Saints 1-2 Newcastle- Match Thread

[TWar]

4 minutes ago, Dman said:

Not agree that Ings and arguable Watkins, are better than our front 2?

FWIW I think of the 4 (woods, Watkins, ings, Adams and Broja) the best 2 are Ings and Broja 

If you think Broja is better than Adams you must have watched like 3 games this season.

[nta786]

1 minute ago, obelisk said:

What is it about Saints coaching that seems to make players like Tino and Brojo to go backwards? Something of the raw talent we saw earlier looks to have gone missing and Saints look predictably worse as a result.

I don’t think they go backwards, but with enough time the opposition just work them out and it becomes predictable. 
Ultimately if these guys never made mistakes they’d be playing for a top 4 team.

Back to the drawing board though, for me season is make or break in the FA Cup anyway, if we can get some confidence back against Watford it would be great, crazy what 1 bad result does for us.

[Dman]

3 minutes ago, TWar said:

If you think Broja is better than Adams you must have watched like 3 games this season.

Let’s not start this again. Put the beers (or spreadsheet) down fella. 

Edited 10 March, 2022 by Dman

[obelisk]

1 minute ago, nta786 said:

crazy what 1 bad result does for us.

I make it two bad similar performances on the trot. Maybe the players started to believe the hype (it happens) so let's see what happens on Sunday. Another "on the beach" end of season won't go down well.

[Turkish]

4 minutes ago, Dman said:

Let’s not start this again. Put the beers (or spreadsheet) down fella. 

I actually think he’s on a wind up. No one can surely but as consistently clueless you be so pompous about it

[FarehamSaintJames]

Just got in, some thoughts:

- Absolutely baffled that there was more than half an hour added on. Shithousery at its best from Newcastle, going down off the ball, time wasting. I mean fucking hell Burnley are bad but this was something else.

- Kevin Friend was woeful, never known a ref so reluctant to use his cards. Everyone could see from Targett strolling to take the corner in the third minute this was going to be a long game.

- Neither team deserved to win. Although we arguably had better chances.

- Broja, Christ, just smash it first time man, wants too much time all the time, isn’t the calmest in front of goal.

- Subs too late to make any notable difference.

- Team sheet, the best it could’ve been unless arguably Perraud, who in the grand scheme of things should’ve played. It isn’t ideal KWP cutting inside constantly and then having to sprint back when the opposing wife players break.

- Forster, Bednarek - seemed to be a lot of backchat amongst them all today, from the first minute. 

Poor result and performance all round. Abysmal performance. Our attempted tika-taka football played right into Newcastle’s hands. We were embarrassing to watch tonight.

MUST WIN AGAINST WATFORD.

[saints1988]

Am I the only one that thought Bruno was terrible? 

[Jimmy_D]

Well we just lost to a shower of utterly rank s***e. How they got two attempts on goal, let alone scored twice, will remain one of life’s mysteries.

The refereeing was no better.

It’s a shame the bunch of corrupt cheating ****s look like they’re getting out of the relegation battle, it truly would have been a favour to football for them to have been flushed.

[Chez]

2 minutes ago, FarehamSaintJames said:

Abysmal performance.

Bollocks. We lost. We weren't god enough to break them down. We got done by two deep crosses. But `abysmal performance'? Nah.

[Suhari]

3 minutes ago, FarehamSaintJames said:

Just got in, some thoughts:

- Team sheet, the best it could’ve been unless arguably Perraud, who in the grand scheme of things should’ve played. It isn’t ideal KWP cutting inside constantly and then having to sprint back when the opposing wife players break.

I know it's a typo, but this has given me the biggest giggle in days.

[allsouthampton]

Goodness sake newcastle going down was something else

[JohnS]

So bloody frustrating & depressing - Newcastle were so poor and annoying with all the time wasting tactics.

We look so vulnerable & disorganised at defending corners - so lucky not to concede more.  Noticed this during our recent game with West Ham.

Too predictable in our build up play - getting it down the wings constantly - only for no penetrating end result - gets very boring.  Need to mix it up much more.

KWP & Armstrong both excellent - but only so much they can keep doing in their positive play

Che Adams does not seem to have enough intelligence in movement & position - really does not offer much for all the hard work done by other players and I think that this is very the build up play nearly always ends.  Personally think he needs dropping for a while.

Broja offers much more & is so much more positive (although he's not been himself over last few games)

Plenty of crosses coming in for the strikers & chances for a good goal poacher - but they never seem to be in the right place at the right time

A.Armstrong looked up for it when he came on - so would like to see him get more of chance on Sunday and wished that Ralph made his substitutions a little earlier tonight.

Disappointing evening - KWP my MOM

[Dr Who?]

53 minutes ago, Toadhall Saint said:

Don’t think I have been so pissed off about a result in a long time.

This, I am almost sulking. If we help Watford out of the bottom 3 on Sunday, all the toys will come out of the pram. 

Then we will beat City 😂 

[The Kraken]

13 minutes ago, Turkish said:

I actually think he’s on a wind up. No one can surely but as consistently clueless you be so pompous about it

Pompous is the right word. He’s clearly intelligent but has got the MLG tendency of being in absolute despair when wrong, and just acts like a stuck up know it all most of the time.

[Holmes_and_Watson]

The little box that pops up saying THE KRAKEN ...HAS REPLIED is possibly the most ominous one I've noticed. Other user names don't carry the same level of '50's sci-fi movie threat as that one.

[kevdoh]

Kwp is our best player. He's been quality at left back but he needs to be played in his strongest position. Perraud has been very good recently there's no reason to try and shoehorn livramento into the side. Our good form coincided with our left back and best right back playing in their proper positions. Don't even have to worry about tinos buy back clause now so play him when he deserves to not to butter him up

[Saint_clark]

Livramento is not affecting games enough to be starting . KWP and Perraud should be starting every game.

 

 

[CB Fry]

34 minutes ago, TWar said:

No, absolutely not, Ings has been wank most of the season as has Watkins. I think maybe Ings starts over Broja when fit, but only when fully fit which he rarely is.

Ings = wank

Watkins = wank

Chris Wood = amazing 

Clear.

[The Kraken]

5 minutes ago, Holmes_and_Watson said:

The little box that pops up saying THE KRAKEN ...HAS REPLIED is possibly the most ominous one I've noticed. Other user names don't carry the same level of '50's sci-fi movie threat as that one.

When it says ‘The Kraken has been released’ then you know you’re in trouble 😉

[Whitey Grandad]

I’ve seen some nasty teams over my time but they must be the shittiest, most despicable bunch of cheats I’ve ever had the misfortune to witness.

The referee seemed to be on their side too and I don’t say that very often

 

[Lighthouse]

17 minutes ago, Chez said:

Bollocks. We lost. We weren't god enough to break them down. We got done by two deep crosses. But `abysmal performance'? Nah.

This pretty much sums it up for me. Apart from five minutes around their second goal they were nothing special but we rarely troubled them either. I think we should have gone Perraud for Livramento second half and swapped KWP across. Moi was too narrow and slow, he didn’t really offer much and the strikers didn’t have much to go on. I really want a better CB than Bednarek too.

[Teddeer]

Can't work Newcastle out. They are not exactly a good footballing side but somehow have managed to win a load of games. Maybe their owners have reminded their players of the penalty for failure.

[Dman]

So is Eddie Howe just a fraud or is he just good at spending money now, which he wasn’t at bournemouth, which is why some on here claim him to be a failure despite gaining 3 promotions and keeping a tiny club in the PL for 4 seasons. 
 

 

[Dman]

1 minute ago, Teddeer said:

Can't work Newcastle out. They are not exactly a good footballing side but somehow have managed to win a load of games. Maybe their owners have reminded their players of the penalty for failure.

Or they have a manager who, despite what the spreadsheet experts suggest, is actually half decent. 

[CanadaSaint]

We really, really need a right-sided CB who's comfortable on the ball, because Bednarek certainly isn't. Every time he defaults to someone beside or behind him, so we seldom break out from the back on the right side. He's an okay defender but we won't see the best of this side with him in it. I think the origin of the Wood goal was a Bednarek giveaway on halfway, but he doesn't get the blame because it was thirty seconds or more before the ball hit our net.

The over-elaboration in the last twenty minutes was doing my head in. We were back to the side that's in love with its own style and tends to forget that the objective is to score. I really like how we play but we need to throw an early ball in there from time to time to keep the defence guessing. Otherwise it's too easy for them to sit back and let us fart about.

[HarvSFC]

Their two scorers cost £58m between them, that's it, that's the difference. We can't spend a total of £58m in a summer transfer window after selling Ings and Vestergaard for £45m.

KWP the best Saints player on the pitch by a country mile and he's playing out of position. Livramento's been showing his age since he got kicked to bits against Aston Villa at home in November. He isn't ready yet, Perraud's looking better on the left, play KWP in his natural position and Perraud in his position.

Too much sideways passing, playing the easy ball, not enough intensity and you aren't going to beat Dan Burn aerially.

[wadesmith]

COVID excuses to delay fixture..backed by Saudi Arabia money...if that’s football in 2022....YOUR WELCOME TO IT!!

Edited 10 March, 2022 by wadesmith

[macca155]

Just back, what a depressing game. I've no issue with Newcastle.  They played to their strengths which are limited but it was enough to see off Saints.

Both Howe and Gerrard have worked out a strategy to blunt our attack, and in defence ... well it is obvious to everyone. Has been for years. Pump the ball in to a big man. Chances are he'll score eventually. A replacement for Bendarek is required, and he needs to be a big bugger.

I thought Mo struggled tonight, and Broja's game has gone off the boil a bit. However he is being marked very closely. Has to learn to deal with that.

Funny how we see the game differently. I thought Adams played ok and really put himself about.

They defended deep, and there never seemed to be an outlet for our wide players.

Need to get our mo jo back on Sunday.

[Holmes_and_Watson]

3 minutes ago, macca155 said:

Funny how we see the game differently. I thought Adams played ok and really put himself about.

They defended deep, and there never seemed to be an outlet for our wide players.

I was hoping Djenepo would have been brought on early to perhaps offer a bit more from wide. Just to switch things up a bit. I thought he did okay from the little time he was on.

I thought Adams did okay too. An inch lower and he would have got a goal too.

[woodsaint1]

1 hour ago, TWar said:

I think you are very much underrating Trippier there. He is absolutely class.

And KWP is absolutely class too

[AndyRWatson]

After the half time “cats” medley for West Ham, the tunes today seemed to be money related !

🎶 can’t buy me love, price tag, loaded and money money money 🎶

what next for Watford ?

Edited 10 March, 2022 by AndyRWatson

[austsaint]

14 minutes ago, kevdoh said:

Kwp is our best player. He's been quality at left back but he needs to be played in his strongest position. Perraud has been very good recently there's no reason to try and shoehorn livramento into the side. Our good form coincided with our left back and best right back playing in their proper positions. Don't even have to worry about tinos buy back clause now so play him when he deserves to not to butter him up

This seems to be an inconvenient truth/observable fact for Ralph to accept.   While Tino is still playing ok - KWP is consistently our most creative attacking player as well as being sound defensively while Perraud has demonstrated he is right up to standard as a specialist LB.    This was such a frustrating game to watch - sure, that little bit of luck wasn't there, but for long periods we didn't match the press and energy of Newcastle.    Elyounoussi in particular was so wasteful with poor touch and passing.     Ward-Prowse for the second consecutive game lacked his usual energy and reverted to a safe, conservative style of passing - while Romeu often took on the responsibility of taking the game on and passing progressively.    I found his substitution baffling!    Shane Long?    There was more likelihood of Romeu creating or even scoring a goal than Long, despite the "hens teeth" goal v Everton - Ralph got that wrong in my view.

Armstrong, KWP and Romeu, along with Salisu, easily our best tonight.    It's a nightmare prospect.....Salisu being sold in the Summer!!!

[Holmes_and_Watson]

1 minute ago, AndyRWatson said:

After the half time “cats” medley for West Ham, the tunes today seemed to be money related !

🎶 can’t by me love, price tag, loaded and money money money 🎶

what next for Watford ?

Theme tune for the magic (manager) roundabout?

[teamsaint]

Can anybody give me a good reason why games can’t just be timed with the time the ball is in play, an hour or whatever, and get rid of time wasting at one simple  stroke ?
 

[The Kraken]

3 minutes ago, teamsaint said:

Can anybody give me a good reason why games can’t just be timed with the time the ball is in play, an hour or whatever, and get rid of time wasting at one simple  stroke ?
 

No.it’s definitely a decent solution. Also, take timekeeping out of the referee’s hands. No reason to keep it there other than ego and tradition. And while,I’m at it…..referees, just blow when time is up, not when a corner has been taken or an attacking move has completed or a goal kick is taken. It’s simple,m there should be a definite point when the ga e stops, refs are awful at only doing it when a move is completed.

I guess the fact is that the ball is only in play for roughly 60 minutes, and the other 30 minutes are just filler and time wasting, is too embarrassing for the authorities to handle. So there won’t be a change. 

Edited 10 March, 2022 by The Kraken

[woodsaint1]

15 minutes ago, CanadaSaint said:

We really, really need a right-sided CB who's comfortable on the ball, because Bednarek certainly isn't. Every time he defaults to someone beside or behind him, so we seldom break out from the back on the right side. He's an okay defender but we won't see the best of this side with him in it. I think the origin of the Wood goal was a Bednarek giveaway on halfway, but he doesn't get the blame because it was thirty seconds or more before the ball hit our net.

The over-elaboration in the last twenty minutes was doing my head in. We were back to the side that's in love with its own style and tends to forget that the objective is to score. I really like how we play but we need to throw an early ball in there from time to time to keep the defence guessing. Otherwise it's too easy for them to sit back and let us fart about.

Tbh Salisu wasnt much better tonight. Yes for Wood's goal there needed to be more pressure on Shelvey and it was a super ball, but Salisu was caught flat footed and allowed Wood to drift in behind him. Also gave a few silly passes away trying to play out from the back.

Obviously I'm biased and want him to stay here long term, but honestly think another few years at us would be best for Salisu's development. If he was to move to a bigger club this summer he may struggle with the bigger expectations as he still has quite a few flaws in his game (compared with the likes of VVD and Alderweireld who you just knew would cope with the demands easily). But you just know his agent will be pushing for the move while his stock is high

[SaveloyMush]

26 minutes ago, wadesmith said:

COVID excuses to delay fixture..backed by Saudi Arabia money...if that’s football in 2022....YOUR WELCOME TO IT!!

If you are going to scweam and  scweam until you are sick, at least get your grammar correct.

[rallyboy]

The main positive I took from tonight was that Newcastle's destined journey to the summit of European football is going to take about 200 years on that showing.

For the money spent, they are all over the show. 

And it was funny to see Shelvey's grandad have a run out too, bless him.

 

[TWar]

37 minutes ago, Dman said:

So is Eddie Howe just a fraud or is he just good at spending money now, which he wasn’t at bournemouth, which is why some on here claim him to be a failure despite gaining 3 promotions and keeping a tiny club in the PL for 4 seasons. 
 

 

You don't need to be good at spending money if you spend the most money in europe. Any mildly competent spending will lead to massive improvement. Also Howe isn't in charge of transfers.

[kevdoh]

16 minutes ago, austsaint said:

This seems to be an inconvenient truth/observable fact for Ralph to accept.   While Tino is still playing ok - KWP is consistently our most creative attacking player as well as being sound defensively while Perraud has demonstrated he is right up to standard as a specialist LB.    This was such a frustrating game to watch - sure, that little bit of luck wasn't there, but for long periods we didn't match the press and energy of Newcastle.    Elyounoussi in particular was so wasteful with poor touch and passing.     Ward-Prowse for the second consecutive game lacked his usual energy and reverted to a safe, conservative style of passing - while Romeu often took on the responsibility of taking the game on and passing progressively.    I found his substitution baffling!    Shane Long?    There was more likelihood of Romeu creating or even scoring a goal than Long, despite the "hens teeth" goal v Everton - Ralph got that wrong in my view.

Armstrong, KWP and Romeu, along with Salisu, easily our best tonight.    It's a nightmare prospect.....Salisu being sold in the Summer!!

Elyonoussi has had some good games but they have all been with perraud. They were getting a good partnership going. We seemed to have an understanding and most of our good play was coming down both flanks where kwp/Armstrong and perraud/moi knew exactly where the other was and it was flowing. Perraud missed a game after being brilliant and seems Ralph saw that opportunity to get tino back in. Bizarre decision

[Roo1976]

1 hour ago, The Cat said:

Disappointing we didn't make more of our possession and work the keeper. Some of our play was a bit predicable and it wasn't until Armstrong and Djenepo came in that we offered something different.

Personally I thought Newcastle were crap. Scored 2 quite predicable and preventable goals. We needed more pressure on the cross for the first one and were undone by an obvious trick against our zonal marking for the second.

Fuck me, their fans are utter arrogant pricks. Singing about winning the league and getting to Europe. I hope it all goes horribly wrong for them.

Not going to though is it unless Sandcastle Arabia have the country's assets frozen....................!

[SaveloyMush]

8 minutes ago, kevdoh said:

Elyonoussi has had some good games but they have all been with perraud. They were getting a good partnership going. We seemed to have an understanding and most of our good play was coming down both flanks where kwp/Armstrong and perraud/moi knew exactly where the other was and it was flowing. Perraud missed a game after being brilliant and seems Ralph saw that opportunity to get tino back in. Bizarre decision

Contractual?

[wadesmith]

21 minutes ago, SaveloyMush said:

If you are going to scweam and  scweam until you are sick, at least get your grammar correct.

You’ve spelt scream wrong you helmet.

[beatlesaint]

I thought KWP was hands down our best player, especially first half, he had their No.17 in his pocket.

Secind half we struggled, there seemed to always be one too many passes, nobody really wanted to take responsibility.

Their goals were poor ones but they took them, we didn’t so they won, simple as that.

I do hate Eddie smug bastard Howe.

[kevdoh]

10 minutes ago, SaveloyMush said:

Contractual?

Wouldn't have thought so but maybe a verbal agreement to get him to sign. Don't get me wrong tino is quality and will get better and better but even when he was having his best games at start of season nobody wanted kwp on the bench. He was our best player last season and to drop him was crazy. He was shoehorned in at left back and wasn't great now he's got used to it he's our best player even there. But you have to play your best players in their best positions. Perraud after a shaky start has been decent. It's clear he's our best lb and kwp RB. Tinos a good option to have but that's it at the moment. Same as broja, will be a quality player but anyone thinking he will get anywhere near Chelsea's team is way off. Has a lot of bad games which doesn't automatically mean he doesn't start for us but a too 4 club can't accommodate him at the moment

[woodsaint1]

12 minutes ago, beatlesaint said:

I thought KWP was hands down our best player, especially first half, he had their No.17 in his pocket.

Secind half we struggled, there seemed to always be one too many passes, nobody really wanted to take responsibility.

Their goals were poor ones but they took them, we didn’t so they won, simple as that.

I do hate Eddie smug bastard Howe.

Its ok, Edward will be out of a job in 12-18 months when progression under him stalls and isnt matching the expectations of the owners, particularly after throwing aload of cash around in the next few windows

[John Boy Saint]

From my seat I didn’t think Newcastle were anything special - what grates is they can rattle off a 9 game unbeaten run - we seem to about hit a milestone run and you can almost put your house on the next Saints result. 
I said to Mrs JBS during the match that we seem to have turned the clock back to our autumn performances - all huff and very little puff. Obviously Newcastle set up to be stubborn but we just had no pace in the play and recent vision seemed to have gone out the window

- Livramento could have brought his colouring book and crayons finished most of it by full time the amount of time he spent waiting for the ball to be passed in his direction. I know we have the legendary play book, but when we decided kick a goal kick long Tino is standing with acres of Hampshire in front of him to run into, let’s play tombola with where the ball lands, instead of rifling it out infront of Tino to collect and pretty much go a long way towards the oppos goal by surprise.

Anyone dares to raise the issue of our 60 minute tea break again they should be pointing at Newcastle gamesmanship “lay on the pitch to break the flow” whenever it gets a bit too hot. 
Kevin Friend didn’t let us down either, he comes pretty close to being as dog shit for us as Mike ‘look at me’ Dean, he certainly had a pocket stuffed full of receipts from all the Geordie crap he bought, his performance almost leaned towards what space was left in his pockets was taken up with a wedge of Riyals……………………that said he was so crap he didn’t book Salisu for a clumsy challenge.

But hey we all know the drill at Saints - frustration is always nearby waiting to jump out exclaiming “Taaa-daaaa”!

[Stud mark of doom]

1 hour ago, AndyRWatson said:

After the half time “cats” medley for West Ham, the tunes today seemed to be money related !

🎶 can’t buy me love, price tag, loaded and money money money 🎶

what next for Watford ?

Don’t forget “Dirty Cash (Money Talks)” blaring out at the teams left the field for half time. Very appropriate. 
 

incredible work by the half time DJ. 

[Saint Fan CaM]

Poor game plan…tippy tappy pass it backwards slow boring football. At 75 minutes you could be forgiven for thinking we were 3-0 up rather than losing the game. Where was the strategy to try and turn their 6’7” slow CB? KWP the only player who took the game on for us.

Poor choices for full-back…Moi works better with Perraud behind him. Tino is not all that lately.

JWP once again flatters to deceive at corners…nothing EVER comes of them. And he’s not got a forward pass in his locker.

Eddie is doing a good job…Newcastle are fighting for him.

[Saint Keef]

I remember either last season or the season before, Bournemouth used the same shithousery tactics at St Mary's to break up the flow of the game, a player falling down every 5-10 minutes.  Obviously it's now being taught at Newcastle by.....um.....Oh, the same Eddie Howe. 

A few points (apologies if they are mentioned in posts further back in the thread)

For me KWP was the best player on the pitch.

I felt Broja had a very poor game. Adam Armstrong did more in 18 minutes than Broja did in 72 minutes.  We actually looked our most dangerous when he came on......and I appreciate he get's a lot of stick on here. Hindsight is easy, but in retrospect I would have brought him on for the second half as it was clear it wasn't happening for Broja at all. (I'm not slagging off Broja by the way - he has been great for us, but tonight his head didn't seem to be in it. I wonder if the situation at his parent club may have had something to do with it. When all said and done he's still a young kid).

Moi got into some really good positions, but seemed scared to shoot.

Stu worked his socks off but didn't seem to get the rub of the green in the first half. Little flicks and passes weren't quite working, although I felt he was more effective in the second half.

Che never gave up, worked his socks off, won a few flick on headers but Broja didn't seem to be alert to them. If Che's superb first half shot had gone in instead of rattling the bar it would have been a whole different game - fine margins!

I thought Salisu looked a bit rusty particularly first half. Poor marking for both their goals.

All in all, the feeling I got was - we were never quite "at it" tonight.

Changing the subject - it took 3 and a half hours to get there from Newbury due to a lorry fire on the A34 - which meant a bit of "creative parking" when I eventually arrived 10 minutes before kick off. I should have known then, what sort of night it was going to be. I spoke to fans afterward who didn't get there until just before half-time.

And on leaving the ground - whoever took the decision to close the M27 junction 8-7 for roadworks on a match night. Thanks very much..................... you utter tosser!