isn't going to kill the interest whilst also knowing their acceptable price.

Actual prices are rarely what the papers say up front. 

[Millbrook Saint]

The Birmingham press are really pushing this Ward Prowse to Villa story, now saying the owners want him in before pre season.  Anyone know if there's any truth in this, are the club delaying as long as possible to get season tickets sold?

I personally think this would be disastrous for the club, I could understand if he went to a top 6 club, but not Villa, selling our captain to a team we consider to be our rivals would just show potential targets and the fans exactly how we view ourselves in the league

[Saint Garrett]

He won't go to Villa, I'm certain. (Not ITK)

[SKD]

59 minutes ago, The Curse of St Mary's said:

Villa spending £33+ on that Norwich player who is unproven at PL level will certainly inflate the market. 

Unproven? He was very good for Norwich the season they went down. I’m amazed he stayed if I’m honest. 

[Saint_clark]

1 hour ago, The Curse of St Mary's said:

Villa spending £33+ on that Norwich player who is unproven at PL level will certainly inflate the market. 

Unproven? He had the third highest amount of chances created last time he played in the Prem. Buendia is a superb player. 

[tajjuk]

54 minutes ago, Millbrook Saint said:

The Birmingham press are really pushing this Ward Prowse to Villa story, now saying the owners want him in before pre season.  Anyone know if there's any truth in this, are the club delaying as long as possible to get season tickets sold?

I personally think this would be disastrous for the club, I could understand if he went to a top 6 club, but not Villa, selling our captain to a team we consider to be our rivals would just show potential targets and the fans exactly how we view ourselves in the league

He signed a 5 year contract last summer and I doubt he would even want to move to Villa, it's a sideways move at best a minor move up just because they are spending a bit more than us, but likely Villa are going to lose their best player anyway and without him they were about as bad as we were in the second half of the season. 

So very unlikely he would agitate for that move and we have no reason to sell, so they would have to throw silly money at us I reckon, £60 million plus and even then I doubt whether he'd even go, why potentially tie yourself down to Villa for the next 2-3 years with mid table football and potentially miss out on a move to a bigger club? 

[Danbert]

We can cross Danny Rose off the list - he's joining Watford

[Billy the Kidd]

Thank god for that, no way we we have wanted Rose.

[Saint86]

15 hours ago, woodsaint1 said:

Last two seasons at Blackburn, Armstrong has 46 goals in 91 games. 

If we can talk Blackburn down from their 15 million asking price to something around 10-12 million, it would be a steal. Considering we paid around 15 million for Che

He'd be a steal at £15m and I'd bite their hand off for a player of his level for that much. Sod the contract situation.... If he is available for £15m we should just pay it and run before someone else comes in! There aren't many players like him in that price bracket, miss him and who else are we signing. 

Edited 16 June, 2021 by Saint86

[Millbrook Saint]

well according to Alan Nixon from the sun, we've been ruled out by the £25m price tag for Armstong

[ErwinK1961]

7 minutes ago, Millbrook Saint said:

well according to Alan Nixon from the sun, we've been ruled out by the £25m price tag for Armstong

No-one is paying that. If they do, then we can ask for £40m for Ings minimum

[Saint Garrett]

5 minutes ago, ErwinK1961 said:

No-one is paying that. If they do, then we can ask for £40m for Ings minimum

We’ll probably accept £20m

[ErwinK1961]

3 minutes ago, Saint Garrett said:

We’ll probably accept £20m

Imagine it will be the buying teams media saying £15m plus add-ons, Blackmore and Co saying £25m plus, truth probably somewhere in the middle.

These opposing figures will then be dragged out and used in arguments by the usual suspects on here to suit their particular agenda.

Rinse and repeat. 

[UpweySaint]

2 hours ago, ErwinK1961 said:

No-one is paying that. If they do, then we can ask for £40m for Ings minimum

Daily Mail had him as valued as £8 million. I expect the actual price anybody pays will be somewhere from £10 to £18 million with add ons and all that. Much like us with Ings they won't want to be mugged off but with a year left on his deal they are unlikely to be able to risk him leaving for free.

 

It's not a priority for us (if Ings stays) but if we weren't so hard up he'd be exactly the sort of signing I'd like to see us make.

[stknowle]

11 hours ago, The Curse of St Mary's said:

Villa spending £33+ on that Norwich player who is unproven at PL level will certainly inflate the market. 

Unproven? Are you insane? Have you not SEEN his stats?

[Lallana's Left Peg]

Brighton about to drop £25m on a striker while we're operating in and around the £7-10m mark 😬

 

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/jun/16/brighton-agree-record-25m-deal-to-sign-stuttgart-forward-nicolas-gonzalez-argentina?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

 

That is arguably a direct rival in the part of the table we operate in with about 4 times the spending power we have.  We're only heading in one direction unless we get an owner able to invest.

Edited 16 June, 2021 by Lallana's Left Peg

[Ex Lion Tamer]

2 minutes ago, Lallana's Left Peg said:

Brighton about to drop £25m on a striker while we're operating in and around the £7-10m mark 😬

 

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/jun/16/brighton-agree-record-25m-deal-to-sign-stuttgart-forward-nicolas-gonzalez-argentina?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

 

That is arguably a direct rival in the part of the table we operate in with about 4 times the spending power we have.  We're only heading in one direction unless we get an owner able to invest.

Who are they about to sell though? White, Lamptey and Bissouma all being linked with big money moves

[S-Clarke]

16 minutes ago, Ex Lion Tamer said:

Who are they about to sell though? White, Lamptey and Bissouma all being linked with big money moves

Exactly, a lot goes on in the background before it's even known.

Villa for e.g potentially throwing all this dollar around, I'm fairly sure that will be on the expectation that Grealish goes for mega-bucks. Of which there have probably been conversations already, so Villa are looking for similar players (of which Emile-Smith Rowe is one)

Same with Bissouma and White for Brighton, big bucks to be made there.

Unfortunately we don't have anyone - bar our captain - who can generate seriously big bucks for us to then go and invest heavily.

Edited 16 June, 2021 by S-Clarke

[Lallana's Left Peg]

Brighton have a net spend of £202m the past 5 years.  Their owner invests a lot.  They don't have to sell.  They will eventually get it right and head up the table.

[ErwinK1961]

4 minutes ago, Lallana's Left Peg said:

Brighton have a net spend of £202m the past 5 years.  Their owner invests a lot.  They don't have to sell.  They will eventually get it right and head up the table.

That genuinely staggered me - had to look it up. But guess that averages at 40m a season, so not crazy. They also had a very small net spend last year, so will be interesting to see if that continues in the current landscape.

Fair to say there’s quite a lot of wasted money in there. £202m to improve 0% is a lot of money.

 

 

[Puddings and Monkeys]

I wish we were West Ham, Everton, Villa, Wolves,  Brighton.

[John B]

I find this thread so dull and boring but I keep coming back to it in the vain hope that we will get in a decent player who will enhance the team immediately instead of some young player who may have the potential to develop not sure I can remember when I was excited by a player's arrival

[woodsaint1]

1 hour ago, Lallana's Left Peg said:

Brighton about to drop £25m on a striker while we're operating in and around the £7-10m mark 😬

 

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/jun/16/brighton-agree-record-25m-deal-to-sign-stuttgart-forward-nicolas-gonzalez-argentina?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

 

That is arguably a direct rival in the part of the table we operate in with about 4 times the spending power we have.  We're only heading in one direction unless we get an owner able to invest.

A very expensive south american. It certainly hasnt worked for us in the past. They will almost certainly be moving on Bissouma, and possibly also Lamptey

[John D]

2 hours ago, Lallana's Left Peg said:

Brighton have a net spend of £202m the past 5 years.  Their owner invests a lot.  They don't have to sell.  They will eventually get it right and head up the table.

Bloom has put £394m into Brighton over the last 10 years. £300m in loans and the rest as equity. 

I wonder if he is expecting those loans to be repaid?  

[Sheaf Saint]

2 hours ago, Puddings and Monkeys said:

I wish we were West Ham, Everton, Villa, Wolves,  Brighton.

You forgot Norwich.

[tajjuk]

10 hours ago, Lallana's Left Peg said:

Brighton about to drop £25m on a striker while we're operating in and around the £7-10m mark 😬

 

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/jun/16/brighton-agree-record-25m-deal-to-sign-stuttgart-forward-nicolas-gonzalez-argentina?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

 

That is arguably a direct rival in the part of the table we operate in with about 4 times the spending power we have.  We're only heading in one direction unless we get an owner able to invest.

 

£25 million for a player who has a career goal scoring record of 34 in 126 games, with 14 of those goals coming in the German 2nd division (which is less competitive than the Championship). 

He has 8 goals in 45 games in the Bundesliga, I know he's only 23 and is an Argentinian international, but that somewhat looks like a gamble to me. He wasn't even first choice for a mid table Stuttgart team last year, he only started 10 games.

I mean there are players like Kramaric, Kalajdzic, Weghorst, even maybe Andre Silva from the Bundesliga, who are all probably gettable by PL clubs, who scored way more than this guy.  It seems an odd one for a team crying out for a clinical finisher to spend probably a record fee on somewhat who has hardly been prolific in his career. 

Edited 17 June, 2021 by tajjuk

[Mr Saints]

8 hours ago, tajjuk said:

 

£25 million for a player who has a career goal scoring record of 34 in 126 games, with 14 of those goals coming in the German 2nd division (which is less competitive than the Championship). 

He has 8 goals in 45 games in the Bundesliga, I know he's only 23 and is an Argentinian international, but that somewhat looks like a gamble to me. He wasn't even first choice for a mid table Stuttgart team last year, he only started 10 games.

I mean there are players like Kramaric, Kalajdzic, Weghorst, even maybe Andre Silva from the Bundesliga, who are all probably gettable by PL clubs, who scored way more than this guy.  It seems an odd one for a team crying out for a clinical finisher to spend probably a record fee on somewhat who has hardly been prolific in his career. 

 

Agreed, big gamble.  Brighton do like the hipster signings though, most of which don't come off.