Ralph Hasenhuttl

[aintforever]

2 hours ago, saintadjg said:

But what constitutes success? A decent cup run? Avoiding relegation or being in a relegation battle? 

Or we talking qualifying for Europe, maybe winning a cup whilst all the above?

I would say not being in a relegation battle would be a decent season.

[Saint Fan CaM]

32 minutes ago, aintforever said:

I would say not being in a relegation battle would be a decent season.

Absolutely this. My take is we’ve got a better squad than Ralph’s results indicate. He’s just not getting the best from them.

[Bad Wolf]

5 minutes ago, Saint Fan CaM said:

Absolutely this. My take is we’ve got a better squad than Ralph’s results indicate. He’s just not getting the best from them.

That may be true at this moment but last season we had the squad our league position indicated IMO. Had we gone down, who would PL teams have come in for? JWP and KWP that's it.

[Pilchards]

Hasenhuttl on Sékou Mara: “He has some qualities on the ball but it’s not enough, he must work hard for the team and then we will see.”

Throwing another one under the bus I see. When is he going to admit that it’s just 2 wins in 20 matches and he keeps fucking up the formation and team.

 

Edited 30 July, 2022 by Pilchards

[cloggy saint]

Hardly 'throwing him under the bus', just a bit of a wake-up call, no harm in that.

[Diabolus Ex Machina]

2 hours ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Top 10 is would be a decent season, 8th exceptional. Cup is more of a grey area being a bit of a lottery. Semi final could be considered successful, but if you get there and play like a drain it’s pretty fucking woeful. Under Hughes and Teflon we basically flushed our chances down the toilet. 

Think top 10 is a bit unrealistic with our current squad tbh unless a lot of teams under perform. Think we're more likely to see a gradual improvement than a big jump in results but i'd just like to see us heading back in the right direction. Mid/High 40's or more for points, try to get under 16 losses and less than 60 goals conceded, reduce points lost from winning positions and when we do go on a poor run show the ability and mentality to break the streak earlier. Basically just have a solid, consistent season we can use to build upon in the future. A deep cup run or two on top of that and i'd call it a reasonable success.

[Ted Bates Statue]

20 hours ago, Pilchards said:

Hasenhuttl on Sékou Mara: “He has some qualities on the ball but it’s not enough, he must work hard for the team and then we will see.”

Throwing another one under the bus I see. When is he going to admit that it’s just 2 wins in 20 matches and he keeps fucking up the formation and team.

 

You're the one who said Mara was crap the second he was linked with us so, like Hasenhuttl, you obviously don't consider him to be the complete article. It's one thing to not expect signings to hit the ground running (especially the younger ones), but what the hell are your expectations for him then?

[Pilchards]

34 minutes ago, Ted Bates Statue said:

You're the one who said Mara was crap the second he was linked with us so, like Hasenhuttl, you obviously don't consider him to be the complete article. It's one thing to not expect signings to hit the ground running (especially the younger ones), but what the hell are your expectations for him then?

Never said he was crap but he’s certainly not what we need to score goals in this league.

One for the future personally and I just hope we sell A Armstrong and buy an experienced striker to play with Adams.

[Matthew Le God]

3 hours ago, Pilchards said:

He’s certainly not what we need to score goals in this league.

Have you made that judgement based on 45 minutes of a friendly vs last seasons Champions League semi finalists after Mara had only a couple of training sessions with his new teammates? 🤔 

Edited 31 July, 2022 by Matthew Le God

[saintadjg]

1 hour ago, Pilchards said:

Never said he was crap but he’s certainly not what we need to score goals in this league.

One for the future personally and I just hope we sell A Armstrong and buy an experienced striker to play with Adams.

Who are you hoping we buy, anyone in particular? 

[Ted Bates Statue]

3 hours ago, Pilchards said:

Never said he was crap but he’s certainly not what we need to score goals in this league.

One for the future personally and I just hope we sell A Armstrong and buy an experienced striker to play with Adams.

Fair enough. Not to get all MLG on you but you said something along the lines of 'no better than the crap we have here already'. I might have got it wrong, but thought you watch a fair bit of French football and might have seen him in action.

Appreciate the elaboration and agree with you for the most part (but I think - well, hope - that AA will come good with us).

[MAY-Z]

3 hours ago, Ted Bates Statue said:

Fair enough. Not to get all MLG on you but you said something along the lines of 'no better than the crap we have here already'. I might have got it wrong, but thought you watch a fair bit of French football and might have seen him in action.

Appreciate the elaboration and agree with you for the most part (but I think - well, hope - that AA will come good with us).

For me the interesting thing is;  compare Ralph’s comments re Mara after a poorish half with Pep‘s comments re Haaland after a very poor full game. I know which manager is displaying more faith in their player publicly 

[Ex Lion Tamer]

4 hours ago, MAY-Z said:

For me the interesting thing is;  compare Ralph’s comments re Mara after a poorish half with Pep‘s comments re Haaland after a very poor full game. I know which manager is displaying more faith in their player publicly 

There's a difference though between supporting a player who just missed a few chances and one whose off the ball effort was simply not up to scratch

[Saint_clark]

On 30/07/2022 at 18:22, Diabolus Ex Machina said:

Think top 10 is a bit unrealistic with our current squad tbh unless a lot of teams under perform. Think we're more likely to see a gradual improvement than a big jump in results but i'd just like to see us heading back in the right direction. Mid/High 40's or more for points, try to get under 16 losses and less than 60 goals conceded, reduce points lost from winning positions and when we do go on a poor run show the ability and mentality to break the streak earlier. Basically just have a solid, consistent season we can use to build upon in the future. A deep cup run or two on top of that and i'd call it a reasonable success.

10th-15th would represent decent progress this season.

[Chez]

On 30/07/2022 at 17:50, Pilchards said:

Hasenhuttl on Sékou Mara: “He has some qualities on the ball but it’s not enough, he must work hard for the team and then we will see.”

Throwing another one under the bus I see. When is he going to admit that it’s just 2 wins in 20 matches and he keeps fucking up the formation and team.

 

The comments sound like they are about a player he hasn't seen before.

[Nolan]

7 minutes ago, Chez said:

The comments sound like they are about a player he hasn't seen before.

His comments sound like they are about a player who has come from a foreign league, has had only a couple of days  training since his work permit came in and has to adapt to a teams style of play, on and off the ball.  

[skintsaint]

5 minutes ago, Nolan said:

has to adapt to a teams style of play

3 years and I'm still trying to adapt to this.

[Pilchards]

10 minutes ago, Nolan said:

His comments sound like they are about a player who has come from a foreign league, has had only a couple of days  training since his work permit came in and has to adapt to a teams style of play, on and off the ball.  

His comments should of been privately to the player not to the public.

If he’s not adapted to our style then he shouldn’t have played. (Salisu- springs to mind) How do you think Adams and Armstrong will feel when a raw kid is thrown in the deep end instead of giving them a start.

Edited 1 August, 2022 by Pilchards

[Nolan]

1 minute ago, Pilchards said:

His comments should of been privately to the player not to the public.

If he’s not adapted to our style then he shouldn’t have played. (Salisu- springs to mind) How do you think Adams and Armstrong will fill when a raw kid is thrown in the deep end instead of giving them a start.

I don't understand how anyone thinks there was anything bad about his comments.

 

[Dman]

7 minutes ago, Pilchards said:

His comments should of been privately to the player not to the public.

If he’s not adapted to our style then he shouldn’t have played. (Salisu- springs to mind) How do you think Adams and Armstrong will feel when a raw kid is thrown in the deep end instead of giving them a start.

Aye? It was a pre-season friendly, Hardly ‘thrown in at the deep end’. These games are Literally used to get players accustomed to styles of play etc. 
 

I very much doubt he’ll start agains Tottenham. 

[Chez]

4 hours ago, Nolan said:

I don't understand how anyone thinks there was anything bad about his comments.

Not exactly a ringing endorsement from you manager after your first appearance.

As you say, he has only just got here and needs time to adapt. Why then flag up his lack of work rate to the press?

I guess no one is going to ask why he hasn't started on Saturday now, but was there actually going to be any great pressure from press/fans for him to be thrust straight in? 

No biggie. I'm sure if you spoke with Ralph for an extended period he'd be much more positive, but a single line reply can sometimes come off a little negative, as this one does.

Edited 1 August, 2022 by Chez

[Saint Garrett]

On 30/07/2022 at 16:59, Lord Duckhunter said:

Top 10 is would be a decent season, 8th exceptional. Cup is more of a grey area being a bit of a lottery. Semi final could be considered successful, but if you get there and play like a drain it’s pretty fucking woeful. Under Hughes and Teflon we basically flushed our chances down the toilet. 

I think you’re setting your sights far too high. We shouldn't finish above the “big 6”, we probably aren’t going to finish above Newcastle, West Ham, Leicester. Top 10 would be an outstanding season. 

[Manuel]

7 hours ago, Nolan said:

I don't understand how anyone thinks there was anything bad about his comments.

 

To me it sounds like Ralph wants him to work harder.  Thinks he's lazy or needs a change of attitude.  He did similar with Obafemi. 

"...he must work hard for the team and then we will see"

[Convict Colony]

55 minutes ago, Manuel said:

To me it sounds like Ralph wants him to work harder.  Thinks he's lazy or needs a change of attitude.  He did similar with Obafemi. 

"...he must work hard for the team and then we will see"

Pretty sure I saw in a scouting report on the athletic that Mara is a forward who presses well from the front so it's probably just figuring out the playing style so he can press effectively which will take some weeks.

I expect him to be on the bench for most of August to be honest.

Edited 1 August, 2022 by Convict Colony

[Mr X]

5 hours ago, Saint Garrett said:

I think you’re setting your sights far too high. We shouldn't finish above the “big 6”, we probably aren’t going to finish above Newcastle, West Ham, Leicester. Top 10 would be an outstanding season. 

I think 12th would be decent & show we are heading in the right direction any less then it's not really progress with the resources available, Ralph should be able to achieve 12th or better with our current squad imo.  However I don't think he will shake off the crashing inconsistencies ie we will no doubt go on a run of five or six wins followed by 15 losses in a row 

[AlexLaw76]

All pre-season.  Early signings and look at the state of the team

He will likely be gone by xmas.

[Pilchards]

5 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

All pre-season.  Early signings and look at the state of the team

He will likely be gone by xmas.

Getting closer to the Luton manager coming in.

[SaintsLoyal]

Just cant organise the team with a formation and the basics in football, a dead man walking since United 9-0 and clearly should have been sacked for the garbage on the last 10 games least season.

[RedArmy]

32 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

All pre-season.  Early signings and look at the state of the team

He will likely be gone by xmas.

If he’s still here at Xmas we will be fucked 

[bpsaint]

Same shit different season. Ralph out.

[Delmary]

Poch please. Unlikely though.

[Baird of the land]

It's got the point where i'm just perplexed by his thinking.

 

[qwertyell]

The "give him 10 games of the season before judging him" brigade are off to a bad start.

9 games of this shite left.

[Saint_lambden]

We can't even lose properly under him. With money spent and a new coaching staff, there's nowhere else to turn now. Be amazed if he lasts the international break, if the owners have anything about them. 

[saint1977]

Just concentrate on The Hundred if you are a cricket fan and enjoy a few nice days out which don’t involve Premier League football. By all means watch some local football in non league.

Dont give Ralph any more encouragement. Total charlatan, today was a 7th choice ex-full back not good enough for Birmingham, a striker who can’t hold the ball up and a CB who clearly can’t stand being at SFC. Second half there was no focal point at all. 

It would take SR sacking him this weekend to cause me to take any interest in this season at all. Five years of Pellegrino, Hughes and this twat. Ralph is making a great effort to topple Branfoot (yes, I lived through that time) as the worst ever manager. Needs a Benitez figure to instil some organisation and football expertise into the squad and help the new owners.

 

[revolution saint]

Have backed Ralph until this pre-season but just can't do it anymore.  He doesn't get many excuses now - these are his mistakes and I'll be surprised if he's here very much longer.

[RedArmy]

12 minutes ago, Delmary said:

Poch please. Unlikely though.

Somehow I don’t think he’d be very interested in going from coaching Messi, Mbappe and Neymar to coaching AA, Adams and Aribo. 

[Saint_lambden]

Dyche won't get many shouts because of style, but we'd at least be tougher to beat if he came in and may well be the most realistic contender. 

[The Kraken]

3 minutes ago, Saint_lambden said:

Dyche won't get many shouts because of style, but we'd at least be tougher to beat if he came in and may well be the most realistic contender. 

To be honest I reckon he’d be an unrealistic contender. I think he could be good for us but I don’t see him as a ‘fit’ with what SR are trying to do. If Ralph goes I reckon our new manager will be a relative unknown and/or someone who doesn’t have too much of a managerial CV if at all.

[Turkish]

Just now, The Kraken said:

To be honest I reckon he’d be an unrealistic contender. I think he could be good for us but I don’t see him as a ‘fit’ with what SR are trying to do. If Ralph goes I reckon our new manager will be a relative unknown and/or someone who doesn’t have too much of a managerial CV if at all.

It’s when not if IMO. I can’t see him staying now. Same old shit today. Same mistakes, same weird line up. Same conceding pathetic goals. No issue losing way to spurs but yet again it’s the same reasons why. So easy to score against regardless of the players. It’s piss poor. I was never quite sure if we were a good team playing badly or a bad team playing well under Ralph. The reality is in 3 years he’s had two 12 game streaks of good form, for the rest of the time we’ve been crap. 

[stknowle]

3 minutes ago, Turkish said:

It’s when not if IMO. I can’t see him staying now. Same old shit today. Same mistakes, same weird line up. Same conceding pathetic goals. No issue losing way to spurs but yet again it’s the same reasons why. So easy to score against regardless of the players. It’s piss poor. I was never quite sure if we were a good team playing badly or a bad team playing well under Ralph. The reality is in 3 years he’s had two 12 game streaks of good form, for the rest of the time we’ve been crap. 

The last time we played really well was at WHL last season, and we were superb that day. Since then virtually half a season ago 3 league wins, 2 in the following 2 at home against crap oppo  and 1 more freak result where we got battered but somehow fluked a win in the middle of a procession of dross.

So back then he had the plausible excuses of a/players worn out by high press tactics relaxed and took foot off gas and b/ he was hamstrung by our finances, had to sell to buy, doing a great job given that. Those excuses are gone now, and we look a million miles off the team that won that day. I genuinely struggle to understand how we could go from being so good to being so utterly shit, but he has to carry the can for it, and I simply do not see him turning it around.

[The Cat]

37 minutes ago, saint1977 said:

Just concentrate on The Hundred if you are a cricket fan and enjoy a few nice days out which don’t involve Premier League football. By all means watch some local football in non league.

 

I like cricket, but seriously fuck the hundred. It's just a horrible competition hyped up by Sky when we already have a perfectly good short form version of the game.

I'm all for watching non-legue football though.

[OttawaSaint]

Needs to be gone tonight.

Clueless tactically, stubborn, terrible man management, talks dogshit after a defeat, utter waistcoated cunt. Fuck off you useless twat!

Should have been binned off by now. He's killing us with is sabotage of the club.

His treatment of Adams alone is abhorrent.

Go, now!

Edited 6 August, 2022 by OttawaSaint

[Lighthouse]

38 minutes ago, Saint_lambden said:

Dyche won't get many shouts because of style, but we'd at least be tougher to beat if he came in and may well be the most realistic contender. 

His style being to get sacked 15 points behind Ralph, with a team of players arguably better than what we’ve currently got, half of which (Pope, Mee, Tarkowski, McNeil, Cornet) people on here were suggesting we sign when they sent down.

[Wade Garrett]

Fuck off Ralph, you are shite.

[saintant]

Can anyone make a reasoned, sensible case supporting how Ralph will change things selection-wise and tactically to turn his shambles into something remotely resembling a team worthy of performing in the Premier league?

[OttawaSaint]

2 minutes ago, saintant said:

Can anyone make a reasoned, sensible case supporting how Ralph will change things selection-wise and tactically to turn his shambles into something remotely resembling a team worthy of performing in the Premier league?

I'm sure someone will have a good go but let's face it, they'd be talking shite!

[Appy]

He blames the defence today, the defence he picked, the two useless players (Djenepo and Valery) in key positions. 
 

The man is on borrowed time 

Edited 6 August, 2022 by Appy

[saintbenny]

Absolutely nothing has changed since last season. We could sign Ronaldo, Pele and Maradona And Ralph would suck the absolute life out of them. Yes we all know that we don’t have the best players in the world but I’m convinced they are a lot worse due to Ralph.

We just look shot of confidence all over the park. Each players First instinct when they get the ball is the turn backwards or pass sideways, it’s like it’s drilled into them to try and keep the ball at all costs. We go nowhere, look toothless and it’s frustrating to watch. I think at least two of the goals today were conceded because we were trying to be too clever with the ball instead of just passing it forward and trying to create a chance, it’s horrible to watch. 
 

No way Ralph should have been given pre season and I hope SR pull the plug on him sooner rather than later and by sooner I mean tonight. 

[Fan The Flames]

3 minutes ago, saintbenny said:

Absolutely nothing has changed since last season. We could sign Ronaldo, Pele and Maradona And Ralph would suck the absolute life out of them. Yes we all know that we don’t have the best players in the world but I’m convinced they are a lot worse due to Ralph.

We just look shot of confidence all over the park. Each players First instinct when they get the ball is the turn backwards or pass sideways, it’s like it’s drilled into them to try and keep the ball at all costs. We go nowhere, look toothless and it’s frustrating to watch. I think at least two of the goals today were conceded because we were trying to be too clever with the ball instead of just passing it forward and trying to create a chance, it’s horrible to watch. 
 

No way Ralph should have been given pre season and I hope SR pull the plug on him sooner rather than later and by sooner I mean tonight. 

They can't be too cautious and trying to be too clever at the same time.